rajeev
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A little correction, Pakistan was created on the basis of Islamic faith, not India. FYI, India chose to remain secular. Though there was a feeble attempt by Pakistan to paint itself secular, that really hasn't happened and now everyone can very well see where those paths led us to!So your saying pakistan and india where not split along the lines of faith...?
So you think the chinese are going to shout out loud they have got themselfs into the kashmir game and that they support the kashmiris.
Pakistan "handed" over a part of J&K to China. It now becomes Pakistan's prerogative to get it back from China if it wants a meaningful dialogue with India, so basically its your problem. As far as India is concerned China can take a hike when it comes to Kashmir, which they probably will do considering a few aces Indians have up their sleeve. There is a very good reason why China hasnt been making any noises about kashmir (those bites done privately to satisfy Pakistani "establishment" dont count and dont really translate into action!).The only people who are not happy with china getting a foothold in the kashmir problem is the indians.......if you want china to give up its bit of kashmir then there has to be a three way process....china-pakistan-india
A little correction, Pakistan was created on the basis of Islamic faith, not India. FYI, India chose to remain secular. Though there was a feeble attempt by Pakistan to paint itself secular, that really hasn't happened and now everyone can very well see where those paths led us to!
Doesn't matter what the Swedish ambassador said. He also said that he wants to understand the separatist perspective. You are not big on quoting that part though.Eu has said that Kashmir (J&K) is an integral part of India. China cannot meddle in Kashmir because it has its own skeletons in its closet and also has its own vested interests. Read these links..
from this thread:
Disputed Kashmir Serves Chinas Interests
and this thread
J & K integral part of India: EU
Kashmir integral part of India: EU
EU
Princely states enjoyed three options: accession to India, accession to Pakistan, or independence. But the choice, according to India's Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru and tacitly endorsed by the British, was to be made by popular referendum in cases where the creed of the ruler varied from the religion of the majority. That fundamental democratic principle had been sternly applied by Nehru with military means in Hyderabad and Junagadh where the rulers were Muslim but their inhabitants largely Hindu. Kashmir presented a converse case: the Maharaja was Hindu but the majority subscribed to Islam.
On November 2, 1947, Prime Minister Nehru reiterated, We have declared that the fate of Kashmir is ultimately to be decided by the people. That pledge we have given and the Maharaja supported it, not only to the people of Kashmir but to the world. We will not and cannot back out of it."
Pakistan did not "hand" anything over. Once again your lack of coherent facts shine through. Maybe you should consider knowing the first thing about Kashmir before you start ranting again? Just a thought.Pakistan "handed" over a part of J&K to China. It now becomes Pakistan's prerogative to get it back from China if it wants a meaningful dialogue with India, so basically its your problem. As far as India is concerned China can take a hike when it comes to Kashmir, which they probably will do considering a few aces Indians have up their sleeve. There is a very good reason why China hasnt been making any noises about kashmir (those bites done privately to satisfy Pakistani "establishment" dont count and dont really translate into action!).
Statements likes these simply show off your stupidity and ignorance on the little part of history called the British Raj of the subcontinent. No wonder many Indians tend to be inept at understanding complex political situations when they insist on summing everything up with one liners.
If you cant handle a real debate, this is probably not the forum for you.
Pakistan did not "hand" anything over. Once again your lack of coherent facts shine through. Maybe you should consider knowing the first thing about Kashmir before you start ranting again? Just a thought.
It seems your COAS is showing the same degree of 'stupidity' and 'ignorance' like gubbi, by thinking out loud that Pakistan was created on the basis of 'Islamic faith'.Statements likes these simply show off your stupidity and ignorance on the little part of history called the British Raj of the subcontinent. No wonder many Indians tend to be inept at understanding complex political situations when they insist on summing everything up with one liners.
If you cant handle a real debate, this is probably not the forum for you.
If you want to know why Pakistan gained independence separately from India you should familiarise yourself with the lives and works of Jinnah and Allama Iqbal.
India is the problem in kashmir.......what role can you guys play other then pull the occupation forces out and give a free vote to the people of kashmir to see what they want.......after all you indians keep telling us that the kashmiris love india so you would have no problem with the vote considering your going to win?
India's stand on J&K is the same as that of China on Tibet - its ours & shall stay that way.
So on one hand you agree that china has a part of kashmir but you dont want then involved in any peace process but you want the chinese to give up there bit.
Mr. ThinkTank, why was Pakistan created, by partitioning Indian subcontinent? To satisfy those old egomaniacs or their thirst for power or as a supposed emancipation for the Muslims of the subcontinent? Ah complicated politics you say? Pray, do enlighten us as to the reasons for Pakistan's creation!Statements likes these simply show off your stupidity and ignorance on the little part of history called the British Raj of the subcontinent. No wonder many Indians tend to be inept at understanding complex political situations when they insist on summing everything up with one liners.
What debate? I just stated facts! I see, you dont like facts!If you cant handle a real debate, this is probably not the forum for you.
I have read enough about them, and FYI I really wish Pakistan had charted out a course what Jinnah had envisioned as per his speech! Alas, that was not to be and I really have my doubts that after creating Pakistan (if only partly) based on religion, whether he really meant what he said in that speech.If you want to know why Pakistan gained independence separately from India you should familiarise yourself with the lives and works of Jinnah and Allama Iqbal.
For you it may not matter, but in diplomatic circles it a very big victory. It effectively blocks Pakistan's pov in the EU and that is one major power block in the world. Rest will be won over slowly and surely, you will have nowhere to go then.Doesn't matter what the Swedish ambassador said. He also said that he wants to understand the separatist perspective. You are not big on quoting that part though.
Oh please do reread real history and check out the part of J&K that Pakistan handed over to China. Brush up your history.Pakistan did not "hand" anything over. Once again your lack of coherent facts shine through. Maybe you should consider knowing the first thing about Kashmir before you start ranting again? Just a thought.
You wish! But the realities are different, my friend. China cannot do anything regarding Kashmir and will always tow Indian pov. As for allies, you need not lose sleep, we've got plenty! In our own neighborhood!As for "Aces up your sleeves", India will need plenty considering that you barely have any allies in the region.
Well your primeminister should also have made the effort of interacting with the people in waziristan some time.Oh wait but there are indian sponsored terrorists all over in that area. I wonder who sponsors the terrorists infiltrating into J&KHas the Indian Prime Minister interacted with the Kashmiri people like Pakistan's Prime Minister has.
Well your primeminister should also have made the effort of interacting with the people in waziristan some time.Oh wait but there are indian sponsored terrorists all over in that area. I wonder who sponsors the terrorists infiltrating into J&K
The point is..........................................What exactly is the point of your posts anyway?
So there's no Indian sponsored terrorism in Pakistan