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Do not interfere? When was Kashmir officially yours. As far as I know, it is still a disputed area be it PhK or IhK we have a right to know what is happening there in Kashmir,

Probably that's the reason why people are sent crossing over LOC. To check what is going on India's side of J&K.

and lend support to them diplomatically and morally!
We know lots of people as well to lend support both diplomatically and morally. BTW you are doing much more than diplomatic and moral support. Also if you think you can provide diplomatic support ask your foreign office to raise this issue with India and wait for the reply.
 
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Pakistan 'army air strike kills dozens of civilians'

At least 73 civilians were killed when an army jet bombed a remote village in Pakistan's tribal region of Khyber, a local official has told the BBC.

He said the incident took place on Saturday but news was slow in being reported because of the inaccessibility of the region.

The jet was involved in operations against Taliban militants in the nearby Orakzai tribal region.

Officials have reportedly already paid compensation to families of victims.

The military insists most of those killed were militants, but local sources say many civilians have also been killed.

Many people have died in air strikes in the area over the past 18 months.

Villagers say another strike - by a US drone missile - killed 13 people on Monday.

Gagging order

Military spokesman Maj Gen Athar Abbas told Associated Press news agency on Monday that those killed in the Pakistan army air strike were attacked because it had intelligence that militants were gathering at the site.

He denied civilians had died and said the victims were initially reported to be suspected militants, AP said.

The BBC's Orla Guerin says an official claims that 73 civilians were killed

Those on the ground gave a different version of events.

"All those killed were innocent civilians," the local administration official told the BBC.

"The dead include women and children. Dozens of people were also injured."

The official said he could not speak on the record as the military had put a "gagging order" on him to limit the fallout.

He said that initial information suggested that the jet had strayed away from the conflict zone and mistook the village for a militant compound.
Local officials have paid compensation amounting to more than $100,000 (£65,000) to the families of those killed, an unnamed official told the Associated Press news agency.

The BBC's Orla Guerin in Islamabad says this is a strong indication that local authorities, at least, believe a tragic mistake has been made.

The injured have been moved to hospitals in the nearby city of Peshawar. They are being treated under strict guard.

Police prevented a BBC correspondent from interviewing the injured at the Hayatabad medical complex in Peshawar.

Other reporters have also been denied access.

Correspondents say that the army is under heavy pressure from the US to move forcefully against Taliban and al-Qaeda militants in the north-west.

The army regularly reports killing militants in air strikes, but consistently denies it is responsible for civilian deaths.

Relief agencies say the offensives against militants in Pakistan and in neighbouring Afghanistan have displaced more than one million people



this was the same thing that happend in J&K


Nah Buddy! Only their terrorists are terrorists and rest of a$$holes are innocent souls.
 
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HAHA makes me laugh when pakistanis use the word "genocide" lol rememeber 1971?? 1971 is second only to the "holocaut" which happend in europe.....

yes its a genocide a systematic genocide, where there is no check over IA & police, they can kill everyone by labeling them insurgents

Indian Army and Police Tied to Kashmir Killings

SRINAGAR, Kashmir, Feb. 3 — Amid a grove of poplar trees in a village just north of here, a grave was unearthed Thursday afternoon. Out came the body of a man, shot dead nearly two months ago, whom the Indian police described at the time as an anti-Indian militant from Pakistan.
An elderly man, who had been searching for his missing son for nearly two months, was summoned for the exhumation. He stared at the horror dug out of the ground and told the police what he had refused to believe all this time. “He is my son,” he said. Then he sat on the bare ground and shook.

As it turned out, the dead man, Abdul Rehman Paddar, was not a Pakistani at all, nor a militant. He was a Kashmiri carpenter from a village south of here. The Indian police are now investigating whether he was killed by some of their own men, for motives that could range from personal revenge to greed. A suspected militant’s body, after all, comes with a handsome cash reward. By Saturday, four police officers were under arrest in connection with Mr. Paddar’s killing.

S. M. Sahai, the chief of police for Kashmir, said his investigators were looking into whether at least two other bodies were part of the same ring; setups like the killing of Mr. Paddar are known here as “encounter killings.” Each of the victims had been killed in operations conducted jointly by the police and either an Indian Army unit or a paramilitary force that operates under army command, he said.

By the end of the day on Saturday, as the investigation snowballed, a total of five bodies had been exhumed, all in the area surrounding Sumbal, and their identities were being checked.

The exhumations have not only unearthed a deep well of resentment among the people of Indian-administered Kashmir, but have also forced the Indian government to face anew long-simmering charges of abuse by Indian soldiers and the police.

Kashmiris have long accused the Indian authorities of disappearances and extrajudicial killings; one local human rights group estimates that 10,000 people have disappeared since the anti-Indian insurgency began here in 1989. Nor have civilians been immune to the savagery of militants; beheadings are among their favored tactics.

India blames its rival and neighbor, Pakistan, for aiding and arming the insurgents. Pakistan denies the charge, and does not recognize India’s claim to Kashmir. Claimed by both countries, Kashmir has been a center of strife for nearly 60 years.

While the violence has calmed considerably since a 2004 peace deal between India and Pakistan, it has hardly ended the bloodshed or diminished the presence of Indian troops here. India says troop reduction can begin only when the militants lay down their weapons.

Those troops have been blamed repeatedly for human rights abuses here, most recently by a 156-page report released last October by Human Rights Watch, which detailed dozens of cases in which, it said, the state had failed to hold its security forces accountable for suspected abductions, killings and detentions.

Among the most infamous of those cases were the March 2000 killings in the southern village of Pathirabal of five men, whom the army identified as foreign terrorists responsible for a massacre of Sikh civilians. The men, whose bodies had been burned and badly mutilated, turned out to be civilians abducted by the army, according to relatives and a subsequent federal investigation.

In a rare instance of prosecution, five Indian soldiers were charged with the killings, but the case remains stuck in the courts nearly seven years later, and the accused remain on the job. The army insists that they be tried by an internal court martial, and not a civilian court.

Human Rights Watch blamed the Indian government for what it called its “lack of commitment” to accountability and a series of Indian laws that shield soldiers in conflict zones like Kashmir. “This has led to a serious climate of impunity,” the report concluded.

Indian officials have explicitly sought to use the latest cases of encounter killings to rebut accusations of impunity, pointing out that they have taken the lead in investigating army and police officials linked to what they call isolated abuses of power.

“This is an aberration,” Mr. Sahai, the police chief, said in an interview in his office here in the summer capital of Indian-run Kashmir. “This is not the rule. We have not tried to suppress anything. Whatever are the facts of the case have come out in the open. If we are trying to set our house in order, that should increase public confidence.”

Mr. Sahai said the police were also investigating whether members of the Indian Army were complicit in Mr. Paddar’s killing. [Indian newspapers reported Monday that the army said it would conduct an internal investigation into whether its soldiers were involved.]

The Kashmir state chief minister, Ghulam Nabi Azad, has likewise called for a judicial inquiry into the killings, promising a transparent investigation. Whether it will expand to include other suspected encounter killings remains a mystery; if it does expand, it could prove to be a public relations headache for New Delhi.

Last year, the prime minister promised zero tolerance of abuse by Indian forces in Kashmir, a pledge clearly intended to win the hearts-and-minds battle there.

The carpenter, Mr. Paddar, seems to have unwittingly instigated a test of that promise. According to interviews with the police as well as the man’s friends and relatives, Mr. Paddar appears to have been well acquainted with at least one of the policeman charged with his murder, Farooq Ahmad Paddar, a native of the same village.

In fact, the carpenter had given the policeman roughly $1,650 in exchange for a promised government job, and for months, according to one of his relatives, the carpenter had pursued the policeman to keep his promise. The job never materialized.

One Friday last December, the policeman summoned the carpenter to a neighborhood of Srinagar, where the carpenter lived, said a co-worker who accompanied him part of the way. That’s when Mr. Paddar disappeared.

The carpenter’s family filed a missing person report, which would have gone nowhere, like hundreds of other missing person reports in Kashmir, were it not for a police investigator who found Mr. Paddar’s cellphone in the hands of a man several miles north of here last week.

According to investigators, the policeman gave away the carpenter’s cellphone, but only after, it seems, he and an unknown number of his colleagues shot him and gave his body to some villagers in Sumbal, a hamlet about an hour’s drive from Srinagar. They buried him.

The police, in a joint operation with a paramilitary unit called the Central Reserve Police Force, meanwhile, issued a statement claiming responsibility for having killed a militant of Pakistani origin.

The discovery of the cellphone led police investigators to Mr. Paddar, the police officer, and three of his colleagues. Eventually, it also led investigators to other graves suspected of being linked to the same murder ring.

According to the police, one victim was a perfume seller, who was picked up last February by the local police, the Central Reserve Police and an army unit known as the Rashtriya Rifles. Another was a local Islamic cleric, who was picked up from his home in October 2005 by the police and the Rashtriya Rifles.

On Thursday afternoon, as teams of police and forensic investigators dug for Mr. Paddar’s remains, hundreds of angry villagers, kept away by a ring of concertina wire, shouted familiar slogans. “Azadi,” or freedom, went one chant. “Hang him,” they also yelled, referring to the killer.

In the angry tussle, bricks were thrown at the police. Tear gas was fired back. Mr. Paddar’s body, pocked with four bullets, including one that tore apart his face, was plucked out of the ground, shrouded in a white cloth, and put inside a simple wooden coffin, all before his grieving father. From the village women came songs of mourning, a familiar chorus in Kashmir.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/06/world/asia/06kashmir.html?_r=1
 
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Same PAF in collaboration with US is doing in Khyber, NWFP, North Wajiristan. Killing Terrorists..
 
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man take care of your home first ....
lots of civilians killed by your own made terrorists ..


there are no one who care about your cry
 
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Same PAF in collaboration with US is doing in Khyber, NWFP, North Wajiristan. Killing Terrorists..

Collateral Damage is different from the instance when IA will single out some people as insurgents & kill them just to fulfill their quota
 
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yes its a genocide a systematic genocide, where there is no check over IA & police, they can kill everyone by labeling them insurgents

There is also a constant inflow of terrorists who attempt to cross the border/LoC between India and Pakistan. Stop aiding and abetting terrorism and the force on the Indian side will reduce automatically making sure, the valley is calm and life becomes normal.
However, that is not what Pakistan wants, right ?
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yeah its an serious problem in india


kill all these crimnals

trying to stop indian development
 
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Collateral Damage is different from the instance when IA will single out some people as insurgents & kill them just to fulfill their quota

That's your way of thinking. As Ejaz rightly said what were they doing at midnight and why did they tried running away? They were timber smuggler when Army patrol challenged them, they prefered to run away. What do you think anybody would have done in such circumstances? We have seen the havoc terrorists has created through out our country so no more naughty business allowed whether in Kashmir or elsewhere.

Just for settling the records, compare the number of civilian deaths happening in NWFP, North wajiristan etc and Kashmir then tell me who is fullfilling their quota better. PAF doesn't even single out people they bomb them in groups.
 
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oh my god

one day all these disgusting terrorist will be gone from india

india willl prosper in full flow
 
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