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[kugga]

Yes really we need to learn from Pakistan that they cant even except dead bodies of their freedom fighter.

Lets forget about terrorist bodies Pakistan not even except bodies of their soldiers in Kargil War ....... U forget that

Ahh.... The same story also goes here that Indian soldiers are denying to accept bodies of their soldiers...

 

[Mirza Jatt]

yar 200 freedom fighters have make whole of ur army hajra .
oh sorry i forgot that just 10 young boys can take mumbai hostage for 3 days thn these 200 mens are more than enough for Indian Army.

i think thn these terrorists are more trained than ur army men. so y dont u get sum training from the captured freedom figthers

freedom fighters ?? P

anyways..200 ?? just 200 people asking for freedom ?? P

200 men more than enough for Indian army ?? P

history says that 1971, Indian army..... forget it...

 

[kugga]

freedom fighters ??

anyways..200 ?? just 200 people asking for freedom ??

200 men more than enough for Indian army ?? P

history says that 1971, Indian army..... forget it...

Just a few posts back a boy was saying that Indians don't care about history...

 

[Ammyy]

freedom fighters ??

anyways..200 ?? just 200 people asking for freedom ??

200 men more than enough for Indian army ??

history says that 1971, Indian army..... forget it...

Dude why only 1971 ...they try 4 time in past and got punishment

 

[rohailmalhi]

Atleast they Took courage to take innocents as Hostage in India, But did Not enter the army head quarters and kept the army men hostage for over a day and that too by just a couple of terrorists In Rawalpindi ..lol....

First of all they were disgused themselves by wearing Army Uniforms.

U know the beaty of my Amry My army chief stayed there he attended his all meetings and everything goes according to the plan.Just a section of the Head quater was sealed .and they waited just for the night to fall .
Operation stared they eliminated all of the terrorists including the one sitting in the middle of 23 army soldiers wearing a suicidal jacket .SSGs didnt even gave him the time to think and act.

and in ur case i dont need to tell u Whole India was stand still for like 2 days everything was closed .Man do u need me to enlighten u more abt that attack.

 

[chachachoudhary]

Hate to hear these news. Why can't the Indian Army fight some religious crack heads without a casualty. I still don't get that even after so many equipments, this large spending on defence, joint trainings and everything else that is going on to help them improve, they can't just fight these militants without losing their lives.

Anyway, I salute the martyrs and prey to God for their spirits to rest in peace forever and also to support their families.

You are 100% correct. The casualty rate of indian soldiers in war against terror is highest.

We indians have been successfully brainwashed to pass on these insufficiencies under the garb of "sacrifice", bravery, and what not. In india, there is no mechanism and "will" to analyse the causes of death of servicemen on duty and unfortunately it is "accepted" as part of duty.

Remember, when one chief minister died in a helicopter crash. Entire VIP helicopter fleet across the nation was grounded and checked for possible faults.

We are severely and in fact "criminally" lacking in basics such as good quality armour, ballistic helmets, optical sights for rifles, and what not.

I challenge anybody and everybody to bring in israeli coin specialists during a live coin operation in J&K and see how they do it. I challenge anybody and everybody, they will do it without losing a single person on their side and without collateral damage also, but I am sure "good for nothing" indian brigadiers and generals with inflated egos will never allow that.

The most important fact is in india human lives are cheaper and replacements are easily available. Unlike our CMs, PMs, and their kins, our soldiers are "expendable".

 

[Arjun MBT]

First of all they were disgused themselves by wearing Army Uniforms.

U know the beaty of my Amry My army chief stayed there he attended his all meetings and everything goes according to the plan.Just a section of the Head quater was sealed .and they waited just for the night to fall .
Operation stared they eliminated all of the terrorists including the one sitting in the middle of 23 army soldiers wearing a suicidal jacket .SSGs didnt even gave him the time to think and act.

and in ur case i dont need to tell u Whole India was stand still for like 2 days everything was closed .Man do u need me to enlighten u more abt that attack.

Just like any person in army uniform can Enter Your head quarters(This makes Me laugh) , In Our hotel Any civilian is allowed, it took u a whole day to clear terrorists Who made army people hostages, such a coward army...

But here, NSG took 3 days and Completed the mission in 3 different spots.... engaged in more than 1200 rooms... 1200 rooms get it??? 600 each hotel ,plenty of room for terrorists to run around...

But in Rawalpindi they made ur officers sitting Ducks

 

[rohailmalhi]

freedom fighters ?? P

anyways..200 ?? just 200 people asking for freedom ?? P

200 men more than enough for Indian army ?? P

history says that 1971, Indian army..... forget it...

No not 200 are asking for freedom. Whole of Indian occupied kashmir is asking for freddom.Im just pointing toward that for controlling 200 freedom fighters u indians have like .75 million army mens in Kashmir.

Tht was past we learned enough u proved at tht tym the saying is very true Bagal main churri ,muh mina raam raam.

 

[Ammyy]

No not 200 are asking for freedom. Whole of Indian occupied kashmir is asking for freddom.Im just pointing toward that for controlling 200 freedom fighters u indians have like .75 million army mens in Kashmir.

Tht was past we learned enough u proved at tht tym the saying is very true Bagal main churri ,muh mina raam raam.

Wet dreams never become true
Kashmir is part of India................. and no power in this world take it from us
You try in past and learn lesson ... i think you dnt want it 5th time right ???

 

[rohailmalhi]

Just like any person in army uniform can Enter Your head quarters(This makes Me laugh) , In Our hotel Any civilian is allowed, it took u a whole day to clear terrorists Who made army people hostages, such a coward army...

But here, NSG took 3 days and Completed the mission in 3 different spots.... engaged in more than 1200 rooms... 1200 rooms get it??? 600 each hotel ,plenty of room for terrorists to run around...

But in Rawalpindi they made ur officers sitting Ducks

Sitting Ducks
Cannot expect more from u man.
i told u earlier just a section was sealed not the whole HQ even our Army chief was there whole of the tym and even sum foriegner attended meeting with him at the tym of operation.

and they just waitied for the night to fall.coz they saved many precious lifes .

im saying the same thing 3 days Whole india cum to stand still.and ur NSG is bit of lazy coz it took soo long to clear all these rooms.

 

[Ammyy]

Sitting Ducks
Cannot expect more from u man.
i told u earlier just a section was sealed not the whole HQ even our Army chief was there whole of the tym and even sum foriegner attended meeting with him at the tym of operation.

and they just waitied for the night to fall.coz they saved many precious lifes .

im saying the same thing 3 days Whole india cum to stand still.and ur NSG is bit of lazy coz it took soo long to clear all these rooms.

I think you forget about Lal masjid operation ???

 

[rohailmalhi]

Wet dreams never become true
Kashmir is part of India................. and no power in this world take it from us
You try in past and learn lesson ... i think you dnt want it 5th time right ???

No one is having wet dreams except u .
We will see abt the claim of NO power can take tht from us .

and in past yes we have learned lesson .Now we will take america in to confidence before doing anything coz thn u will have to run and go sit in the lap of Uncle Sam and Uncle Israel to help u save u ***.

 

[Ammyy]

No one is having wet dreams except u .
We will see abt the claim of NO power can take tht from us .

and in past yes we have learned lesson .Now we will take america in to confidence before doing anything coz thn u will have to run and go sit in the lap of Uncle Sam and Uncle Israel to help u save u ***.

From past 60 years you are trying for Kashmir and still you are not able to take it

I think after 500 or even 600 years you can take Kashmir

 

[DGMO]

This thread is similar to one I made a post in yesterday. However, I'd like to reiterate those words, which perhaps take a view on the wider issue of the conflict itself.

As much as I condemn the killings of protestors, these events will continue and we will be trapped in the cycle of violence, of action and reaction which suits no-one.

We're back to where this chain of discussion usually ends up, most notably:

Pak posters: The Kashmiri's are fighting for their freedom from Indian occupation, it's their right.
Indian posters: Kashmir is an integral part of India, these protesters are making their own lives a misery. If Kashmiri's are not happy, they're free to join Pakistan.

This merry-go-round doesn't help in providing any solution to this issue. All we do is accentuate our traditional stands. A starting point should be to talk about where we agree on what's happening in Kashmir. And my take on this is the following:

• Kashmiri's are suffering, and there is genuine despair - this suffering is concentrated predominantly in the Valley. A political and non-violent solution is the ONLY answer to their troubles.

• Annexation or seccession from the Indian Union is a non-starter. However, autonomy or a greater devolution of powers may be the answer, particularly in the Valley. Whether that meets the demands of 'azaadi' that so many shout for is unknown. However, that, coupled with a reduced / withdrawn military presence could quell the troubles of the state. I understand the Indian counter-argument that doing this may result in similar demands in other states, but the 'special status' of Kashmir needs to be the overriding concern.

• Borders cannot be redrawn - I don't see Indian administered Kashmir merging with Pakistan, I don't foresee an independent Kashmir. Nor do I see Pakistan administered Kashmir joining India. The LOC as it is will become the current border, although perhaps softened (as has been advocated) to allow greater movement between both sides of the LOC.

• The military build-up / presence within the Valley is detrimental to peace efforts. This needs to be reduced for the frustration and humiliation amongst the local population to dissapate.

• Pakistan needs to stifle those that scream and preach about jihad in Kashmir. If we're using the excuse that in a democracy, we need to ensure freedom of expression (as Shah Mahmood Qureshi said the other day), then that has to be expressed responsibly. That was our response on the facebook / Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) drawing episode, or was it not? Brainwashing another generation on hate and violence will get us nowhere.

Now I'm sure I've said things above that might upset people on both sides of the border. There are entrenched views, and has been mentioned, both sides are mainly interested in a lot of take, and not much give.

Our thoughts should be primiarily for those that are suffering - Kashmiri's. How can we help them achieve a better life, and how can we in the way of peace improve lives for both nations?

Rose tinted and idealistic is what many may term my stance to be, but our stated positions on Kashmir won't get us anywhere, and that has been proven for six decades and counting.

 

[Arjun MBT]

Sitting Ducks
Cannot expect more from u man.
i told u earlier just a section was sealed not the whole HQ even our Army chief was there whole of the tym and even sum foriegner attended meeting with him at the tym of operation.

and they just waitied for the night to fall.coz they saved many precious lifes .

im saying the same thing 3 days Whole india cum to stand still.and ur NSG is bit of lazy coz it took soo long to clear all these rooms.

Well atleast its better than pakistan army which Surrendered to Terrorists and Accepted to be there hostages.... and Ofcourse, we dont need Your certificate On NSG as British,German,French and Japanese commandos had thanked NSG as they learned a Lot on how to face such scenarios if it were in there country and Greeted the NSG and wanted the NSG to share The strategy They adopted in Operation black tornado... Thats A credit for the NSG....