Kashmir Issue : Our options & possible Course of Action

[Pakhtoon yum]

Where and who did he interview? The bloody JKLF?
An independent Kashmir will not be accepted by us i.e. Pakistan loyalists. The whole idea is stupid i.e. what does the K in Pakistan stand for?
These people are a minority and do remember every region has seen it's own armed groups which have attacked the Pakistani state yet there hasn't been one in AJK which has attacked the army. I've met Pakistani Pashtuns who want to join Afghanistan, Pakistani Punjabis who want union with East Punjab, Balochis who want out as soon as possible, but they're not a majority and nor should they skew our opinions.
It was pro-Pakistan forces who captured AJK for Pakistan. My entire elder generation fought in that war. Trust me if support for an independent state was this strong in AJK there was little the rest of Pakistan could have done and India would have taken advantage of this years back.



I'll tell you what will happen;

Day one; Pakistan calls for recognition, world ignores especially nations with their own territorial disputes.
Day two; Other groups in Pakistan start to get emboldened and begin to demand independence as well.
Day three; India points and laughs and says they will keep things as they are, removal of 370 is going just fine. India tempted to invade as well, if that happens day four onwards is occupation time!
Day four; Ummah brothers decide to tell Pakistan to drop the silly act.
Day five; Arguments erupt between 'free Kashmir' and 'Paistan' (K missing now) about dam royalties, sharing of military hardware, territory and demands increase to get the 'Chinese side' back as well.
Day six; Hyper inflation in 'free Kashmir', law and order breaks down.
Day seven; 'free Kashmir government asks to join Paistan to form Pakistan again.

If you say so brother but you have to admit the feeling of acceptance in Iok and azad Kashmir was high, for an independent state. India shot itself in the foot with this move and made the kashmiris push into the pakistani camp, both the pro and anti-Indian ones. In this isolation they only see Pakistan as their hope and way out, thus the reinstatement of their love for Pakistan.

yeah i know and i think kashmir army will be enough to stop india on loc . we will be there too as we are today .

Have you lost your mind? India will swallow the Kashmiri army whole and you and people that hold your belief will be standing there with their jaws on the floor. Try doing something then, but you wont be able to do jack sh*t.

 

[VCheng]

Wasn't it dead, when Pakistan crossed the LOC in Kargil ?

Did India makes such a claim at that time, or since then?

 

[Wa Muhammada]

Well tbh...a full on war is overdue... the present generation have taken Pakistan for granted...and we need new heroes and a new breed of Ghazi’s.

Allah ta’ala has promised us of Ghazwa e Hind and we or our offspring will be part of it ان شاء الله but this will be a devastating war because nuclear weapons will be used and millions will lose their lives. It will be not be an easy time and even the war in Syria will pale infront of this

 

[Osiris]

Did India makes such a claim at that time, or since then?

We don't make such claims, now, either .

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

you know its not just the pak army kashmiriz have to be on pakistan army's side as well. we in azad kashmir baltistan will support and fight along side pakistan army. let them lead the way and tactics.

but indian kashmiriz have to be help too if they want to be free. at this moment its not clear what they want.

Finally you are on the same page as what I've been saying for the past 2 days.

 

[VCheng]

We don't make such claims, now, either .

Except now Pakistan can make the claim quite clearly.

 

[AZ1]

I say Go Ahead

 

[Osiris]

Except now Pakistan can make the claim quite clearly.

And what does Pakistan attain by making such a claim?

 

[VCheng]

And what does Pakistan attain by making such a claim?

Showing the world that India is violating its international commitments is a good place to start.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Calm the hell down, why should Pakistan throw such an important asset into the garbage? He and his mind is even more important know.

 

[waz]

If you say so brother but you have to admit the feeling of acceptance in Iok and azad Kashmir was high, for an independent state. India shot itself in the foot with this move and made the kashmiris push into the pakistani camp, both the pro and anti-Indian ones. In this isolation they only see Pakistan as their hope and way out, thus the reinstatement of their love for Pakistan.

Not in AJK bro, not high by any measure and that's proved by there never being a rebellion against Pakistan and do remember the AJK regiment is part and parcel of the PA. Also another fun fact the population is 5% of the population but make up 12% of the armed forces....A very small minority wants it.
I'd say what you wrote above is more about IOK as I met people from there over the years and they thought the ideas that AJK people had of joining Pakistan were not right. But that's all changed now, destiny awaits.

 

[AZ1]

And what does Pakistan attain by making such a claim?

Restless nights to Indians.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

I dont think India would mind an independent Azad Kashmir(your lose), but it's still not going to give up it's side. Especially after the process of integration is in affect. All it does is create a buffer(thanks) for India. If tangos come from it, so be it, it's already dealing with that now. You're expending all that extra energy keeping up some defacto land. International community doesn't care what India, or Pakistan really does. The conflict between the two is a side show.

The international community are also doing their own fighting, posturing(if you havent noticed) to care what India, Pakistan, especially Kashmir is on about.

 

[waz]

Keep him locked away forever.

 

[Ritual]

There should really be a NATO type pact among some Muslim nation that entails a foe attacking one nation is like attacking every nation. GCC, Indonesia, Pakistan, Turkey(? NATO) would make a formidable deterrent to India alone without the smaller nations included.

It would be a game changer indeed. But there will always be some petty quarrel that prevents it happening. Iraq, the Palestinians etc used to be pro-India at one point but now India is firmly in Israel hands, so I think a military alliance would be more natural now.

Pakistan would instantly give these countries a nuclear ally.