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It is called freedom of speech. Look it up.

The 7,00,000 troops are NOT there to stop the protest. They are there to PROTECT the protesters. Indian troops are not allowed BY LAW to stop the protesters.

If you go through the opening post, you would realize that it is BANNED in P O K constitution to PROTEST against Pakistan. So, 50,000 Pakistani troops have the right to stop protest there.

That is why you never hear about protests in P O K.

Oh and another thing, even if there are protests in P O K, how would we come to know? There is no independent/free media present there.

well i know how they protect the protesters by openly firing and killing inocent civilian protesting for their just demand... and i don't want to mention the rape and other toture that indian army carries out every single day... as for AJK.. well i know you would not accept it so im not here to troll... you don't accept my point its fine... but believe me what ever you or this article posted says is totally crap.. why i say it because i have seen it with my own eyes what the people of AJK feel and how much they love pakistan... so i would only accept what my own eye sees not what any irrelevant person writes...
 
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As your own figures tells that AJK is more developed than IOK

Of course it is. As a Pakistani living in current times, you should know how bombings and terrorism slows down the economy. No comparison there.

I, however, would concede this point to you if you show me figures from before 1988 when the insurgency started.

and about freedom of press ...well how can you say that??? have you ever been to AJK???
no never so then how can you be judge on this issue??
how can you just stand up and claim that there is no freedom of press in AJK..

No I have never been to AJK. But I'm pretty sure you have not been to J&K either. So we both are basing our analysis on other sources.

I am basing my point on freedom of speech on the opening post.

Looking at the freedom of expression in AJK, before 2005, the only radio allowed to operate was the Azad Kashmir Radio, a subsidiary of Radio Pakistan. Similarly before the earthquake telephone landlines were limited and being strictly monitored and a very limited mobile telephone service was operational. HRW reports that all telecommunications stations were controlled by the Special Communications Organization (SCO), a functional unit of the Pakistani army. Only after the earthquake did the government allow private mobile phone companies to operate in Azad Kashmir when it was pointed out that the loss of life could have been lessened had people and rescue workers had this technology as they did in affected areas in NWFP (as it was then called).

Kindly refute the same.


as one other pakistan member pointed out AJK people are in the same conditions as any other pakistani is... they are facing the same difficulties as any other pakistan is facing..

I think they were talking about economic problems. I addressed that point in the post you quoted.
 
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well "BUDDY" if india withdraws its troops & holds a plebiscite i guess we can solve kashmir issue! you don't want to solve it on the table you don't want to solve it through UN what options are there? ofcourse i know your usual rant "kashmir is our part :blah::blah:" that is not acceptable to the people living in kashmir nor to the pakistanis!

Hey.. rant deserves a rant.. dont you think? You stop the plebisicite **** then we stop our pakistan exporting terror rant ****..!!! We remain as we are and move on..!!!

And yes solve it on table.. What table may i ask? On one hand you give bombs and ak 47's and on the other hand you are giving roses and ask for plebiscite? Should we accept that? you temme..!!! If you are in our position you tell me.. would you accept those roses???
 
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I am basing my point on freedom of speech on the opening post.

Looking at the freedom of expression in AJK, before 2005, the only radio allowed to operate was the Azad Kashmir Radio, a subsidiary of Radio Pakistan. Similarly before the earthquake telephone landlines were limited and being strictly monitored and a very limited mobile telephone service was operational. HRW reports that all telecommunications stations were controlled by the Special Communications Organization (SCO), a functional unit of the Pakistani army. Only after the earthquake did the government allow private mobile phone companies to operate in Azad Kashmir when it was pointed out that the loss of life could have been lessened had people and rescue workers had this technology as they did in affected areas in NWFP (as it was then called).

Kindly refute the same.




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it was the same in other parts as well... mobile phone services really peaked somewhat after 2004 throughout pakistan so no point in that... also both functionaly and constitutionaly AJK is not a full unit of Federation of pakistan. GOP is only acting in the foreign and defence related matters. cellular phone companies were not allowed in AJK because of the above mentioned matter, even PTCL did not have any network so SCO had to develop landline phone network.... whether india accept or not but according to the UN kashmir is a disputed territory... and one thing more that private companies invest only if they see any long term benefits and if the area is small as AJK is normally the government has to do more investment.. so that is the case there is only one radio although now there are FM radios in AJK because again there have been alot of licenses given to media groups for FM radio transmission throughout pakistan .. so again the freedom of media is same as in pakistan... so no point in that...
 
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well "BUDDY" if india withdraws its troops & holds a plebiscite i guess we can solve kashmir issue!

Im repeating this over and over but Pakistanis conviniently choose to ignore it.
"The plebiscite will be conducted once the millions of Kashmiri pandits who were chased out of the valley by ur so-called-freedom fighters are brought back to their homes and the settled Pakistanis in P-O-K are sent back to their original lands"


you don't want to solve it on the table you don't want to solve it through UN what options are there?

Former UN general Kofi Annan himself has said that the Kashmir resolutions are thru Chapter 7 and hence they r non-enforceable.We will wait till Pakistan abides by the UN resolutions and then will hold the plebiscite.


ofcourse i know your usual rant "kashmir is our part :blah::blah:" that is not acceptable to the people living in kashmir

Rant for u..but perfect logic for us.nd the million pandits,the brave jawans of the J&K Light Infantry (who have fought against Pak in all wars),the ppl of Jammu,Ladakh etc. find it perfectly acceptable.


nor to the pakistanis!

As if we care.:lol:
 
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Consensus on Kashmir

The India-Pakistan peace process must have a Kashmir settlement as its clear goal; but no settlement will work unless it is supported by a domestic consensus within each of the three parties — India, Pakistan and Kashmir.

All Kashmiris, separatists and unionists, are now agreed that the future of Kashmir cannot be decided without the concurrence of Pakistan. In India, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) is sworn to oppose any initiative by the present government on any major issue, whether domestic or foreign. In 2004 L.K. Advani asserted that the Hindus would trust the BJP alone to forge an accord with Pakistan. In 2007 he and Atal Behari Vajpayee asked Pakistani visitors to wait till the BJP returned to power; it would give better terms. Both are false. The country will back Prime Minister Manmohan Singh who received a renewed mandate in 2009 which ends in 2014.

In Pakistan resentment against Gen Pervez Musharraf has in some minds rubbed off on his four-point proposal; understandably but not rationally. But, Nawaz Sharif has a formidable record of support for an entente with India and a settlement of Kashmir based on a fair compromise. While in office as prime minister, he told visiting Indian publicists: “We will all have to give up something. India will have to step back; Pakistan will have to step back; and so will the Kashmiris.” He clearly envisaged a compromise. In opposition he told an Indian correspondent on Dec 28, 1995 that he would “support to the hilt” any sincere effort by Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto to improve relations with India.

He repeated his commitment at least twice during the election campaign in February 1997. “This is now a part of my election platform,” he told his colleague Sartaj Aziz. As premier he met Prime Minister I.K. Gujral in Male in May 1997. The upshot was the joint statement of June 23, 1997 on a composite dialogue.

In 1998, a BJP regime came to power in India. Prime Ministers Nawaz Sharif and Vajpayee met in New York in September and decided to launch a back-channel. At the Lahore summit in February 1999 they decided to accelerate it. They agreed also that neither side would reiterate its extreme position — UN resolutions and Kashmir as a non-negotiable issue. Kargil flooded the channel.

What is the status of the Kashmir dispute today? Since 1990 even the US ceased to talk of the UN resolutions. In February 1958 Prime Minister Feroz Khan Noon met the US envoy to the UN, Henry Cabot Lodge, in Karachi. Ambassador James M. Langley recorded: “Noon made no mention of a plebiscite and it seemed to me that he was clearly thinking of a compromise which would provide for a territorial division between India and Pakistan.”

Noon was no traitor. A few months earlier on April 29, 1957, the UN mediator on Kashmir Gunnar Myrdal had, in his report, pronounced those resolutions as virtually obsolete: “The situation with which they were to cope has tended to change.” That was 50 years ago. On March 23, 1962 Ayub Khan was prepared to drop plebiscite if India offered an alternative. The Z.A. Bhutto–Swaran Singh talks (1962-3) centred on a partition line in Kashmir; not on plebiscite.

This is the reality which Nawaz Sharif faced in 1998 and Gen Pervez Musharraf at Agra in 2001. Any settlement of Kashmir must meet one clear test and conform to four limitations. It must be acceptable to all the three parties. The limits? First, no Indian government can accept de-accession of Kashmir and survive even for an hour. Secondly, no government in Pakistan can accept the Line of Control as an international boundary and survive, either. Thirdly, nor will the Kashmiris submit to the partition; and lastly they insist on self-rule.

All old notions of a ‘final settlement’ of the dispute come up against those four hurdles, a burden history has imposed. Four points bypass them. They are, as Manmohan Singh said, on May 2, 2008, “a non-territorial solution”; an agreed arrangement reviewable after 10 or 15 years. We no longer squabble over sovereignty; but proceed to improve the situation on the ground by concrete steps so that in actual practice the concerns of each side are met and the four limits are not violated either.

How? The first of the four points envisages that since “borders cannot be redrawn”, we can, as Manmohan Singh said on March 24, 2006, “work towards making them irrelevant — towards making them just lines on a map”. In effect the state is reunited, de facto though not de jure. Men, goods, and literature will move freely across the LoC. The Hizb leader Syed Salahuddin will return to his home in Srinagar. The entire scenario will change radically, to the benefit of Kashmiri.

Especially since this will be coupled with the three other points — demilitarisation, self-governance and a joint mechanism. Manmohan Singh described them as “institutional arrangements”. Pakistan will have a say on matters like water management. This arrangement will grow with time, and is open to improvement. For instance an All J&K Assembly, comprising legislators, can be set up as a purely consultative body on matters other than defence and politics. Precise arrangements can be stipulated to ensure free movement.

The former foreign minister Khurshid Kasuri has authoritatively established that such an accord was reached. Is it to be discarded because it bears the Musharraf tag? No responsible parent rejects a proposal for their daughter’s marriage because he or she disapproves of the boy’s father; especially if he is separated from the father, the daughter is none too young and other proposals are not in sight.

Syed Salahuddin endorsed it as a ‘first step’ on Feb 27, 2007, so did Mirwaiz Umar Farooq on March 20, 2007. Time is fast running out. Such an opportunity to clinch matters may not occur for long. As Mao advised Nixon on Feb 21,1972, “You must seize the hour and seize the day.”
 
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I think people need to realise and understand that the PARTION boundaries and subsequent borders after the Kashmir war in 1948 HAVE been drawn with blood.

No one is going to yeild an inch NOT pakistan NOT india.

The only option is for disaffected people to migrate to the side of Kashmir that they wish to reside in. IE pAKISTAN held Kashmir or India held held kashmir.

Millions of punjabis did this in 1947 SO WHY CANT KASHMIRIS who do not want indian rule.
 
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kashmir is integral part of India
end of dispute:cheers:

you are rite by saying that India doesnot want to resolve Kashmir issue.
India also dont want to resolve other issues like saichen, water, sir chreek etc.


because India is not gonna benefit from this.
pakistan is gonna be in gain not India:partay:


If people of India want their hard earned money to be spent on "unnecessary" defence budget, if they want their govt. to spend more on buying fancy fighter jets than education, health, clean drinking water, toilets, environment and above all if they want to live in under threat of a nuclear war; then they must not press their govt. to resolve these issues and maintain status quo.

God help subcontinent!
 
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If people of India want their hard earned money to be spent on "unnecessary" defence budget, if they want their govt. to spend more on buying fancy fighter jets than education, health, clean drinking water, toilets, environment and above all if they want to live in under threat of a nuclear war; then they must not press their govt. to resolve these issues and maintain status quo.

God help subcontinent!

y dont u reverse the condition to pak,even pak is in more trouble.toilets,education level,clean drinking water,environment etc.govt is doing it's work.but it will take few years to c the result.watever we are watching some modernization in india ,it is due to the steps taken in 90's and then after not in 2009.every thing has a time.i m building my own country ,u shud also do same.not trying to interfere in others matter.again n again plz don't repeat nuclear threat.u shu think so only if u will not get awesome reply.have a very gud night sir:cheers::cheers:
 
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kashmir is integral part of India
end of dispute:cheers:

you are rite by saying that India doesnot want to resolve Kashmir issue.
India also dont want to resolve other issues like saichen, water, sir chreek etc.

because India is not gonna benefit from this.
pakistan is gonna be in gain not India:partay:



You $hut the Fccuk UP ...

Colonial Times are Over

Its not India's LAND , That belong to kashmiris ONLY !!!! :sniper:
 
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kashmir is integral part of India
end of dispute:cheers:

you are rite by saying that India doesnot want to resolve Kashmir issue.
India also dont want to resolve other issues like saichen, water, sir chreek etc.

because India is not gonna benefit from this.
pakistan is gonna be in gain not India:partay:

And gandhi didnt sleep with little girls:rofl:.....wont say anything else.
 
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wen u didnt have anything,u jumped to gandhi.u r testing the limits i think.ab aap so jao miyan:azn::azn:

listen buddy..dont u guuys try to be over smart IOK is a disputed region.world doesnt give a dousche wat india thinks....nor do i care to remind u wat nehrus stance was in UN.Which is still by the way the SAME.
About gandhi i hope there was much more anyways leave tht.
Last and most imortant point dont call me a mian......coz wife use the word mian for thier husbands.......And i aint tht kinda man.
So kindly keep it in mind.
Thnks
 
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