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[dabong1]

Sorry for the delay in posting back......i didnt see your reply.

If you are talking about elections, they are held quite regularly.

voter turnout does not legitimise alien occupation. For instance, the voter turnout in the 1967 presidential election under U.S. occupation in South Vietnam was even higher. Writing in The New York Times on September 4, 1967, Peter Grose reported: "United States officials were surprised and heartened today at the size of turnout in South Vietnam's presidential election despite a Vietcong terrorist campaign to disrupt the voting. According to reports from Saigon, 83 per cent of the 5.85 million registered voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked reprisals threatened by the Vietcong." The article added: "A successful election has long been seen as the keystone in President Johnson's policy of encouraging the growth of constitutional processes in South Vietnam... . The purpose of the voting was to give legitimacy to the Saigon government..."

If you are talking about referendums, the Shimla Accord agreed to resolve the issue bilaterally. So GoP will first have to revoke the Shimla Accords.

No need for the GoP to revoke the Shimla Accords when it has already been done after the indian invasion of sachin.

(ii) In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the ceasefire of December 17, 1971, shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognised position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations. Both sides further undertake to refrain from the threat or the use of force in violation of this line.

Moreover, the separatists actually want independence, not joiing Pakistan and the UN resolutions and referendum does not allow for that.

Well dont include the question it in the referendum.......even though i think it should be included for sake of being fair.

And if India does win, do we have any guarantee that China will return the part of J&K it occupies?

Include china in the process.

Anyways, many opinion polls have been done on this matter, the most comprehensive one by an Irish group specializing in conflict studies. Below is the relevant poll. It also showed that overwhelming majority preferred a secular J&K. The detailed survey and report can be found on www.peacepolls.org

What makes you think i want a facist-communist-theocracy ect regime to run kashmir?

Like said before...if all the polls show that the kashmiris love india then "why dont you put your money here mouth is" and have a referendum?

 

[Windjammer]

Is it? Does not remotely look like it from the Rahijijat thread now does it? How many pages and posts? And counting? And the winter is not yet over.

The job my friend is just begining ..... whichever side of the border one belongs to. The melting snows will show you exactly where and by how much the goalposts have moved .....

Cheers, Doc

There are facts i am privileged to and you are oblivious of, like the difference between operations, Rahi-e-Nijat and Rah-e-Rast. As Pakistan Army's operations initiated and progressed, it tried and tested new tactics and strategies, like in Swat it started on ground level and worked it's way up into the mountains where as in Waziristan, it hit and cleared the mountain bunkers and hide outs first to deprive the enemy of scouting and cover fire hence the only thing melting snows will reveal at least on our side of border is corpses of enemy fighters. You guys will just have to sit it out .

 

[Windjammer]

Dont need to.. Your govt is doing a pretty good job of giving it to your country..

Between the eyes

A sadistic case indeed,

Much to do about nothing.!!!

 

[DavyJones]

@Windjammer - you sure the terrorists have not melted away into the civilian population - to rise again when the time is right!

 

[Windjammer]

@Windjammer - you sure the terrorists have not melted away into the civilian population - to rise again when the time is right!

In actual fact the civilian Lashkars or committees are taking the toll of Talibans since the locals can easily identify any outside culprits hence every day Taliban corpses are cropping up outside Villages.

 

[Peshwa]

One reason why you are not able to solve Kashmir and bring down unrest there is the reason because you believe "Problem Lies Out There". Keep imagining this problem is arriving entirely from across the border and I hope you will solve it sometime soon.

Practice what you preach....

May I remind you of TTP, Balochistan.....and other flights of fantasy?...

 

[Peshwa]

What do India think they will get by not letting Kashmir there freedom. Indian human rights tell most of story what happens there. Its for some reason no neutral media is allowed in Kashmir.

As Pakistan always said follow UN Resulation which says there should be election in Kashmr

Please learn to follow the Shimla accord (Another UN mandated treaty) that superceeds a non-binding UN resolution of '47.....

Rhetoric is kinda old....I dont think your own govt cares much for it either.....

 

[dabong1]

Please learn to follow the Shimla accord (Another UN mandated treaty) that superceeds a non-binding UN resolution of '47.....

Shimla accord
(ii) In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the ceasefire of December 17, 1971, shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognised position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations. Both sides further undertake to refrain from the threat or the use of force in violation of this line.
Simla Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I hope you understand that india broke the agreement after the invasion of sachin so it is thus void.

non-binding UN resolution of '47.....

All UN resoultions are non binding!

"All United Nations General Assembly resolutions that are not about matters internal to the UN (such as the structure of the UN or the creation of UN agencies) are inherently and explicitly (in the UN Charter) non-binding."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-binding_resolution

 

[Gazzi]

Personally, no sympathy for these state sponsored terrorist Indian soldiers. They deserved their fate......let them all meet this fate as long as they continue their oppression, keep sending bodies back to their families just like the orphans they have made in Kashmir.....to hell with their dead

 

[Windjammer]

A common tactic used by the weak to go on "mardangi" and "martial prowess"....

We dont care whether we live up to your standards....as long as Kashmir is India we will do what it takes.....

besides our theory is....."Naa rahega baas na bajegi basuri"......

Standing on the boundary shouting for your team is one thing but playing the game on the field is a different ball game. The theory didn't seem to work for the last two decades, now it seems more declined to, "Nach na janey, Angan tera"..........!!!!!.

 

[EjazR]

Rising Kashmir, Daily Newspaper, Srinagar Jammu and Kashmir - Police employing ‘carrot and stick’ against stone throwers

Abid Bashir
Srinagar, Jan 29: In what could be termed as a “carrot and stick policy”, police has decided to launch area-wise counseling to dissuade youth from stone pelting after slapping Public Safety Acts (PSAs) against some of the stone throwers.

Sources said police has prepared a list of stone throwers with the help of CID and CIK in different police stations. “We have got all their antecedents and even possess their photographs”, they said.
A police officer, who has been assigned the job to prepare list of habitual stone throwers in Lal Chowk area said, “We have identified some 10 to 15 stone throwers in Maisuma. Some of them are young, who can be motivated to give-up stone pelting through counseling while others need to be dealt sternly and should be booked under PSA.”
A police official posted in Nowhatta police station said the stone pelters are given at least four to five chances before being booked under PSA. “If a same person lands in the police station more than three times, he is either a paid agent or a habitual stone pelter. We let him go. But if he continues to participate in stone pelting then we won’t let him go. We will detain him and see how court deals with him,” he said.
He said they have received strong directions from the government to take concrete measures to ensure that stone pelting incidents don’t happen in the city after Darbar returns to Valley in May.
A top police officer, wishing not be named, told Rising Kashmir that police has already started counseling programs in some areas to persuade youth to refrain from stone pelting. “We have succeeded to dissuade many youth from stone pelting. After keeping watch on them, we can say with surety that our counseling efforts are bearing fruits,” he said.
The official said the counseling is being done both—individually and group wise. “We first identify the youth, who are not paid agents but take part in stone pelting. Then they are being counseled and motivated to give-up stone pelting. On occasions, the counseling takes more than a week,” he said adding, “Counseling of more than one youth is also being carried out at a given time.”
IGP Kashmir range, Farooq Ahmad said the counseling of stone throwers has started yielding positive results. “It is proving to be a success”.
“We are focusing on ‘paid stone pelters’. There are some youth who are being paid by various agencies to foment trouble. We don’t have problems with the youth in general,” he said.
IGP said police will be cracking whip on the paid stone throwers.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Lol the last part cracked me up.Bloody cheap media.

 

[Peshwa]

Shimla accord
(ii) In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the ceasefire of December 17, 1971, shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognised position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations. Both sides further undertake to refrain from the threat or the use of force in violation of this line.
Simla Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I hope you understand that india broke the agreement after the invasion of sachin so it is thus void.

Please read......

"The 1972 Simla Agreement did not clearly mention who controlled the glacier, merely stating that from the NJ9842 location the boundary would proceed "thence north to the glaciers." UN officials presumed there would be no dispute between India and Pakistan over such a cold and barren region[6]"

You cannot call Siachen a violation on grounds of the fact that there was no demarcated boundary.....Early bird got the worm....
Besides, sending expeditions to Siachen without actually informing India is very legit right?....You got played at your own game....

Dont blame us for the lack of attention to detail by the UN....You can take it up with them.....

But I can tell you this much that "Kargil" was definitely a violation of the agreement especially in light of the fake gestures of peace at Lahore...."Bagal mein Churi Moon main Ram Ram"....is the only way to describe this back stabbing.....

All UN resoultions are non binding!

"All United Nations General Assembly resolutions that are not about matters internal to the UN (such as the structure of the UN or the creation of UN agencies) are inherently and explicitly (in the UN Charter) non-binding."
Non-binding resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you only validate my point.....

We have no obligation to conduct a "plebiscite" that Pakistan tries to stick down everyones throat.....
So whats the hulabaloo about?

Besides I think Kofi Annan agreed with us too on the fact that '47 agreement is outdated....

 

[Hammy007]

What a bunch of idiots, what do they think they will achieve by fighting?

They will be cornered and killed like dogs, may the fallen soldiers rest in peace. If a bunch of rag tag cave dwelling illiterate bastards think they can bend a country of 1.2 billion people to their whims and fancies they have another thing coming. We can keep going till there is no one left to fight

and what your stupid army will achieve by forcing people to bend by torturing killing and raping them???

 

[Windjammer]

Pakistan obviously doesnt know much about "Playing the game on the field".....Using substitutes is how your team decides to play the game and prove its "prowess"....Obviously Pakistanis shouldnt be the ones lecturing us about standing on the boundary lines.....

Only problem is 2 decades of losses and your team is still "unfit" to play.....
Dont blame us if you're too chicken to take up the real fight.....

Really, it so seems you guys have even learned a thin or two from our experience, and we have equally proved to friends and foes as to how it's done and others had to swallow the bitter pill to acknowledge our prowess and determination.
My dear Peshwa, "Ulta Chour Kutwal ko dantey"
I wonder who chickened out after assembling a million troops on the border and a year later withdrawing unilaterally.