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[vsdoc]

Thanks Halaku.

Now you know why Indians can't muster the energy or enthusiasm to even respond to Pakistani BS about the independent autonomous paradise that is Azad Kashmir, the lack of civil unrest and demonstrations, the tranquil peace, etc. etc. etc.

Pakistanis here who love their Kasmiri brethren so deeply should go out into the streets in protest about this.

In solidarity, so will we Indians.

Truly shameful and barbaric behaviour of the so called "liberators" towards those they claim to have "liberated."

What could be the reason?

The "liberated" having discovered that their "still captive" brethren are leading far better lives than them in a far more prosperous and peaceful and progressive environment ..... with freedom and democracy?

Or the "liberated" never wanting or needing to be "liberated" in the first place, struggling to go back into the "Indian shackles" once more?

I really wonder ......

Cheers, Doc

 

[EjazR]

Are there any english or urdu news websites based in Muzaffarabad or Gilgit-Baltistan area? There seems to be a lack of dailies/weeklies reporting from the local area. Or I may just have no knowledge about them. I would expect local papers to report more about their own area and day to day problems they face obviously rather than be focused on news across the border only.

Some online websites that are based out of Srinagar are
rising kashmir
greater kashmir
kashmir times

Srinagar times is a well known urdu paper as well.

 

[PWFI]

hahaha, i love indian prapoganda! hhahaha!
are you or

 

[EjazR]

^^^^The Asian Human Rights Commission is based in Hong Kong. So if you still consider it propaganda, it would be more accurate to call it Chinese propaganda.

 

[Bullhead]

And India calls itself the 'worlds largest democracy.' They should be ashamed of themselves.

Yes we Indians are really ashamed of ourselves...because we are still one country dispite of multiple attempts...by our neighbours..... the whole world is investing India..and not in Pakistan...... India is one of the contributors to world bank...and Pakistan is one country rescued by world bank and was on verge of bankruptsy....we are ashamed that we are not ruled by dictators...for more than 70 percent of time since creation......we are ashamed that we have been able to succesfully beat every pakistani attempt to break India....and oh yes....India por...india bad India terrorist...India draconian...and India conspiracy....did I miss anything...

 

[Icarus]

ours is a true secular country because once its president was a muslim and present PM is a sikh . The place i live we celebrate any festival together may it ID or DIVALLI or RAMJAN

Buddy its not Ramjan, it's Ramzan in Urdu and Ramadan in Arabic and secondly, it's not a festival it's a month in the Islamic calender in which muslims fast.

True Democracy=3000 muslims burnt alive in Gujrat ? or 15th Century mosque destroyed by saffron terrorists ? Take your pick.............

 

[Icarus]

Dear Jana if it was that simple, Great Islam Republic of Pakistan with Nuclear aresanal could have solved it 15 years ago. Isn't it surprising the game of victim is played on and on, yet there is not substance from the Pakistanie side. Let me repeat Substance, beside religious card. It's like in America if a black man gets hurt, it becomes a racism issue, Racisim Card, find sound correlation.

I thought we Indian's where black, but yet you are sounding one!!!! Just my observation.

Ok then, lets play other than the religious card..........................how does the geographical card sound ????????????
Here I go, Pakistan also has a right to kashmir as we have a HUGE border linking Pakistan to Kashmir, whereas in India, had the town of Ghazipore not been given to India during partition, India would not have had any link with Kashmir................Kashmir is a part of India by 1 road...............

 

[Aslan]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
AHRC-STM-254-2009
December 18, 2009

A Statement by the Asian Human Rights Commission

PAKISTAN: Colonel Hamza of the ISI must be prosecuted for abduction, illegal detention and torture of young men from Pakistani Kashmir

Three young men from the Pakistani part of Kashmir, abducted by an army Lieutenant Colonel and officials of Frontier Corp were released by their captives after the warning that they should not reveal that where they were held in captivity and tortured or the identities of those who had abducted them. The men were severely tortured and abused in Bala Hisar fort near Peshawar, the capital of the North West Frontier Province (NWFP), for 21 days. Please see AHRC's urgent appeal for their illegal arrest by the high official of notorious state intelligence agency, the ISI;
PAKISTAN: An army colonel has had four men abducted and tortured due to a personal dispute, in Pakistan-held Kashmir

Three out of the four persons illegally arrested by the ISI colonel and Frontier Corp (FC), were released on the night of December 14 and thrown out on the road side near Peshawar city. Before their release Colonel Hamza of ISI and other officials of the FC abused them physically and threatened them not to tell anyone about their illegal detention in Bala Hisar otherwise they would face dire consequences. The police have also refused to entertain the complaint of the abducted men as a Lieutenant Colonel of the ISI is involved.

Pakistani held Kashmir, generally known as Azad Jammu and Kasmir (AJK), has been a sensitive state for the Pakistani military because of its claim on Indian part of the Kashmir which is part of the unfinished agenda with the separation of Pakistan from India. The presence of state intelligence agencies, particularly, the ISI in Pakistani held Kashmir means that the people are not allowed to carry out their social and political activities without inference. There are only four major offices in the city of Muzaffarabad, the capital of AJK which has a population of 3.2 million, besides many other offices in the state. The police cannot interfere in the affairs of ISI as it claims that it is working in the national interests of the country in the presence of great potential threats from neighbouring India.

The Inspector General of Police (IGP) was appointed by the government of Pakistan from the Pakistan police force so he is unfamiliar with the local situation and all affairs related to law and order situation are dependent on the ISI.

In the case of abduction, arrest and torture of the four young men the whole affair was illegal and a direct threat to the independent governance of the state. Lieutenant Colonel Hamza was posted in the office of ISI Peshawar, capital of North West Frontier Province (NWFP), Pakistan, and he has no jurisdiction to operate in AJK. Neither do the officials of the Frontier Corp have jurisdiction there. According to the law they can operate only in the NWFP. However, being a powerful group they take advantage of their militaristic status to operate illegally anywhere they wish. The Colonel and officials of the FC illegally took the detainees to another province without the permission of an independent state which has its own laws and government. This case is another example and ample proof that the military forces consider themselves above the law. The local police are also powerless before the ISI and FC who undermine the law of the land.

The Asian Human Rights Commission urges the government of Pakistan to initiate an inquiry into the matter of the abduction, illegal detention and torture of four young men from Azad Jammu Kashmir by Lieutenant Colonel Hamza of ISI, based in Peshawar, capital of NWFP, and by officials of the Frontier Corp. The military officials should be punished for violating the rights of the people recognized by the constitution and supposedly protected by the laws of Pakistan. The government should also protect the people of Pakistani Kashmir, the AJK, from the illegal acts of its notorious intelligence agency, the ISI and FC. The abducted and tortured young men should be paid compensation for their ordeal and a police case should also be filed against Lieutenant Colonel Hamza and the concerned officials of Frontier Corp.

Seriously before using such an article to flam against Pakistan and trying to prove that the whole of AK is not azad because one Colonel had a dispute with some guys and misuses his powers. This is common in any 3rd world country including India if a man with power is having a dispute with some 3rd party he sometimes tend to use his powers in a wrongful manner. But that does not implies the whole of Pakistan in relation to the AK. Though this practice is not right and i in no way shape or form condone it but that really is a weak argument to be basing yours on. The gov of Pakistan should take actions against these kind of individuals but you sir should look into your own self and see that your army in IOK is doing all of this on a state approved bases. And have all the GOI's blessings and not only that they have known to rape and kill for pleasures sake so what shall we call that.

 

[Aslan]

Thanks Halaku.

Now you know why Indians can't muster the energy or enthusiasm to even respond to Pakistani BS about the independent autonomous paradise that is Azad Kashmir, the lack of civil unrest and demonstrations, the tranquil peace, etc. etc. etc.

Pakistanis here who love their Kasmiri brethren so deeply should go out into the streets in protest about this.

In solidarity, so will we Indians.

Truly shameful and barbaric behaviour of the so called "liberators" towards those they claim to have "liberated."

What could be the reason?

The "liberated" having discovered that their "still captive" brethren are leading far better lives than them in a far more prosperous and peaceful and progressive environment ..... with freedom and democracy?

Or the "liberated" never wanting or needing to be "liberated" in the first place, struggling to go back into the "Indian shackles" once more?

I really wonder ......

Cheers, Doc

you know one has to be a besharam of highest level to compete with you guys and i am sure that will still end up losing. You are taking an isolated incident and that also of abuse of power on individual bases and am sure that it will not go unnoticed. And yet you guys so vigorously defend when your own army is killing and raping women in IOk and then change the reports citing that the original one was fabricated because of public pressure.

 

[Icarus]

Yes we Indians are really ashamed of ourselves...because we are still one country dispite of multiple attempts...by our neighbours..... the whole world is investing India..and not in Pakistan...... India is one of the contributors to world bank...and Pakistan is one country rescued by world bank and was on verge of bankruptsy....we are ashamed that we are not ruled by dictators...for more than 70 percent of time since creation......we are ashamed that we have been able to succesfully beat every pakistani attempt to break India....and oh yes....India por...india bad India terrorist...India draconian...and India conspiracy....did I miss anything...

Hey cow man, stop talkin Bull----, let me bring to you the real picture of "not so Incredible India"
1) Most number of malnourished in any one country.
2) Most number of people deprived of basic infrastructure in any one country.
3) On the US minorities rights watch list.
4) Largest number of underage sex workers.
5) Largest number of aids patients in any one country.
6) Often goes through "Purification" when minorities are killed in large numbers, recent occurrences in Gujrat and Orissa.
7) With a military that is charged with the most non-war crime, human rights abuses.
8) Agricultural country yet retains the world's highest farmer suicide rate.
We may not be the perfect "Dream Nation" but neither are you.....
Now my Friend you can be ashamed............................

 

[TaimiKhan]

^^^^The Asian Human Rights Commission is based in Hong Kong. So if you still consider it propaganda, it would be more accurate to call it Chinese propaganda.

Honk Kong is under Chinese control but the laws are not fully of China, there have been many liberties given to it after it was handed over by the British. Have you ever heard of things happening in Hong Kong which happen in China ?? Don't think so.

Plus same AHRC published a report which was thankfully posted by one of the Indian members as it was maligning PA for using one baloch girl as a prostitute somewhere in Karachi, which had not one but many many factual inconsistencies. Even one Chinese member posted material from a blog rebutting the story with dozens of factual misrepresentation and lies.

Its your free will what you guys wish to take as truth and what as a lie. Being Indian, definitely you guys will not say any of such news to be a lie as Indians on this forum love Pakistan bashing articles even if proven to be a bunch of lies.

I don't get if, if AHRC can print such report, why we haven't seen any such thing from HRCP or in our media which are quiet vocal about such things no matter where it happens. If they can raise voices of foul play with captured TTP villains then how come they leave aside a Kashmiri person who went through such ordeal.

I do hope you guys have read Pakistani media enough to know that we have no such restrictions and stories more brutal then such and from much more sensitive places come on air.

Anyhow its like no matter what i say.

 

[grey boy 2]

^^^^The Asian Human Rights Commission is based in Hong Kong. So if you still consider it propaganda, it would be more accurate to call it Chinese propaganda.

The Human Rights Commision based in HongKong run by the same

foreign people as the British colony era, so it had nothing to do with

China.

The much-praised solution is known as "one-country, two-systems" and promised to let local people administer the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (SAR) with a "high degree of autonomy" for 50 years. These promises were widely publicized and carved in stone or the next best thing. A Basic Law mini-constitution was promulgated by Beijing to cover the years from 1997 to 2047, during which the "capitalist system and way of life" would "remain unchanged" and the "socialist system and policies" would not be practiced (Article 5).
China Elections and Governance | The Carter Center

 

[vsdoc]

What is a Pakistani colonel doing in "Azad" Kashmir in the first place?

Please stop the sham guys ..... people here from our side of the border were not born yesterday.

Lets call a spade a spade shall we?

You want Kashmir ..... We have Kashmir.

You tried taking Kashmir militarily ..... we still have Kashmir.

You tried inciting the people against us using the Islam card ..... we still have Kashmir.

You ran to the UN, then the US, then China ..... we still have Kashmir.

You sent your jihadi scum to shoot and bomb Indians ...... we still have Kashmir.

And we will keep Kashmir ...... in spite of your best efforts.

And what did you get for your pains these past 62 years?

You got 30% of mainly uninhabited mountainous Kashmir.

..... You got Bangladesh.

..... You got Siachen.

..... You got Kargil.

..... And now you have SWAT.

..... And FATA/NWFP.

..... And Waziristan.

..... And terror perched on the outskirts of your biggest cities.

..... And of course you always had Balochistan.

Hope someone out there is keeping score.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Aslan]

What is a Pakistani colonel doing in "Azad" Kashmir in the first place?

Please stop the sham guys ..... people here from our side of the border were not born yesterday.

Lets call a spade a spade shall we?

You want Kashmir ..... We have Kashmir.

You tried taking Kashmir militarily ..... we still have Kashmir.

You tried inciting the people against us using the Islam card ..... we still have Kashmir.

You ran to the UN, then the US, then China ..... we still have Kashmir.

You sent your jihadi scum to shoot and bomb Indians ...... we still have Kashmir.

And we will keep Kashmir ...... in spite of your best efforts.

And what did you get for your pains these past 62 years?

You got 30% of mainly uninhabited mountainous Kashmir.

..... You got Bangladesh.

..... You got Siachen.

..... You got Kargil.

..... And now you have SWAT.

..... And FATA/NWFP.

..... And Waziristan.

..... And terror perched on the outskirts of your biggest cities.

..... And of course you always had Balochistan.

Hope someone out there is keeping score.

Cheers, Doc

And you forgot that your peace loving india was a main catalyst in all of the above equations and that is exporting terrorism to Pakistan.
-Siachin invaded by india on false grounds.
-Kashmir never belonged to you guys and then why do you guys keep forgetting that it was your pundit that went running to UN.
-Waziristan, Baluchistan, and many other mainland areas that belong to Pakistan are non of your bloody business. Its a funny world we are facing issues that we had a hand in. Well you guys will have it coming to you sooner rather then latter.
And don't give me the Bis BS about showing you the proof. Bangladesh is there for all to see and how your gov had a big hand to play in the internal affair of a sovereign country.

And on a side note you are taking a very unfair advantage you and many others like you keep running your ***** about Pakistan and yet your own forums are full of scums that cant even tolerate the truth. So keep the tone low I would suggest or may be in your county they never though you how to respect the host.

And as far as the army presence in Kashmir is concerned, who do you think is responsible for security. Or are you that delusional.

 

[vsdoc]

And you forgot that your peace loving india was a main catalyst in all of the above equations and that is exporting terrorism to Pakistan.
-Siachin invaded by india on false grounds.
-Kashmir never belonged to you guys and then why do you guys keep forgetting that it was your pundit that went running to UN.
-Waziristan, Baluchistan, and many other mainland areas that belong to Pakistan are non of your bloody business. Its a funny world we are facing issues that we had a hand in. Well you guys will have it coming to you sooner rather then latter.
And don't give me the Bis BS about showing you the proof. Bangladesh is there for all to see and how your gov had a big hand to play in the internal affair of a sovereign country.

And on a side note you are taking a very unfair advantage you and many others like you keep running your ***** about Pakistan and yet your own forums are full of scums that cant even tolerate the truth. So keep the tone low I would suggest or may be in your county they never though you how to respect the host.

And as far as the army presence in Kashmir is concerned, who do you think is responsible for security. Or are you that delusional.

Khalid saab don't get excited.

As I've said before, there is nothing that Pakistan can do to India, which India cannot rain down on Pakistan a hundredfold.

Newton's Law (forget which one) - every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

In real polity, however, the "equal" part of the equation often goes for a toss.

As for your last statement, no arguments there. You have taken a part of our land by force, and the only way you will hold that land is by force.

I was merely pointing out the SHAM of then calling it Azad Kashmir in the first place ..... the topic of discussion here, and nothing to do with "disrespecting the host" (is that all you can resort to in a debate?).

Cheers, Doc