Kashmir | News & Discussions.

[FreekiN]

Trash Argument, I personally visited Kashmir 10 times before 1989, so did million other Indians, since there was no problem with inception and it only started after 1989, I am of opinion that it was created from outside. Pakistan has problem is SWAT and FATA etc was this there originally? So in same way problem can be created.

You think you are the only one who uses personal experiences to gain judgement? A third of my family was cut off during the partition(mothers side). They lived in Srinagar and at that time it seemed inevitable that Kashmir was going to Pakistan until the war started. Those who wanted to go to Pakistan during the war were killed by Indian soldiers and they were stuck. Those who attempted to leave, also killed. Two of my maternal grandfathers brothers died and a sister two. One of the brothers lived of course, thats how we found out what happened until around 40 or so years later, a little before my birthday a call came, it was my maternal grandpa's brother. He told us everything that happened, who was killed, how the Indians lie, etc. We still have contact with him and his family but only through the internet but hes pretty old now. Of course i didnt even exist when the call came.

Common people are fools they hardly use brains and most does not have access to all information, so feed them wrong info and they can start hating you. The classic example of this was Sopain killings last years 2 virgins got drowned and 1 doctor deliberately declared it rape. Now it does not take much to think that someone if after creating anti sentiments. Mobs are deliberately made violent with some paid anti social elements playing lead role and then security forces are left with no choice but fire in defense and some people with prejudice will say Army is rude.

Or intentionally feed propaganda into their heads, or cut off a side of the truth, and show it partly, and then they find out what really happened, the outcome isn't very different, eh?

I read the bold part 5 times, dude that is certainly not something other Pakistani's are saying, you want names (Think Tank etc)? Only person who say's this is Muradk.

"Dr Bradnock said that in the Kashmir valley - the mainly Muslim area at the centre of the insurgency - support for independence is between 74% and 95%.

But in the predominantly Hindu Jammu division to the south, support is under 1%.Dr Bradnock said that in the Kashmir valley - the mainly Muslim area at the centre of the insurgency - support for independence is between 74% and 95%.

But in the predominantly Hindu Jammu division to the south, support is under 1%."

BBC News - 'First' Kashmir survey produces 'startling' results

Highly debatable, Kashmir is not just valley ok. The entire Jammu and Ladhak almost 40% of population is pro India you call that minority?

When 43% of the IoK population is worried about human rights abuses, it's not a minority, but it's still one of the three. We never see any pro-India riots in Pakistan Kashmir now do we?

What I am saying is that problem of Kashmir is exaggerated. Good number of people are fine with India if we just consider Jammu and Ladhak, rest are divided in Valley with decent number with India too.

There are formulas proposed for those sections who want to go to Pakistan and those who want to go to India and those who want Independence. i'm sure you have seen them.

If there are riots in Kashmir and curfew a major blame goes to Kashmir's themselves. Keeping peace in your area is primary responsibility of the locals and by resorting to violent protest without provocation some of this they deserve. They are religious fanatic bigots who just cannot stand a non Muslim period.

If that 17 year old was your son, you would grab a shitload of people and protest, then the soldiers would fire at you, and then it would turn violent.

Kasmiri's were also involved in violence against Hindus of Kashmir origin, how do you explain that, what you saw is what you reap.

You mean Pundits? 99% pro India and 1% percent independent. Chenab formula is available for them.

Let's say the image shows independent Kashmir outlined like that. Disregard the orange.

 

[GUNNER]

ISLAMABAD, Aug 3, 2010 (AFP) - Pakistan on Tuesday called on nuclear-armed rival India to "exercise restraint" in its zone of the Himalayan region of Kashmir, where at least 42 people have died in weeks of unrest.

"There is a need for the government of India to exercise restraint," a statement quoted Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi as saying.

"Pakistan is seriously concerned at the escalation of violence against Kashmiri people that has resulted in the loss of innocent lives," Qureshi said.

Qureshi expressed Pakistan's "unequivocal solidarity" with the people of Kashmir and said the country would "continue to extend its political, moral and diplomatic support to the just cause of... their right to self-determination."

Qureshi said recent statements from the United Nations and Organisation of Islamic Conference "illustrate the collective concern of the international community at the human rights violations in Indian occupied Kashmir."

 

[SEAL]

Its month of August on 14aug we will see Kashmiri people celebrating Pakistan independence day and 15Aug as a black day.
What a shame for Indians and Omer Abdullah.

 

[InDIaN BeAst]

why so many indians are banned who commented on this thread? while some trolls roam free?

 

[karan.1970]

ISLAMABAD, Aug 3, 2010 (AFP) - Pakistan on Tuesday called on nuclear-armed rival India to "exercise restraint" in its zone of the Himalayan region of Kashmir, where at least 42 people have died in weeks of unrest.

"There is a need for the government of India to exercise restraint," a statement quoted Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi as saying.

"Pakistan is seriously concerned at the escalation of violence against Kashmiri people that has resulted in the loss of innocent lives," Qureshi said.
Qureshi expressed Pakistan's "unequivocal solidarity" with the people of Kashmir and said the country would "continue to extend its political, moral and diplomatic support to the just cause of... their right to self-determination."

Qureshi said recent statements from the United Nations and Organisation of Islamic Conference "illustrate the collective concern of the international community at the human rights violations in Indian occupied Kashmir."

Quereshi should really focus on inside Pakistan where 35 people got killed over night in Karachi after political assassination of a MPA. Being a foreign minister does not mean you just look outside..

 

[gubbi]

Quereshi should really focus on inside Pakistan where 35 people got killed over night in Karachi after political assassination of a MPA. Being a foreign minister does not mean you just look outside..

Exactly. Seriously, their own house is on fire and yet they want to meddle in other's affairs.

On topic, there is no limit to what a mob can do, especially when instigated on religious and pseudo-nationalistic lines. When the mob pays no heed to repeated warnings, law enforcement forces have to resort to some uncomfortable means to quell the unrest.

If people have common sense, they would not be a part of a rampaging mob frothing on religious and pseudo-nationalistic fervor. The mob did not heed the warnings form local enforcement forces and consequences followed.

“Democracy is a device that insures we shall be governed no better than we deserve.” Its up to the Kashmiri people to pull themselves up, stop this madness and mayhem, and work to better their lives, instead of giving in to 'instigated' pseudo-nationalistic sentiments based on religion.

Stupid religions, stupid pseudo-nationalism!

 

[somya]

If Kashmiri people are given a chance to be a part of Pakistan for just one year( as emotional people will take that time to realise fact), they will realise there mistake. Every state of Pakistan are in mess. People of one state have no faith on people of other state.

They unite only against India, otherwise inside they broken among themselves(every one knows it).

 

[FlickerSingh]

ISLAMABAD, Aug 3, 2010 (AFP) - Pakistan on Tuesday called on nuclear-armed rival India to "exercise restraint" in its zone of the Himalayan region of Kashmir, where at least 42 people have died in weeks of unrest.

"There is a need for the government of India to exercise restraint," a statement quoted Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi as saying.

"Pakistan is seriously concerned at the escalation of violence against Kashmiri people that has resulted in the loss of innocent lives," Qureshi said.

Qureshi expressed Pakistan's "unequivocal solidarity" with the people of Kashmir and said the country would "continue to extend its political, moral and diplomatic support to the just cause of... their right to self-determination."

Qureshi said recent statements from the United Nations and Organisation of Islamic Conference "illustrate the collective concern of the international community at the human rights violations in Indian occupied Kashmir."

the uno and the oic just expressed concerns about the violence. all which the troublemakers in kashmir have for "political, moral and diplomatic support to the just cause of self determination" is pakistan. pakistan is a nation which is self balkanizing itself daily and is begging the heavens for india to be punished with the same medicine. sorry pakistan. the rest of the world cares nothing for kashmir issue. it is an indian issue. go sort out your own house and after 100 years when you have limited stability in your country then try and play big dhada of asia. in the meantime india will sort out its trouble makers in any manner which it feels necessary

 

[zeeshe100]

In hindi its JAFAR in urdu its ZAFAR ...like in urdu 'Pakistan' but in arabic its Bakistan.... =))

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

FreekiN dear, there are many other families with very similar stories.

Sri Nagar in particular is one area where the Kashmiri ''street'' is literally against (they HATE) the indian occupation.


indians will try to fudge numbers, present half-truths (at best), cite a few flawed ''polls'' here and there, bring up sham (scam?) elections and claim that Kashmiris will opt for india

this is far from reality in the Muslim majority disputed territory...FARRRR from it.


and we are seeing it everyday......how many Kashmiris did occupying forces of the neighbour country kill?


Over 50. Mostly unarmed youth who were simply protesting.


recurring pattern. Kind of like how after this post, some hindustany will mention Baluchistan which isnt even a similar issue as it isnt disputed territory; and only a small fraction of the population is actually demanding ''independence''


in Kashmir, the calls for it can be vociferously heard.....




more power to your family, Freekin, and to others like yours that have endured the senseless violence and heavy handedness of the occupation of Kashmir by this God-damned neighbour country of ours

 

[Kompromat]

Shame on the barbarians.

Kyodo News - Story

 

[Kompromat]

Five more killed in Kashmir Valley protests
4 Aug 2010, 0411 hrs IST,ET Bureau

Five more killed in Kashmir Valley protests-Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times

SRINAGAR: At least four protesters were killed and over 20 injured in different incidents of police firing on unruly mobs in the Kashmir Valley in Tuesday. Another protester died in hospital, taking the day’s toll to 5.

A few thousands breached curfew to reach Eidgah for a march called by Hurriyat leader Syed Geelani. They carried the body of one of the two young men killed in firing for burial.

Witnesses said a police officer fired from a close range, hitting two persons. One of them, Anees Ahmad Ganai, died in hospital. He received a bullet in his chest.

Another mob in Narwara clashed with the police and a boy named Miraj-ud-Din, injured in police firing, died on his way to the hospital.

A clash in Zainakote, an industrial area in the city outskirts, saw protesters stone-pelting and police retaliating by firing. Of the two injured here, one is critical.

Another youth, identified as Muhammad Jabbar, was killed in Frisal Yaripora village of Kulgam district when mobs attacked and torched a police post.

“After the post was abandoned by the policemen, mobs continued to chase them with murderous intent. The policemen fired in self-defence resulting in the death of a local youth and injuries to three others,” police here said.

Later, the irate mobs torched the homes of a local policeman and a special police officer (SPO) in the village.

Reyaz Ahmad, a young man who had received a bullet injury in Khrew procession few days back succumbed to his injuries in SKIMS. He was on ventilator for last three days.

There were reports of mobs in Safapora, Budgam, Sangham, Samboora, Bandipora, Awantipora, Kulgam and Baramulla pelting stones on security personnel. They attacked public and police properties at a number of places, a police spokesman said. Some of them dispersed after they were fired upon.

A police spokesman said the unruly mobs set afire two abandoned houses of migrants, the old Naib Tehsildar office in Bomie Sopore, police post at Frisal Sherpora and houses of a cop and Special Police Official. They also attacked police post at Bomie.

The major achievement of the security forces on Tuesday was the sanitization of the national highway. Army was called in and it is protecting the highway from Qazigund to Srinagar. However, it remained blocked for around three hours when a huge rally near Samboora took place. The rallyists dispersed peacefully.

Most rallies in the city periphery were Srinagar bound in response to the call of Mr Geelani. He had planned a march towards Eidgah in Srinagar. Asking people to maintain peace and avoid brick-bating, Mr Geelani has said that he would ‘reveal’ the details of his meetings with some of the people who had come to meet him in jail. He had asked the government to lift curfew, and withdraw the deployments. Authorities, however, re-arrested him.

 

[gogbot]

Who's more to blame the soldiers trying to keep order.

Or the Instigators pushing these protesters to impossible situations.

You pretend as if the whole of Kashmir is on the streets , Yet more than 75 % of the populace remains indoors . waiting for normals to return. And the streets to become safe.

Business can't open
Investors run for the bunkers
Job's go un-done
Wages go Unpaid
Life comes to a stand still
Kashmir comes to a stand still.

All for the sake of a political message at the expense of untold misery.

These mobs are openly trying to look for confrontation.
For the last 30 years this has the status quo ,
Driven on by people who keep telling them now is the time.
When ever the Security personal establish a sense of Normal life , it gets destroyed only so that Indian's can be called barbarians.

 

[amit27]

these youths dont have jobs thats why they just sit around causing trouble the Indian goverment should provide them with education and job help so they can have a good future.

 

[Kompromat]

@ Gogbot

Indian soldiers have been firing live rounds on civilians - same was done by Kasab the consequences were same , he was a terrorist according to Indian law & so is Indian Army & police when that principle is applied.

What is the difference between the Kasab and indian barbarians ??
Kashmiris have just proven that they haven't given up on their freedom struggle even when Indian govt has done its best to stop them.

Why International media is not allowed in the valley ?? Is Indian establishment scared that the truth may reveal ?

Why APHC is not allowed to go overseas even to UNO & talk to International Media ??

India is on the wrong side of the history on this matter - you can Kill as many people as you like but one day you would have to **** off.