Kashmir is disputed territory, not 'integral part' of India: Pakistan

[Dragon4]

But the opposite happens.

Yes, ever heard of unnamed graves which Pakistan counts as gross violation of human rights in Kashmir?

 

[mpk1988]

Doesn't matter what is claimed by each side. No matter what is said, India will not give up its claim on Kashmir. Kashmir will not go anywhere too. There's nothing anyone can do even if they want to.

 

[Vyom]

Since you insist on being illiterates. Sure the "UN referendum" .... take the following in to account.

Well articulated answer by Diyar Khan.

“May I also remind the Indian delegate that India itself brought this dispute before the United Nations,”

The above quoted line says it all. Now civilized, tolerant and educated Indians must understand, Kashmir is a disputed region, not an integral part of India.

And more than 700,000 troops are deployed there shows how a peaceful state it is, No wonder why they chicken out if neutral UN referendum.

In November 2010, United Nations excluded Jammu and Kashmir from its annual list of unresolved international disputes under the observation of the United Nations Security Council.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 47 :

A - RESTORATION OF PEACE AND ORDER

1. The Government of Pakistan should undertake to use its best endeavours:

(a) To secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and
Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purposes
of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion into the State of such elements and any furnishing of
material aid to those fighting in the State;

(b) To make known to all concerned that the measures indicated in this and the following
paragraphs provide full freedom to all subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste, or
party, to express their views and to vote on the question of the accession of the State, and
that therefore they should co-operate in the maintenance of peace and order.

2. The Government of India should:

(a) When it is established to the satisfaction of the Commission set up in accordance with the
Council's Resolution 39 (1948) that the tribesmen are withdrawing and that arrangements for
the cessation of the fighting have become effective, put into operation in consultation with the
Commission a plan for withdrawing their own forces from Jammu and Kashmir and reducing
them progressively to the minimum strength required for the support of the civil power in the
maintenance of law and order;

(b) Make known that the withdrawal is taking place in stages and announce the completion of
each stage; When the Indian forces shall have been reduced to the minimum strength
mentioned in (a) above, arrange in consultation with the Commission for the stationing of the
remaining forces to be carried out in accordance with the following principles:

(i) That the presence of troops should not afford any intimidation or appearance of
intimidation to the inhabitants of the State;
(ii) That as small a number as possible should be retained in forward areas;
(iii) That any reserve of troops which may be included in the total strength should be located
within their present base area.

3. The Government of India should agree that until such time as the plebiscite administration referred
to below finds it necessary to exercise the powers of direction and supervision over the State forces
and policy provided for in paragraph 8, they will be held in areas to be agreed upon with the
Plebiscite Administrator.

 

[H.A.W.K]

Yes, ever heard of unnamed graves which Pakistan counts as gross violation of human rights in Kashmir?

Your pointless lol

 

[Dragon4]

Your pointless lol

Upgrade your processor

 

[H.A.W.K]

Since you insist on being illiterates. Sure the "UN referendum" .... take the following in to account.




In November 2010, United Nations excluded Jammu and Kashmir from its annual list of unresolved international disputes under the observation of the United Nations Security Council.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 47 :

A - RESTORATION OF PEACE AND ORDER

1. The Government of Pakistan should undertake to use its best endeavours:

(a) To secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and
Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purposes
of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion into the State of such elements and any furnishing of
material aid to those fighting in the State;

(b) To make known to all concerned that the measures indicated in this and the following
paragraphs provide full freedom to all subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste, or
party, to express their views and to vote on the question of the accession of the State, and
that therefore they should co-operate in the maintenance of peace and order.

2. The Government of India should:

(a) When it is established to the satisfaction of the Commission set up in accordance with the
Council's Resolution 39 (1948) that the tribesmen are withdrawing and that arrangements for
the cessation of the fighting have become effective, put into operation in consultation with the
Commission a plan for withdrawing their own forces from Jammu and Kashmir and reducing
them progressively to the minimum strength required for the support of the civil power in the
maintenance of law and order;

(b) Make known that the withdrawal is taking place in stages and announce the completion of
each stage; When the Indian forces shall have been reduced to the minimum strength
mentioned in (a) above, arrange in consultation with the Commission for the stationing of the
remaining forces to be carried out in accordance with the following principles:

(i) That the presence of troops should not afford any intimidation or appearance of
intimidation to the inhabitants of the State;
(ii) That as small a number as possible should be retained in forward areas;
(iii) That any reserve of troops which may be included in the total strength should be located
within their present base area.

3. The Government of India should agree that until such time as the plebiscite administration referred
to below finds it necessary to exercise the powers of direction and supervision over the State forces
and policy provided for in paragraph 8, they will be held in areas to be agreed upon with the
Plebiscite Administrator.

I was quoting the past about the referendum , anyways it was india who marched to the UN not us.

 

[Vyom]

I was quoting the past about the referendum , anyways it was india who marched to the UN not us.

Yes so you have to withdraw forces under UN, and its not a UN dispute any more. so status quo will remain. same old arguments from both sides...

I'll have some chai, this dispute is so old in this forum that no one gives a damn. see ya.

 

[Areesh]

Might I suggest that Mr. Diyar Khan read and understand the stipulations of the Simla Agreement before speaking again, no matter how eloquently, on this topic?

Your suggestion doesn't matter Vcheng. Mr Diyar Khan like any man of honor rejects your lies about Simla Agreement. You can peddle that lie on this forum though.

 

[Leviza]

May I also remind the Indian delegate that India itself brought this dispute before the United Nations,”

That is what we call, Ghuss kay Marna , jahan doshman case lay kar gaya tha ... good job guys ... well done...

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Source??
On topic- Doesn't matter what Pakistan think and say.

Look up Kashmiri Poll

 

[zeetr]

intolerance is increasing day by day in india by this way kashmiris will get enough space to carry out their struggle to achieve freedom from the aggressor

 

[VCheng]

Doesn't matter what is claimed by each side. No matter what is said, India will not give up its claim on Kashmir. Kashmir will not go anywhere too. There's nothing anyone can do even if they want to.

Both sides are bound by the Simla Agreement to work out all their disputes bilaterally.

 

[mpk1988]

Both sides are bound by the Simla Agreement to work out all their disputes bilaterally.

Sure.. but it's not like they will. some or the other thing will come up and then.. puff!!!

 

[VCheng]

Sure.. but it's not like they will. some or the other thing will come up and then.. puff!!!

The status quo will persist until the costs of keeping it exceed the ability of either or both sides to pay. Then they will talk.

 

[mpk1988]

The status quo will persist until the costs of keeping it exceed the ability of either or both sides to pay. Then they will talk.

Both sides are developing and growing nations. I don't think the costs will become too much for either of us till something really dramatic happens.
To be honest, I don't give a rats *** about Kashmir now and have no sympathy whatsoever also. It's like that region has so much invested in it (from both sides mind you) and yet Kashmiris behave like foolish and petulant children. I wonder if there would've have been anything left of Kashmir had it been an insurgency movement in Russia/China/Arab country or even Pakistan. The land and it's people would've been merely stories then.