Kashmir is Pakistan & India's internal matter, says Taliban; India is not relevant

[El Sidd]

Taliban and Trump are meditating between India and Pakistan?

 

[El Sidd]

Trump I think meditates only between "what's in it for me" and "what in it for me".

Taliban however apart from religious, cultural and historic reason, cannot chose india since after US is gone inevitably one day, hopefully sooner, somebody has to create and sustain their, at least for now, fragile economy.

Then they will find that the only country that has wiliness to invest in afghan infrastructure to establish a trade route between China and west is well China.

Not to mention Afghanistan is an extremely mineral rich region and china has increasingly huge apatite for those natural resources. Hence investment from China that can brings advanced technology to find, mine process and later turn them into products makes Chinese even more attractive. Indian can't match that neither the advanced technology of china nor risk taking capacity and apatite of china as far as resource finding and mining is concerned.

China has even turned africa with extremely low level skills and education into quite an impressive manufacturing region with rapidly rising income. Many of those african regions were as much or more war-ravaged than Afghanistan. For Afghanistan there is more genuine hope with China than india whether some pro-west afghans likes it or not. West is not going to do any real good in Afghanistan, ever.

Also at least one alternative energy route from Turkmenistan and even Russia that can supply both oil and gas to china's western region is via Afghanistan. More importantly it provides an additional safety measures in case other supply lines to china are impacted due to some natural or not so natural reasons. Both Russian and China have indicated repeated interest in such arrangements. Such an arrangement will add a free income source of at least a billion US dollars to Afghan government in the form of transit fees and payment for protecting it etc.

Plus Afghan will get their energy needs met independent of Iran.

In near future Pakistan will itself reach a point where some private businesses from Pakistan may make investments to cultivate, process and export afghan natural products, such as fruits, dry fruits, carpets and other natural and heavy labor based yet high demand items. Pakistani businessmen can import them to Pakistan turning Pakistan into an afghan full fledged market as well as reexport them to middle east via Gwadar to add to Pakistan's economy. This will especially attract many Tribes from KP and a well as Baloch tribes into this kind of business (who are more suitable for it anyway) which will uplift Western parts of Pakistan decreasing any economic resentment in those regions and help stabilize Pakistan. Meaning along with China, Pakistan can replace Afghan need for india as market for afghan products in its own rights.

The point being, only alternative for Taliban or for any government in the Kabul to have a self sustaining long term income and basic infra-structure comes from mostly China or Pakistan. Its reliable, trustworthy and has long term scope. Though some may come from Russia (due to their own mining and energy interests in Afghanistan and Pakistan).

Plus Gwadar is exceptionally nice and close port for all your trade. Small to medium industry to process fruits, dry fruits, parts manufacturing etc. does not require highly skilled jobs. China and even Pakistan both can help and profit doing that in Afghanistan much better than anyone else and exporting them for profits for all parties involved.

Even more importantly, China can import afghan products and being much higher income country than india (in india things are dirt cheap too), China can offer far higher value for afghan goods and far higher profits than india can ever provide. In India stuff is so cheap, Even Pakistan can and does offer higher prices and better profits for afghan goods say dry fruits etc. Plus china has incentive to buy afghan goods in exchange for say mining rights.

So I think Taliban won't go for india (at least for long).

Others who are acting pro-india for financial reasons will find India extremely less and less attractive day by day once US leaves off course. India cannot fund Afghanistan nor can provide what both China and Pakistan combined can.

Not to mention close proximity to Pakistan plays a huge role along with once again cultural, racial, historic and religious reason (at least with Pakistan). Even on twitter for every anti Pakistan post, so many pro-Pakistan posts are posted by afghans themselves. There is place for Pakistan in Afghanistan and its not going away. Pakistan always has and will have immense influence in Afghanistan.

Also Pakistani agriculture has started to incorporate better methods, technology and seeds, which will gradually lead to surplus production and that can provide Afghanistan cost effective food supply. We are already doing it at least partially for Afghanistan.

From Afghanistan, wherever you look from, the land of pure and the friends of the land of pure are more attractive, more beneficial.

Somethings are just a fact, like a rising sun from east.

Don't you think Afghans know that surrounding countries only wish to exploit Afghanistan?

 

[JohnWick]

Thank you Taliban....

I have always seen that Taliban has some soft corner for India... they never did anything harmful towards India.... during Vajpayee time when India passenger plane was hijacked that time also Taliban offered to attack plane and save some lives.....

Mumbai Attack?

I've had plenty of Indians explain to me with 100 percent confidence that the Afghans are closest friends of Indians, and born enemies of Pakistanis. I mean Hindi-Afghan bhai bhai etc.


I could only mutter: "whatever, dude. You clearly don't know the Afghans very well." I do. There are a lot of Afghans living in Europe, and having spent a lot of time in Central and Western European countries. I'll just put it this way, they are not very popular with anyone.

Based on my personal experiences, I'll trust any random Indian, Pakistani (or Bangladeshi etc.) over a random Afghan.

Hope no mod rules were broken with this anecdote.

They had conquered your Mandirs and there ancestors fd your forefathers....

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Mumbai Attack?


They had conquered your Mandirs and there ancestors fd your forefathers....

I don't give a flying f$k about exaggerated history accounts. All right they were valiant once upon a time, today's as a nation they're worth nothing.

I'm talking about modern day Afghans, they're seen as vermin and cockroaches in any European country. Nobody is afraid of them, but they are just an unpleasant people.

 

[Ladyuk]

I don't give a flying f$k about exaggerated history accounts. All right they were valiant once upon a time, today's as a nation they're worth nothing.

I'm talking about modern day Afghans, they're seen as vermin and cockroaches in any European country. Nobody is afraid of them, but they are just an unpleasant people.

You are totally right they are very unpleasant people that's my personal experience with them very two faced and hate filled. I know it's politics but I'm surprised how many Indians feel all pally pally with them bearing in mind history and how they killed and looted India.

 

[Rafeh]

Don't you think Afghans know that surrounding countries only wish to exploit Afghanistan?

I don't know about China but Pakistan has no intention of exploiting Afghanistan. Though even Chinese exploitative investment may lead Afghanistan to a state of development where it would be able to better protect its interest while having developed along the way.

We can't even prevent exploitation of Pakistan. Pakistan just want to become a trade hub doing at least initially what Singapore did as a connecting port (storage, packaging, bring from one and export to several nations etc.) for eastern and western trade. Pakistan wants to become a trade hub not just limited to ports but on land as well as combined with in house manufacturing, in other words on much massive scale than Singapore.

Selling and exporting to middle east via Gwadar to selling to europe via Afghanistan as well as once again via Gwadar etc. My family members happened to be in Pakistan federal parliament and senate. We talk often over such issues and whatever Pakistan secretly plans with respect to Afghanistan. I assure you, no one at least in Pakistan at government level seeks to exploit Afghanistan. Individual businesses may but they exploit everyone and every country. Pakistan as a country no longer sees Afghanistan just a strategic depth provider but a future euroasian trade partner provided Afghanistan abandons india which it will as there is no other choice at the end.

Pakistani approach is actually win win for Afghanistan. It will share CPEC with Afghanistan and we will get our trade route and so do afghans. However, for afghans only way out of this mess is at least partial stability combined with Chinese investment which would at least initially be in mineral resources and hopefully later in small laber intensive industry. There is no other way after US financial support is gone. Drug trade can't sustain countries they destroy them.

Afghans know that part well.

 

[El Sidd]

I don't know about China but Pakistan is has no intention of exploiting Afghanistan. Though even Chinese exploitative investment may lead Afghanistan to a state of development where it would be able to better protect its interest while having developed along the way.

We can't even prevent exploitation of Pakistan. Pakistan just want to become a trade hub doing at initially what Singapore did as a connecting port (storage, packaging, bring from one and export to several nations etc.) for eastern and western trade. Pakistan wants to become a trade hub only not just limited to ports but on land as well as combined with in house manufacturing, in other words on much massive scale than Singapore.

Selling and exporting from middle east via Gwadar to europe via Afghanistan, Gwadar etc. My family members happened to be in the federal parliament and senate etc. We talk often over such issues and whatever Pakistan secretly plans with respect to Afghanistan. I assure you, no one at least in Pakistan government level seeks to exploit Afghanistan. Individual businesses may but they exploit everyone and every country. Pakistan as a country no longer sees Afghanistan just a strategic depth provider but a future euroasian trade partner provided Afghanistan abandons india which it will as there is no other choice at the end.

Pakistani approach is actually win win for Afghanistan. It will share CPEC with Afghanistan and we will get our trade route and so do afghans. However, for afghans only way out of this mess is at least partial stability combined with Chinese investment which would at least initially be in mineral resources and hopefully later in small laber intensive industry. There is no other way after US financial support is gone. Drug trade can't sustain countries they destroy them.

Afghans know that part well.

I don't think the conflict is going anywhere and is likely to continue.

Whatever trade potential you see outweighs the war economy as understood by the warring Afghan factions.

The Chahbahar government of Afghanistan will not last

 

[Rafeh]

I don't think the conflict is going anywhere and is likely to continue.

Whatever trade potential you see outweighs the war economy as understood by the warring Afghan factions.

The Chahbahar government of Afghanistan will not last

Well I don't want to say this since it should not be discussed in an open forum. Lets just say that Chinese usually pay the "chiefs" when they need to. It works.

Since Afghanistan mining resources are massive, Chinese can afford to pay a lot. All we need is partial stability. If Chinese can get us that along with our efforts supported by Taliban, there might be some hope regarding Afghanistan.

Let's not lose hope yet. wait and see.

 

[JohnWick]

I don't give a flying f$k about exaggerated history accounts. All right they were valiant once upon a time, today's as a nation they're worth nothing.

What are you talking about both of your ex and current dads i.e USSR and USA could not eat them and defeated.

 

[Verve]

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The strong clarification comes a day after officials monitoring social media noted a spike in posts around claims that a Taliban spokesperson Zabihullah Mujahid said it was impossible to be friends with India unless the Kashmir dispute is resolved.
INDIA Updated: May 18, 2020 21:40 IST

Shishir Gupta
Hindustan Times, New Delhi

Suhail Shaheen, the spokesperson for the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, as the political wing of Taliban calls itself, issued the clarification on Tuesday. (Sourced )

The Taliban on Monday denied claims on social media that it could join Pakistan-sponsored terrorism in Kashmir, underlining that the Taliban was clear that it “does not interfere in internal affairs of other countries”.

“The statement published in the media about Taaliban joining Jihad in Kashmir is wrong…. The policy of the Islamic Emirate is clear that it does not interfere in the internal affairs of other countries.” Suhail Shaheen, the spokesperson for the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, as the political wing of Taliban calls itself, tweeted on Monday evening.

The strong clarification comes a day after officials monitoring social media noted a spike in posts around claims that a Taliban spokesperson Zabihullah Mujahid said it was impossible to be friends with India unless the Kashmir dispute is resolved. The spokesperson was also claimed to have said that the Taliban would, after capturing power in Kabul, “capture Kashmir from infidels also”.

Diplomats based in Kabul and Delhi told Hindustan Times that the Taliban spokesperson’s clarification came after India worked the backchannels to confirm reports about the group’s approach to India, and on Jammu and Kashmir.


New Delhi was told that the social media posts were fake and did not reflect Taliban’s position.

But analysts have also underlined that the Taliban wasn’t a monolithic body and comprises people holding different beliefs. For example, while the group has deep linkages with the Pakistani deep state, there are also some who favour an independent line.

Since the Afghan Taliban’s top decision-making body Shura is based in Quetta and its sword arm, the Haqqani network based in Peshawar, both in Pakistan, an Af-Pak watcher said, one should not be surprised if there is a tweak in this stance under pressure from Pakistan.


Already, political equations are changing rapidly in Afghanistan with the US all set to withdraw from Kabul. Unlike in the past where Islamabad for decades acted as a proxy for the US during the Soviet-Afghan war, this time Pakistan is riding on China, who in turn has close partners in Russia and Iran. This time, Washington is the common enemy.

While the US has ensured that Ashraf Gani and Abdullah Abdullah have joined hands in power sharing, it hopes that the Tajik-Pashtun leader may sign an agreement with the Taliban as the former has refused to be any party to it.

The Indian initiative in Afghanistan is also at cross-roads as Pakistan based terrorists groups will use Taliban-ruled Kabul to target India without fear of any Balakot. For all the main players, Afghanistan is turning full circle with Pakistan strategically placed in the great game.

Go and celebrate. But do remember that this statement doesn't mean that Taliban won't declare Jihad against India when the time comes.

 

[MayaBazar]

Go and celebrate. But do remember that this statement doesn't mean that Taliban won't declare Jihad against India when the time comes.

Jihad would never be declared. ISI/Taliban are shrewd. You will just do it without declaring it.

Indians should leave Afghanistan before US leaves.

#NotMyWar

 

[Shantanu_Left]

You are totally right they are very unpleasant people that's my personal experience with them very two faced and hate filled. I know it's politics but I'm surprised how many Indians feel all pally pally with them bearing in mind history and how they killed and looted India.

I'm sure as an English/European, you would agree. I'm a liberal and all in favour of refugees including the Rohingyas. I don't care about history (today's Afghans should not be held responsible for what their ancestors did or did not do). I just want them to act like normal people and not threaten to stab and kill others over normal disagreements. As a culture, they can be very excessively violent.

What I don't like about some of the Afghan scumbags in Europe is that they're a thankless lot. Not everyone is that way of course but they have been known to "knife" strangers for just a pack of cigarettes. As a brown-skinned person, I have been mistaken for their kind, denying me entrance to a few nightclubs by racist bouncers "NO Afghans allowed." I said "I'm not Afghan, but Indian". "Sure you are."

It's just not limited to nightclubs. The current climate of Islamophobia in many EU countries is really limited to "Somalis Afghans" and a few other nations. No-one really hates Bangladeshi people for example. They're very law abiding for the most part, usually run corner shops and cyber cafes.

Afghans should really do some drastic introspection and behave better.

What are you talking about both of your ex and current dads i.e USSR and USA could not eat them and defeated.

First of all, the country is dependent on Indian aid. India is the second largest donor after USA. You confirm what I don't like to say politely "Some of these Afghans will bite the hand that feeds them. "

All right so some of them behave like rabid hyenas. Attack you in packs. They're dangerous, no doubt. Also very two-faced ehsan faramosh kind.

And why do you care as a Pakistani except that you enjoy that it angers Indians. You can check my other posts here, I'm not anti+Pakistani. I don't equate them with the nasty Afghans.

 

[graphican]

Everything which India needed to pacify itself has been said, but the draft might be prepared in Pakistan.

 

[Ladyuk]

I'm sure as an English/European, you would agree. I'm a liberal and all in favour of refugees including the Rohingyas.

What I don't like about some of the Afghan scumbags in Europe is that they're a thankless lot. Not everyone is that way of course but they have been known to "knife" strangers for just a pack of cigarettes. As a brown-skinned person, I have been mistaken for their kind, denying me entrance to a few nightclubs by racist bouncers "NO Afghans allowed." I said "I'm not Afghan, but Indian". "Sure you are."

It's just not limited to nightclubs. The current climate of Islamophobia in many EU countries is really limited to "Somalis Afghans" and a few other nations. No-one really hates Bangladeshi people for example. They're very law abiding for the most part, usually run corner shops and cyber cafes.

Afghans should really do some drastic introspection and behave better.

I'm a british of pakistan heritage, I agree people who genuinely need refuge I have no problem with. The Afghans I have met were all from the back of a truck and therefore could not work legally. These bigoted afghans who never miss a opportunity to bad mouth punjabis would go to pakistani punjabis and Indian sikh punjabis to ask for work. A number of pakistani and Indian sikhs had money and goods stolen from them, I know a number of landlords who rented their property to them even when the rest of us warned them not to because they felt sorry for these poor afghans only for the said afghans to abscond without paying bills and rent. Some even damaged the property before leaving.

I agree with you they have a very bad reputation which they have earned, it's the same in pakistan you should see the amount of crime they commit and have killed approximately 70.000 civilians including a entire school of children countless soldiers and police officers in acts of terror. Yet imran wants to give them citizenship.

I am sorry that you were discriminated against I know that similar things have happened to black and other minority men who were barred from night clubs too.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

The Afghans I have met were all from the back of a truck and therefore could not work legally. These bigoted afghans who never miss a opportunity to bad mouth punjabis would go to pakistani punjabis and Indian sikh punjabis to ask for work. A number of pakistani and Indian sikhs had money and goods stolen from them, I know a number of landlords who rented their property to them even when the rest of us warned them not to because they felt sorry for these poor afghans only for the said afghans to abscond without paying bills and rent. Some even damaged the property before leaving.

I agree with you they have a very bad reputation which they have earned, it's the same in pakistan you should see the amount of crime they commit and have killed approximately 70.000 civilians including a entire school of children countless soldiers and police officers in acts of terror. Yet imran wants to give them citizenship.

There you said it. A scum is a scum. These Afghans that come to Europe are a horrible bunch.

I've never had any problem with any Pakistanis or Bangladeshis even at work. I've lived in both US and UK. Indians, Pakistanis generally get along great.

I've had these scum put a knife to my neck (as a prank) in Germany. I escaped by giving them all the money in my pocket. It started innocently: they spoke in Hindi to me about how much they like Amitabh Bachan, Kishore Kumar,how they like India etc. Then for now reason they got angry and agitated. Next thing I knew there was a knife on my neck. They all looked like people you'd perfectly trust. Very two faced.