Kashmir | News & Discussions.

[toppys]

Half of India will be integral part of Pakistan in the future.

you already have so many issues how will adding india help ;=)

 

[LaBong]

People read it S-L-O-W-L-Y so that you can remember it next time!

No one in India is forced to sing Vande Mataram, they can choose or choose not to sing Vande Mataram at their will. It's not been made national anthem because a large community of India has issues with it.

 

[toppys]

Kashmir is NOT part of India. Kashmir is country that is Troubled by India by invading it.

Kashmir struggle starts from the days of the tyrant Raja not 87.


And for curfews you need to check the facts.

I think pakistan has a part of kashmir. You can start by making it country first. Then we follow. :=)

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

large community being almost 150 million (maybe more?)

thanks for the update!

 

[LaBong]

I think pakistan has a part of kashmir. You can start by making it country first. Then we follow. :=)

No you're horribly wrong! It's Azad Kashmir with different Constitution and etc(don't you dare to go detail of the constitution you evil hindustany!).

And Gilgit Baltistan isn't a part of Kashmir. Period.

 

[KS]

This seems to be logical. I dont think these Kashmiri leaders are viewing it as a Muslim nationhood issue. Its just that they want to be in power rather than the dudes who currently are. All parties currently in power are going to resist that. The question is which Kashmiri side will win? I dont see this as a true struggle for independence, but as a power struggle between multiple parties. A true struggle for independence would have convinced the world by now, especially given all the "Indian atrocities" oft quoted here.

Think again after going through these links.

Geelani rejects any unity with those advocating secularism

Echoing his mentor Maududi, Geelani argues that Kashmir, whether as an independent country, or, ideally, for him, as part of Pakistan, must become an ‘Islamic state'. ‘Our goal is the establishment of Islamic government ( islami hukumat )', he contends. [1] The ‘freedom', he says the Kashmiris are struggling for, ‘is for the sake of Islam'.

Syed Ali Shah Geelani And The Movement For
Political Self-Determination For Jammu And Kashmir

The autumn of Kashmir's Islamist patriarch?


Kashmir's new Islamist movement


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Kashmir was once a political struggle.But it had long ago changed into a religious struggle based on a flawed notion of religious intolerance.

 

[All-Green]

@Abu
India entered Kashmir after it was called. The person who ordered the Army to March in Kashmir was a Kashmiri himself (Nehru is Kashmiri). There was no way Nehru could have checked each and every Kashmiri to ask if they want India to come.

For 40 years there was no demand for separation. That is good enough time to dispute a claim if party disagrees most of people now protesting were not even born in 1947. So we cannot have a plebiscite every time generation changes. People in 1948 never protested for 40 years end of story. Plebisite was between India and Pakistan only.

So when the people in the sub continent were demanding freedom from British Empire, same logic could have satisfied them?
Since it had been a century, the British should have said that most of the states and people did not protest and hence British Raj is the will of the people?
Things are not that simple and sometimes it takes decades before differences in opinion arise and political awareness and awakening occurs which determine the course of a people.

Sadly this is not the end of the story for Kashmiris.
The Kashmiri people in Indian part of Kashmir are out in numbers and protesting against Indian state oppression for many reasons.
One does not see the same thing happening in Pakistani part of Kashmir.
That is the fact of the matter.

If the Kashmiris in India are truly content then they cannot have so much to protest about, especially since India is the economic giant and Pakistan is the struggling economy.
So why do the Kashmiris protest?
It has to be some deep resentment and a breach of trust which has taken decades to worsen to the point that Kashmiris are now openly protesting.

To not see this as a Kashmiri protest and call it a Pakistani sponsored one is quite a stretch of imagination, however this has been the grand conclusion drawn by most in India. Many cite the relative political inactivity of Kashmiris after partition as a reason that Kashmiris should just shut up now...it is not a simple thing and shutting the Kashmiris up by force would worsen the situation, however this seems to be the current mindset in Non Kashmiri India.

India has maintained that only the militants are the problem and they are foreign elements and have no local support, instead they are terrorizing the locals.
These are not militants or foreigners who are in the streets, that much is clearly evident.
This proves that ordinary Kashmiri indeed has some serious issues with India and is not happy despite being part of such a booming economy.

 

[fast and furious]

KASHMIR BANEGA PAKISTAN!

Hum tumharey saath hain.
Kitne saal saath dena padega bus ye baata do bhai.


BTW why the chinese flag.You sure China is going to help.Or are you more than aware that you cant do it alone, since you could not do it for last 60+ years.

 

[prototype]

And what that stand exactly is?

On one hand Pakistan calls for 'plebiscite' without honoring its commitment to UN resolutions, and on the other Pakistan claims that "Kashmir should have been/is ours".

Oh the ambiguity of Pakistan's "moral diplomacy"!

anyway who care what is their stand,Kashmir is with us and will remain so,while all the Pakistani's can live in a land of illusion that it will b theirs 1 day

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

Talking to media after chairing a meeting of standing committee for foreign affairs, Qureshi said that India has been told in equivocal terms that the next session of dialogue should not be result-oriented instead of mere photo session.

Is my english screwed up or is it the so called journalist?

 

[TaimiKhan]

Keep crying and keep holding protests, Pakistani populace has a passion for holding protests for any issue anywhere on the globe!

Meanwhile India doesnt give a damn and keeps forging ahead.

Correction plzzz, Meanwhile India doesnt give a damn and keeps on killing the innocent and dumping them in graves.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

Curfew lifted from almost entire Kashmir Valley

Barring Sopore town, curfew was on Wednesday lifted from the entire Kashmir Valley but normal life was disrupted due to a strike called by hardline faction of Hurriyat Conference.

“Curfew has been lifted from entire Kashmir Valley this morning except some places in Sopore town,” a police spokesman said here.

He said curfew remained in force in Shalipora, Ashpeer, Iqbal Colony, Chankhan and Neharpora areas of the apple town, 52 kms from here.

Curfew was imposed late on Monday night to thwart a planned march by separatists to the Hyderpora residence of hardline Hurriyat leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani on Tuesday.

Normal life was today hit due to a strike called by the hardline faction of Hurriyat as part of its protest calendar.

Shops, banks, private offices and business establishments were closed while public transport was off the roads, official sources said.

However, private vehicles were seen plying on the roads in large numbers and educational institutions were open in view of the annual examinations.

Security force personnel have been deployed at sensitive spots in the city following reports that some elements were planning to disrupt peace in these areas, the sources said.

The Hindu : News / National : Curfew lifted from almost entire Kashmir Valley

 

[SpArK]

Two special task forces for Jammu, Ladakh constituted​

The Government has constituted two special task forces for Jammu and Ladakh regions to examine the allocations in terms of infrastructure needs and make suitable recommendations to overcome the deficiencies.

While Abhijit Sen, a Planning Commission member, will be leading a task force on Jammu, Narendra Jadhav, another Planning Commission member, will be the chairperson of the team on Ladakh, an official notification said on Wednesday.

It said the two task forces have been constituted keeping in view the immediate objectives to maintain peace and order and defuse the situation through confidence building measures.

The decision on forming of three task forces was taken at a meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security headed by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on September 25.

The terms and references of the two task forces would be to identify the special development needs of the region and suggest measures to address them and to examine allocations to the regions in terms of infrastructure needs. They will make suitable recommendations to overcome the deficiencies.

The task forces have been given three months to submit their reports.

Besides Sen, the other members for Jammu task force are Joint Secretary, (Plan Finance-I), Ministry of Finance, Department of Expenditure, Divisional Commissioner (Jammu), Dr Najeeb Jung, Vice Chancellor, Jamia Millia Islamia University and Dr Amaresh Dubey, Prof of Economics, Centre for the Study of Regional Development, School of Social Sciences, JNU. Joint Secretary (Kashmir), Ministry of Home Affairs will be the Convenor.

Besides Jhadav, the task force on Ladakh will comprise Joint Secretary, (Plan Finance-II), Ministry of Finance, Department of Expenditure, Divisional Commissioner, Kashmir, Prof Akhtar Majeed, Director, Centre for Federal Studies and Dean, Faculty of Social Sciences, Hamdard University, Dr Navnita Chadha Behera, Department of Political Science, University of Delhi as members and Director (Kashmir), Ministry of Home Affairs as Convener.

The task forces may co-opt officers of the state government and such other officers of the Central and State Governments as and when necessary. They include Commissioner and Secretary to state government, Principal Secretary, Planning, Development and Ladakh Affairs and Principal Secretary to the Chief Minister.

The notification said the task forces shall be provided with all possible assistance by Ministries and Departments and other agencies under the Central and State Governments to facilitate its task.

The Chairperson and Members shall be treated as state guests during their period of stay and work in the state.

The non-official members shall be entitled to sitting fees in addition. Travel and transportation facilities shall be as admissible to the highest grade of government employees.



The Hindu : News / National : Two special task forces for Jammu, Ladakh constiotuted

 

[Contrarian]

Correction plzzz, Meanwhile India doesnt give a damn and keeps on killing the innocent and dumping them in graves.

Whatever your perception is-It does not really matter. As with time, India grows more powerful, there will be fewer countries who disagree with India. And the bargaining power of Pakistan vis-a-vis India will have reduced further.

Do you think Pakistan(or Islamists in Kashmir) can arm twist India into giving up Kashmir?
You must have realized that Pakistan's bargaining power or influence over India has been consistently declining over the decades. In the grand scheme of things, how does it matter at all.

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Geelani denounced curfew and restrictions in OSJK​

TopNews
Written by KMS
Tuesday, 12 October 2010 18:40

Srinagar, October 12, 2010: All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC) Chairman, Syed Ali Shah Geelani, in a statement issued in Srinagar strongly denouncing the imposition of curfew, said that such tactics could not suppress Kashmiris’ resolve to continue their struggle for right of self-determination.

The authorities imposed strict curfew in all major cities and towns to prevent people from conducting a march towards Hyderpora in Srinagar, today.

Call for the march had been given by Hurriyat leader, Masarrat Aalam Butt to protest against the restrictions imposed by Indian authorities on APHC Chairman, Syed Ali Geelani, who has been under house arrest for nearly a month.

Hundreds of Indian forces personals were deployed in every nook and corner of Srinagar and other towns to prevent people from coming out of their homes while all the roads leading to Hyderpora were sealed.

It is pertinent to mention that Syed Ali Geelani is under house arrest since Eid-ul-Fitr.

Masarrat Aalam Butt, the General Secretary of APHC has said that the ongoing "Quite Kashmir Movement" will continue till Kashmiris get their inalienable right of self-determination. Masarrat Aalam Butt in a statement issued in Srinagar strongly denounced the arrest of four persons in Shopian and invoking of the black law, Public Safety Act, against them. He also castigated the occupation authorities for enforcing continued curfew in Palhalan area of Pattan saying that such tactics could not deter the Kashmiris to continue their just struggle.

Masarrat Aalam Butt said that Pakistan is in the hearts of the Kashmiris, he hoped that the country would continue to render diplomatic and moral support to the Kashmir cause.

APHC leader Ghulam Ahmed Mir, addressing party workers at Thanamandi, said that India was committing heinous crimes against humanity in Occupied State of Jammu & Kashmir (OSJK).

The High Court Bar Association of OSJK in a meeting in Srinagar, with Vice President, Aijaz Bedar in chair, decided to continue the boycott of courts’ proceedings till the release of its President, Mian Abdul Qayoom, General Secretary, Ghulam Nabi Shaheen and the Bar member, Muhammad Shafi Reshi. In the meeting, the lawyers decided to hold demonstrations in all district courts on Thursday.

People took to the streets in Nasu area of Bandipore to protest against the thrashing of two youth by Indian forces. The Srinagar-based cable news operators staged a protest demonstration at Lal Chowk against the continued ban imposed by the authorities on the transmission of news and current affairs’ programmes.

An officer of Indian Central Reserve Police Force committed suicide by shooting himself with his service rifle at Camp Hall in Pulwama. This raised the number of such deaths amongst Indian troops and police personnel to 196 since January 2007.

The Jammu & Kashmir Peoples League (JKPL), a constituent of All Parties Hurriyat Conference, has said that Jammu and Kashmir is the UN-mandated disputed territory whose political future is yet to be ascertained.

APHC leader and the Acting Chairman of JKPL, Mukhtar Ahmad Waza in a statement said that India’s intransigent stance on Kashmir was main hurdle in settling the dispute. He maintained that former Indian Prime Minister, Jawahar Lal Nehru’s words were still echoing when he said, “We had given our pledge to the people of Kashmir and subsequently to the United Nations; we stood by it and we stand by it today. Let the people of Kashmir decide.”

Mukhtar Waza appealed to the international community to impress upon New Delhi to resolve the dispute over Kashmir in accordance with the Kashmiris’ aspirations.

The Jammu and Kashmir Peoples Movement (JKPM), a constituent of the All Parties Hurriyat Conference, has said that India is committing heinous crimes against humanity in OSJK.

Addressing party workers at Thanamandi, APHC leader and the JKPM Chairman, Ghulam Ahmed Mir, said that Indian troops had declared a war against innocent and unarmed people of the occupied territory which, if not stopped, could lead to a major humanitarian crisis.

The JKPM Chairman said that hospitals in Kashmir were running out of surgical stuff and lifesaving medicines. He said that by keeping the whole Occupied State of Jammu & Kashmir under curfew, India had virtually declared an economic blockade against the people who were unable to obtain the basic necessities of life.

Ghulam Ahmed Mir called upon the international community to come forward and save the innocent Kashmiris from the brutal aggression of New Delhi. He said that the UN Security Council, which is guardian of the rights of the people, must break its silence and play its role for the immediate resolution of the lingering dispute, which had posed a threat to the peace and development of South Asia.

The APHC leader urged the United Nations to hold an emergency session of the Security Council to discuss fast deteriorating situation in the occupied territory.

A Budgam court has sent illegally detained APHC leader and the Chairman of Jammu and Kashmir National Front, Nayeem Ahmad Khan on 10-day judicial remand. Nayeem Khan was arrested on June 28 near Pattan when he was on way to Sopore to express solidarity with the families of four youth martyred by Indian troops in the town. He was lodged in Baramulla sub-jail.

On September 29, a court granted bail to the APHC leader, however, he was shifted by the police to Joint Interrogation Centre at Humhama. Subsequently, on October 6, he was presented by police before court, which granted him remand till October 11 (Monday). He was again produced before the court on Monday and was sent on judicial remand for 10 more days and was later lodged in Central Jail Srinagar.

On the other hand, Hurriyat leader, Muhammad Ashraf Laya was released on Monday after his detention order under the black law, Public Safety Act, was revoked. He has been booked under the PSA 12 times in past 30 years.

Talking to mediamen after his release, Muhammad Ashraf Laya, said that he would continue to fight for liberation of Kashmir from Indian occupation till last breath. “We wouldn’t be cowed down by arrests and harassment,” he added.

Geelani denounced curfew and restrictions in OSJK