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[dabong1]

Not just uproar ..... congress would have gifted opposition a victory on platter. How do you explain a compromise to your joe's & jane's!.

Or it could have given victory to congress for sorting the kashmir problem out.

 

[Jade]

Or it could have given victory to congress for sorting the kashmir problem out.

“Sorting the Kashmir problem” has different connotations for Indians and for Pakistanis. The connotations need not be similar.

 

[third eye]

Not just uproar ..... congress would have gifted opposition a victory on platter. How do you explain a compromise to your joe's & jane's!

None the less , GoI should take the composite dialog further. Not engaging with a democratic government NOW might be a folly considering that it also has the backing of Pak's army leadership .

I do not consider it to be a folly.

India's foreign policy has remained consistent irrespective of the party in power. The reason for discontinuance of dialogue were / are clear. Starting them without any change on the ground would imply that either India was wrong then or wrong now.

I agree that it would amount to gifting the next election and committing hara kiri politically.

Next , it makes no diff whose govt there is in Islamabad - the Army & ISI always calls the shots. One need not get taken in by democracy there which in any case is only toe deep & is surviving coz US wants it that way.

 

[truefriend]

hahaha i was about to say that

Does Kashmiri wants to live with you? as per pictures, videos and the interviews by the kashmiri leaders it does not seems so

Double standards of India

jammu and kashmir in india is open for all every one put their viiew..
not like pakistan occupied kashmir where only ak47 speaks
thts the diffrence
but u dont want to understand
its ok

 

[Hyde]

jammu and kashmir in india is open for all every one put their viiew..
not like pakistan occupied kashmir where only ak47 speaks
thts the diffrence
but u dont want to understand
its ok

yes you being an indian and reading nothing but Indian news channels can say that........... i agree with you

But unfortunately no other countries except India can agree with your statement........ not even US......

that is because we did not feel like opening Azad Kashmir as it was never closed for any kind of activities. Peoples in Azad Kashmir are/was Pakistanis and living in all parts of Pakistan speaking same language, same culture and same religion so they did not feel like a stranger ever so we did not need to closing anything........... We did not need to hold guns like other part of Kashmir and we don't see curfew like I.O.K

you are right i must say you are right...... according to India news channels if banana is Apple - Its apple for all Indians...

Get back to topic now

 

[truefriend]

yes you being an indian and reading nothing but Indian news channels can say that........... i agree with you

But unfortunately no other countries except India can agree with your statement........ not even US......

that is because we did not feel like opening Azad Kashmir as it was never closed for any kind of activities. Peoples in Azad Kashmir are/was Pakistanis and living in all parts of Pakistan speaking same language, same culture and same religion so they did not feel like a stranger ever so we did not need to closing anything........... We did not need to hold guns like other part of Kashmir and we don't see curfew like I.O.K

you are right i must say you are right...... according to India news channels if banana is Apple - Its apple for all Indians...

Get back to topic now

On September 14, 1994, the Supreme Court of Pakistan-administered Kashmir ruled that "the Northern areas are a part of J&K State but are not a part of Azad J&K as defined in the Interim Constitution Act 1974"[16]. The Northern Areas presently has no officially named status in Pakistan. Pakistan does not consider this area as a "province" of Pakistan or as a part of "Azad Kashmir". They are ruled directly from Islamabad through a Northern Areas Council. A chief executive (usually a retired Pakistani army officer), appointed by Islamabad is the local administrative head.[17] This area presently has no representatives in both the Azad Kashmir Assembly and in Pakistan’s parliament. Northern Areas’ Legislative Council was created with a membership of 29 (later increased to 32) , but its powers are restricted. On May 11, 2007 the NA’s chief executive, who also happens to be the Minister for Kashmir Affairs and Northern Areas Affairs, declared that the region had a right to be represented in the National Assembly. Others demand that it should be given the status of a province. The changes made in 1994 in the local bodies’ ordinance gave more representation to women and delegated some administrative and financial powers to the local administration. However, the people of the region do not enjoy fundamental rights, because it continues to be governed by the Legal Framework Order of 1994

they have no power POKs assembly is just a show off infront of people

when *** is open for all

Pakistan-administered Kashmir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hyde]

Don't destroy the thread - go and talk about this issue on another dedicated thread on Kashmir -We shall wait for you......... repeat this question there

In simple words - all the rights have been given to local bodies and we don't have any movement for independance in Azad Kashmir like Indian side of Kashmir.

The reason why Kashmir is not another province of Pakistan - i will say there in its dedicated thread to avoid further discussion here

 

[truefriend]

Don't destroy the thread - go and talk about this issue on another dedicated thread on Kashmir -We shall wait for you......... repeat this question there

In simple words - all the rights have been given to local bodies and we don't have any movement for independance in Azad Kashmir like Indian side of Kashmir.

The reason why Kashmir is not another province of Pakistan - i will say there in its dedicated thread to avoid further discussion here

go and check post no 38

 

[Hyde]

go and check post no 38

Post 38 was on topic considering previous posts in mind............. here its not the same case........... talking a little is fine but no need to divert the whole issue. We have dedicated thread in this regard just discuss all relevent issues in the following thread

http://www.defence.pk/forums/kashmir-war/20220-future-kashmir-seven-possible-solutions-62.html

 

[truefriend]

Post 38 was on topic considering previous posts in mind............. here its not the same case........... talking a little is fine but no need to divert the whole issue. We have dedicated thread in this regard just discuss all relevent issues in the following thread

http://www.defence.pk/forums/kashmir-war/20220-future-kashmir-seven-possible-solutions-62.html[/QUOTE

so i think we have to start a new thread @people of pak occupied kashmir are happy or j&ks of india@

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

I do not think this would have happened. Kashmir was like any other state in the British Raj except that it had been sold. Kashmir has been a part of Pakistan for thousands of years, and independent Kashmir would sadden me in ways aswell.

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

So, what is the body count of kashmiri's who were the victims of cross border infiltrators terrorist bombings all in and around kashmir. "TALEE EK HAATH NAA NAYI WAJDEE".

Again, please stop smoking what you are smoking. Gold Leaf is a better alternative to the banned substances you are usingAlso, there has never been a proved case of the Pakistani Army fighting in J&K, with exception of Kargil.

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

I can give you a better explanation

We have Pakistan at LoC and they can play mischief(like kargil).....to kick them we have 700000 soldiers and we are planning to raise these number to 100000....moreover we have some 100000 BSF guys also there

What about when the Indian Army crossed the LoC and beheaded some civilians in 2002-3? Also, please note that the Indian army has taken part in Skirmishes aswell.

 

[EjazR]

Western Blue Print for Kashmir by Mohammad Ashraf

Mohammad Ashraf
Former Director General, Department of Tourism, J&K


The Anglo-American Block has started showing renewed interest in the solution of the Kashmir dispute. Robert Blake, the US Assistant Secretary of State for Central and South Asian Affairs, revealed to the media that there already exists a “Blue Print” for the solution of the Kashmir dispute. According to him this “Blue Print” had been discussed and an agreement was reached between the contending parties but it still had to be endorsed. However, he did not disclose the exact details of the “Blue Print.” According to him Kashmir figures prominently in every discussion. He rejected the often quoted premise that it is impossible for India and Pakistan to make progress. He stated that both countries had made significant progress towards resolving the issue during the period of 2004 to 2007.

Most probably, Robert Blake was referring to General Musharraf’s four-point formula. The formula itself may have originated in the west? In fact, the famous journalist Kuldip Nayar also mentioned the “Blue Print” in an article in The Tribune in November 2004, after a meeting with General Musharraf. The Western Powers especially the Anglo-American Block have been preparing “Blue Prints” for the Kashmir solution right from 1948. Based on some documents de-classified after 60 years, Rakesh Ankit published a research paper last year, “The Cold War and its Impact on the Evolution of the Kashmir Crisis, 1947-48” in the Journal of the Oxford University History Society. According to him, ‘Power Politics’ made a large contribution to the evolution of the Kashmir crisis. He states that while the dispute emerged for local, regional and religious reasons; its evolution and eventual ‘internationalization’ bears the stamp of concerns which had nothing to do with the individuality of the crisis and the merits of the cases of the two protagonists. He concludes that once the crisis erupted it was manipulated by the British-led Western Block, as far as possible, in the pursuit of its own vital interests stretching from the Middle East to Central Asia to the Far East. These vital interests are categorized by him as defensive, strategic and geo-political (aimed at the former Communist USSR) and ideological or religious (aimed at the Islamic Middle East). In fact, Rakesh has quoted an extract from Bevin’s letter to Marshall which states, “Kashmir was on the Soviet frontier. Russia might well intervene as she had in Greece and China, playing on the tribes and on communal feeling. Whoever controlled the valley of Kashmir controlled the strategic and commercial communications between India, Pakistan and Central Asia.”

The main western interest was the access to Central Asia and containment of Communist Russia. A number of American and British strategists opined that Pakistan would be more useful to them than India as they could manipulate its rulers easily. In fact, it was decided in a meeting held in Paris between Bevin and Marshall that the Anglo-American interests would best be served by keeping the Kashmir corridor passing through Gilgit with Pakistan as India could create problems. The ceasefire and the extent of areas under each country were also decided by Western powers as both armies at that time were controlled by the British Officers. The American and British strategists advised their respective Governments that Pakistan would be a better choice for them to back. They were also apprehensive that India would wipe out Pakistan unless the West came to its assistance in a big way.

The global strategic priorities have changed now. Russia is no longer a threat it used to be for the West. However, new centres of power and alliances have developed which have made the famous Kashmir corridor more important now, such as the emergence of China as a super power and an economic giant. The break up of the Soviet Union and the emergence of a number of independent Central Asian countries with extensive energy resources have made the Anglo-American block shift their focus towards this area. This has prompted them to design newer “Blue Prints” to safeguard their primary interests. Their aim now is to contain China and have a grip over Central Asian energy. One fails to understand why we always look toward the West to give us a “nudge” in settling our disputes? The best initiative is for the inhabitants of the sub-continent, the Indians, Pakistanis, and the Kashmiris to work out a “Blue Print” which can bring peace to the area. It is a pity that in spite of our past experience we continue to look westward for a solution. Unless we sincerely realize this and take our own initiative, we will put future generations in perpetual bondage of the West.

 

[KS]

What about when the Indian Army crossed the LoC and beheaded some civilians in 2002-3?

Any neutral source to back ur claim..?