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I can see a lot of blasts in which no one was killed or injured. WTF?

Most of these include insignificant blasts, 1 person injured, 2 people injured, etc. Overall, the numbers have significantly come down in last 8 months or so, and that's obviously observable. Yeah, it's still not pretty, but it's better than before.

Really??

Month # Killed Injured
Jan 42 167 217
Feb 32 134 486
Mar 40 133 392
Apr 41 174 363
May 24 129 161
Jun 20 11 44
Jul 50 196 438
Aug 39 60 144
Sep 43 192 618
Oct 39 53 139
Nov 20 103 102
Total 390 1352 3104

Seems to be a pretty stable trend, and July has been the worst. Except November where 1st week itself has higher casualties than Oct..
 
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Ok, well, then they have to provide links and evidence.

Though my point is that bharatis are not really asking for any evidence for these assertions. Which is obviously quite hypocritical (though not the first time, again) given their past record on these sorts of things.

I dont think Pakistanis were asking proofs in the threads about Arundhati Roy and Jawed Naqui's articles. Were they?
 
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I think you need to read my post again. What I am saying is, it used to be worse before. By "observable", I mean the number of terrorist attacks that are in the news. It's much lower than previously. Now if you want to make the argument that it's still high, then yes sure, but it's much better than before.
 
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I dont think Pakistanis were asking proofs in the threads about Arundhati Roy and Jawed Naqui's articles. Were they?

You're comparing apples with oranges. What the above two individuals are talking about are mostly public things that are well known. Not the case here.

OTOH, again, bharatis have shown some sort of a moral highground when it comes to believing in conspiracy theories and circulating the conspiracy theories. All the talk about Pakistanis being insane and all that and shifting blame and bharatis being logical and rational, etc.
 
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@ Karan: You can't wake people who pretend to be asleep. Save the effort my dear friend

You mean we're not accepting allegations which are not proven? Yeah. Well that's what you'd like to call sleeping, but it's obviously not what you're making it to be.
 
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You mean we're not accepting allegations which are not proven? Yeah. Well that's what you'd like to call sleeping, but it's obviously not what you're making it to be.

My comment was meant to implore him to stop trying to convince you (not all Pakistanis).

On-topic: No one has the right to tell Pakistan what to do for their progress. It is purely Pakistani people's responsibility to chart their course. If that means continuing the struggle against India, then by all means go for it. You are a sovereign nation and have every right to decide what's good for you.
 
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Obama’s visit to India and his complete surrender before Indian demands seem to have surprised many in Pakistan, especially the Foreign Office which seems to have been asleep while preparations for the visit were being made and many telling statements were already coming out of Washington. Now suddenly they have woken up and started mutterings in response to the Obama statement assuring India of US support in its bid for a permanent seat in the UN Security Council. Much is being made of the fact that the US has effectively endorsed Indian state terrorism in Occupied Kashmir and Indian contravention of UNSC resolutions – not really expected behaviour from a state seeking to enter the UNSC’s select group of permanent members. That this makes a mockery of the UN is rather apparent, but the UN has become a bit of a bad joke on issues of peace and security – its primary function ever since the end of bipolarity and the US abuse of the UN for its own purposes – from the Iraq war under the notion of “coalition of the willing” to Afghanistan and the rubber stamping of the NATO coup over ISAF.

The status of the UN should have been apparent when the US pushed for a compliant Secretary General from South Korea and Ban Ki-moon has not disappointed the US, nor its strategic partner India, with his bizarre approach to the human rights abuses in Occupied Kashmir!

Of course, everyone is trying to explain how it is the Indian economy and its vast market that has pushed the US into the Hindutva lap, but that is only part of the picture. True the Indian market is vast and orders placed for US goods will help the presently-strapped US economy, especially in terms of saving jobs and so on – especially in the strategic arms and dual-use technology sectors, including the nuclear industry. In fact, India and the US have been signing vast arms deals since the 2000 Vision Document signed between Clinton and the Indians which formalised what was already an evolving strategic relationship. And within the present context, the US has already signed a huge jets deal with Saudi Arabia worth $60 billion so it is not as if India has been singled out solely in terms of trade and arms deals.

No. India is being given all these goodies because India has been singled out as a strategic partner for the US – so it is not trade and markets that have played the major role, but the strategic politico-military role that has led to the trade deals which, apart from the easing of export controls for dual-use technology transfers and the nuclear component, are not so unique. After all, China is also a major trading partner of the US and Saudi Arabia is a major weapons buyer, but they do not get the export control exceptions for sensitive technologies and other strategic privileges that are being conceded to India. So those Indian apologists, who are trying to tell Pakistanis that if we can straighten out our economy we will be able to get the US to give us similar trade deals, should know that the issue of concern for Pakistan is something totally different – or at least it should be.

This issue of concern is the way Pakistan is viewed by the US – both the government and the media. If one wants to really understand how poorly – in fact downright demeaning – the Americans think of Pakistan a quick read of the new Woodward book, Obama’s Wars, will put the record straight. The hate and suspicion that lie in the minds of all the players in the US administration and establishment – players such as Bruce Reidel – comes out at every opportunity. The 9/11 trauma still haunts the US psyche and we are their easiest target for a variety of reasons – our commitment to Muslim causes and our nuclear capability being two factors. Our ISI is seen as duplicitous, while the CIA is innocently upfront and straight; General Kayani is labelled a “liar” in no uncertain terms and President Zardari is regarded at best as inept and totally out of it as far as any understanding of issues is concerned! The quotes from the latter also betray the total contempt in which our own leaders hold their people. Perhaps, the most telling statement is from Ambassador Haqqani on what he thinks Pakistan is all about.

Any Pakistani, who had even an iota of faith in Haqqani doing good by Pakistan, will be left in no doubt as to how Haqqani views his country and the people in it. Of course, for some his views were already crystal clear in his book, Pakistan: Between Mosque and Military.
However, it is our fault because despite clear signals from the Americans, our leaders continue to lay themselves prostrate before the US and its destructive demands. In return, all they get is more intrusive behaviour on the part of the US – be it through the Kerry-Lugar Act or the IMF. As of now, the US is going to have access in all our Ministries with their people placed there to ‘ensure’ the aid being given is spent ‘properly’. In addition, vast amounts of money are being poured in to ‘win’ over crucial segments of civil society like the media. Meanwhile, the hard payments that are owed to us like the Coalition Support Fund are still outstanding, while we have already incurred the costs. Perhaps the most stark reflection of the barely concealed hate and disgust with which Pakistan’s leaders and the nation are viewed by the US is the drone killings, the disrespect for the law within Pakistan by US citizens, and the cavalier manner in which NATO intrudes into Pakistani territory and kills its citizens at will. And why shouldn’t the leaders and nation be viewed in this fashion by the US, when leaders acquiesce to these actions and our people are seemingly helpless in altering their leaders’ mindsets.

The real question for us is how much more abuse we are going to suffer at the hands of the Americans before we realise that we do not have common strategic goals; that the so-called Strategic Dialogue was merely a farce where nothing strategic was discussed amongst two strategic partners; and that the US is moving fast to make us a client state where eventually they will also control our nuclear assets.

However, we are not really as helpless as our leaders would have us believe. After all, the US presently needs us more than we need them and we should assert ourselves and seek a renegotiation of the terms of our cooperation with them, including in terms of access to Afghanistan. One drone brought down by the PAF, which has claimed it has the technical capability, will send the correct message to the US also. As for the economy, if our IMF surrogates were shown the door and more focus was put on collecting taxes from those who should be paying rather than on simply breaking the back of the masses by constantly increasing indirect taxation, and corruption was truly rooted out with the big fish being netted first, there could be an economic turnaround. But for that an honest and dedicated leadership is required and that is invisible.

Unfortunately, until we the nation can truly reject our traditional leaders, we will always be exposed to the murderous designs of the US. This is what lies at the heart of our problem with the US. That is why the US will continue to give nuclear aid and support the Indian bid for the UNSC, while raining down drone missiles and covering each dollar that may reluctantly have to come our way with criticism and abuse!
 
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Kashmir belongs to Pakistan and we will do everything in our power to get it back.
 
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So the proof is some random guy who has the feeling that Pakistan is supporting the extremists?

re-read my statement SMC. I only said some members were asking for BBC's original comments which were the basis of the article posted.
 
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You didn't quite understand what I am saying. It doesn't matter if it's me or all Pakistanis. The point is, if anything, it's you who is sleeping since you're making conspiracy theories and then calling anyone who doesn't accept your story as sleeping.
 
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According to Indian sources there are 500 active militants in Kashmir

Human rights groups put the Indian troops at 500 000 - 700 000

Since June, Indian army has killed 100+ innocent protesters

Lets for a second ignore the numerous reports of fake encounters with militants and take the Indian army's word for the havoc the 500 alleged Pakistani militants create. Its not hard to conclude that the militants and LeT are not the main problem in Kashmir. Blaming the militancy and ignoring Indian army abuses is pure hypocrisy and cannot be taken seriously.
 
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re-read my statement SMC. I only said some members were asking for BBC's original comments which were the basis of the article posted.

Ok, well, in that case, that's not really evidence of any sort. Where is the original article from BBC btw? The one that we have here is from a website in Pakistan.
 
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