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Kashmir all-party meet: Modi discusses atrocities in Azad Kashmir, Balochistan

Let's talk about the reality. The reality is, show me TWO videos from the Pakistani administered Kashmir where millions of people are asking for freedom and raising Indian flags while the Pakistani military kills them. Show me the same from Baluchistan!! There is none and you are lying to the world about stuff that doesn't exist and didn't exist even in the Vedic times.

The REAL human crises is inside the Indian Kashmir (not taking sides, I just want all people of any state's voting and democratic right to be respected, but here, you killed millions since taking over and overwrote 91% people's VOTE and you call yourself the "largest democracy".....REALLY?). This right here, is the reality.

And you are mistaken thinking the world doesn't care about this. The trade and business and flow of $$$$ can only last for so long. This literally is THE most dangerous part of the world and this issue, if unsolved will result in the loss of life across Asia. Not to mention, hundreds of millions of more poor people will die. So believe it or not, the force-full heads, who let your country ride the money train for the past twenty years, will force a solution on you. It is JUST a matter of time. The world can't just see stupid emotional people continue to kill millions every year and act bravo, and cause a nuke war. The world has and will act immediately. Sending Modi to Pakistan was an example and can be set again.

Here, the UN resolution for you. Item 6B was created for India. Just reiterating in case you, like your Indian friends, ignored to read it as truth hurts obviously!!


Resolution of 13 August 1948:

1. The question of the accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India or Pakistan will be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite;

2. A plebiscite will be held when it shall be found by the Commission that the cease-fire and truce arrangements set forth in Parts I and II of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948 have been carried out and arrangements for the plebiscite have been completed;

3.
(a) The Secretary-General of the United Nations will, in agreement with the Commission, nominate a Plebiscite Administrator who shall be a personality of high international standing and commanding general confidence. He will be formally appointed to office by the Government of Jammu and Kashmir.

(b) The Plebiscite Administrator shall derive from the State of Jammu and Kashmir the powers he considers necessary for organizing and conducting the plebiscite and for ensuring the freedom and impartiality of the plebiscite.

(c) The Plebiscite Administrator shall have authority to appoint such staff of assistants and observes as he may require.

4.
(a) After implementation of Parts I and II of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948, and when the Commission is satisfied that peaceful conditions have been restored in the State, the Commission and the Plebiscite Administrator will determine, in consultation with the Government of India, the final disposal of Indian and State armed forces, such disposal to be with due regard to the security of the State and the freedom of the plebiscite.

(b) As regards the territory referred to in A.2 of Part II of the resolution of 13 August, final disposal of the armed forces in that territory will be determined by the Commission and the Plebiscite Administrator in consultation with the local authorities.

5. All civil and military authorities within the State and the principal political elements of the State will be required to co-operate with the Plebiscite Administrator in the preparation for the holding of the plebiscite.

6.
(a) All citizens of the State who have left it on account of the disturbances will be invited and be free to return and to exercise all their rights as such citizens. For the purpose of facilitating repatriation there shall be appointed two Commissions, one composed of nominees of India and the other of nominees of Pakistan. The Commission shall operate under the direction of the Plebiscite Administrator. The Governments of India and Pakistan and all authorities within the State of Jammu and Kashmir will collaborate with the Plebiscite Administrator in putting this provision into effect.

(b) All person (other than citizens of the State) who on or since 15 August 1947 have entered it for other than lawful purpose, shall be required to leave the State.

7. All authorities within the State of Jammu and Kashmir will undertake to ensure, in collaboration with the Plebiscite Administrator, that:

(a) There is no threat, coercion or intimidation, bribery or other undue influence on the voters in the plebiscite;

(b) No restrictions are placed on legitimate political activity throughout the State. All subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste or party, shall be safe and free in expressing their views and in voting on the question of the accession of the State to India or Pakistan. There shall be freedom of the press, speech and assembly and freedom of travel in the State, including freedom of lawful entry and exit;

(c) All political prisoners are released;

(d) Minorities in all parts of the State are accorded adequate protection; and

(e) There is no victimization.

8. The Plebiscite Administrator may refer to the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan problems on which he may require assistance, and the Commission may in its discretion call upon the Plebiscite Administrator to carry out on its behalf any of the responsibilities with which it has been entrusted;

9. At the conclusion of the plebiscite, the Plebiscite Administrator shall report the result thereof to the Commission and to the Government of Jammu and Kashmir. The Commission shall then certify to the Security Council whether the plebiscite has or has not been free and impartial;

10. Upon the signature of the truce agreement the details of the foregoing proposals will be elaborated in the consultations envisaged in Part III of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948. The Plebiscite Administrator will be fully associated in these consultations;

Commends the Governments of India and Pakistan for their prompt action in ordering a cease-fire to take effect from one minute before midnight of 1 January 1949, pursuant to the agreement arrived at as provided for by the Commission's Resolution of 13 August 1948; and

Resolves to return in the immediate future to the Sub-continent to discharge the responsibilities imposed upon it by the Resolution of 13 August 1948 and by the foregoing principles.


Resolution of 13 August 1948:

1. The question of the accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India or Pakistan will be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite;

2. A plebiscite will be held when it shall be found by the Commission that the cease-fire and truce arrangements set forth in Parts I and II of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948 have been carried out and arrangements for the plebiscite have been completed;

3.
(a) The Secretary-General of the United Nations will, in agreement with the Commission, nominate a Plebiscite Administrator who shall be a personality of high international standing and commanding general confidence. He will be formally appointed to office by the Government of Jammu and Kashmir.

(b) The Plebiscite Administrator shall derive from the State of Jammu and Kashmir the powers he considers necessary for organizing and conducting the plebiscite and for ensuring the freedom and impartiality of the plebiscite.

(c) The Plebiscite Administrator shall have authority to appoint such staff of assistants and observes as he may require.

4.
(a) After implementation of Parts I and II of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948, and when the Commission is satisfied that peaceful conditions have been restored in the State, the Commission and the Plebiscite Administrator will determine, in consultation with the Government of India, the final disposal of Indian and State armed forces, such disposal to be with due regard to the security of the State and the freedom of the plebiscite.

(b) As regards the territory referred to in A.2 of Part II of the resolution of 13 August, final disposal of the armed forces in that territory will be determined by the Commission and the Plebiscite Administrator in consultation with the local authorities.

5. All civil and military authorities within the State and the principal political elements of the State will be required to co-operate with the Plebiscite Administrator in the preparation for the holding of the plebiscite.

6.
(a) All citizens of the State who have left it on account of the disturbances will be invited and be free to return and to exercise all their rights as such citizens. For the purpose of facilitating repatriation there shall be appointed two Commissions, one composed of nominees of India and the other of nominees of Pakistan. The Commission shall operate under the direction of the Plebiscite Administrator. The Governments of India and Pakistan and all authorities within the State of Jammu and Kashmir will collaborate with the Plebiscite Administrator in putting this provision into effect.

(b) All person (other than citizens of the State) who on or since 15 August 1947 have entered it for other than lawful purpose, shall be required to leave the State.

7. All authorities within the State of Jammu and Kashmir will undertake to ensure, in collaboration with the Plebiscite Administrator, that:

(a) There is no threat, coercion or intimidation, bribery or other undue influence on the voters in the plebiscite;

(b) No restrictions are placed on legitimate political activity throughout the State. All subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste or party, shall be safe and free in expressing their views and in voting on the question of the accession of the State to India or Pakistan. There shall be freedom of the press, speech and assembly and freedom of travel in the State, including freedom of lawful entry and exit;

(c) All political prisoners are released;

(d) Minorities in all parts of the State are accorded adequate protection; and

(e) There is no victimization.

8. The Plebiscite Administrator may refer to the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan problems on which he may require assistance, and the Commission may in its discretion call upon the Plebiscite Administrator to carry out on its behalf any of the responsibilities with which it has been entrusted;

9. At the conclusion of the plebiscite, the Plebiscite Administrator shall report the result thereof to the Commission and to the Government of Jammu and Kashmir. The Commission shall then certify to the Security Council whether the plebiscite has or has not been free and impartial;

10. Upon the signature of the truce agreement the details of the foregoing proposals will be elaborated in the consultations envisaged in Part III of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948. The Plebiscite Administrator will be fully associated in these consultations;

Commends the Governments of India and Pakistan for their prompt action in ordering a cease-fire to take effect from one minute before midnight of 1 January 1949, pursuant to the agreement arrived at as provided for by the Commission's Resolution of 13 August 1948; and

Resolves to return in the immediate future to the Sub-continent to discharge the responsibilities imposed upon it by the Resolution of 13 August 1948 and by the foregoing principles.


Resolution of 13 August 1948:

1. The question of the accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India or Pakistan will be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite;

2. A plebiscite will be held when it shall be found by the Commission that the cease-fire and truce arrangements set forth in Parts I and II of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948 have been carried out and arrangements for the plebiscite have been completed;

3.
(a) The Secretary-General of the United Nations will, in agreement with the Commission, nominate a Plebiscite Administrator who shall be a personality of high international standing and commanding general confidence. He will be formally appointed to office by the Government of Jammu and Kashmir.

(b) The Plebiscite Administrator shall derive from the State of Jammu and Kashmir the powers he considers necessary for organizing and conducting the plebiscite and for ensuring the freedom and impartiality of the plebiscite.

(c) The Plebiscite Administrator shall have authority to appoint such staff of assistants and observes as he may require.

4.
(a) After implementation of Parts I and II of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948, and when the Commission is satisfied that peaceful conditions have been restored in the State, the Commission and the Plebiscite Administrator will determine, in consultation with the Government of India, the final disposal of Indian and State armed forces, such disposal to be with due regard to the security of the State and the freedom of the plebiscite.

(b) As regards the territory referred to in A.2 of Part II of the resolution of 13 August, final disposal of the armed forces in that territory will be determined by the Commission and the Plebiscite Administrator in consultation with the local authorities.

5. All civil and military authorities within the State and the principal political elements of the State will be required to co-operate with the Plebiscite Administrator in the preparation for the holding of the plebiscite.

6.
(a) All citizens of the State who have left it on account of the disturbances will be invited and be free to return and to exercise all their rights as such citizens. For the purpose of facilitating repatriation there shall be appointed two Commissions, one composed of nominees of India and the other of nominees of Pakistan. The Commission shall operate under the direction of the Plebiscite Administrator. The Governments of India and Pakistan and all authorities within the State of Jammu and Kashmir will collaborate with the Plebiscite Administrator in putting this provision into effect.

(b) All person (other than citizens of the State) who on or since 15 August 1947 have entered it for other than lawful purpose, shall be required to leave the State.

7. All authorities within the State of Jammu and Kashmir will undertake to ensure, in collaboration with the Plebiscite Administrator, that:

(a) There is no threat, coercion or intimidation, bribery or other undue influence on the voters in the plebiscite;

(b) No restrictions are placed on legitimate political activity throughout the State. All subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste or party, shall be safe and free in expressing their views and in voting on the question of the accession of the State to India or Pakistan. There shall be freedom of the press, speech and assembly and freedom of travel in the State, including freedom of lawful entry and exit;

(c) All political prisoners are released;

(d) Minorities in all parts of the State are accorded adequate protection; and

(e) There is no victimization.

8. The Plebiscite Administrator may refer to the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan problems on which he may require assistance, and the Commission may in its discretion call upon the Plebiscite Administrator to carry out on its behalf any of the responsibilities with which it has been entrusted;

9. At the conclusion of the plebiscite, the Plebiscite Administrator shall report the result thereof to the Commission and to the Government of Jammu and Kashmir. The Commission shall then certify to the Security Council whether the plebiscite has or has not been free and impartial;

10. Upon the signature of the truce agreement the details of the foregoing proposals will be elaborated in the consultations envisaged in Part III of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948. The Plebiscite Administrator will be fully associated in these consultations;

Commends the Governments of India and Pakistan for their prompt action in ordering a cease-fir
e to take effect from one minute before midnight of 1 January 1949, pursuant to the agreement arrived at as provided for by the Commission's Resolution of 13 August 1948; and

Resolves to return in the immediate future to the Sub-continent to discharge the responsibilities imposed upon it by the Resolution of 13 August 1948 and by the foregoing principles.

The Reality is that you can write ONE Trillion posts on the Internet

BUT Kashmir is NOT going ANYWHERE without a War

@Viper0011.

What about Resolution 1373 which is a CHAPTER SEVEN resolution

Pakistan has violated that

Kashmir resolution is chapter SIX -- that is a NON enforceable resolution
 
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The Reality is that you can write ONE Trillion posts on the Internet

BUT Kashmir is NOT going ANYWHERE without a War

@Viper0011.

What about Resolution 1373 which is a CHAPTER SEVEN resolution

Pakistan has violated that

Kashmir resolution is chapter SIX -- that is a NON enforceable resolution

If you don't kick him ... I will personally hunt you and kick YOU. Now go get him. But can your rhetoric - facts only.
 
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Yeah, right. Suggestio falsi and suppressio veri, both jostling each other for space.

4.
(a) After implementation of Parts I and II of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948, and when the Commission is satisfied that peaceful conditions have been restored in the State, the Commission and the Plebiscite Administrator will determine, in consultation with the Government of India, the final disposal of Indian and State armed forces, such disposal to be with due regard to the security of the State and the freedom of the plebiscite.

(b) As regards the territory referred to in A.2 of Part II of the resolution of 13 August, final disposal of the armed forces in that territory will be determined by the Commission and the Plebiscite Administrator in consultation with the local authorities.

5. All civil and military authorities within the State and the principal political elements of the State will be required to co-operate with the Plebiscite Administrator in the preparation for the holding of the plebiscite.


Source: https://defence.pk/threads/kashmir-...hmir-balochistan.443876/page-31#ixzz4HBPx1WYE
sirji
you are debating with a guy who believes google.co.IN is a indian source

now you really want to debate with him ?
 
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lies about what ?? aren't their any human right violation in IOK ?
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Indians are professional liars and Joe is one of them. Now that he is caught lying he will invent new deception and act like a victim.
 
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If you don't kick him ... I will personally hunt you and kick YOU. Now go get him. But can your rhetoric - facts only.

:rofl:
I have argued with him several times

But he doesnt care ; I think after a certain age you become Tone deaf :-)

Indians are professional liars and Joe is one of them.

If you want to merge with Pakistan ; you are welcome
 
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Of course, the fact that he sought to put his own interpretation on the original resolutions and bring in a constructive solution of his own construction, blatantly favouring one side over the other, has nothing to do with your profound admiration of the man.

Sir Owen Dixon didn't view many of Pakistan's action as legally justified. That is another debate.


But It was not his own interpretation. And it was not about him only. As per UN Resolution of August 13, 1948, India agreed to begin to withdraw the bulk of its forces from that State in stages to be agreed upon with the Commission. But that agreement was never reached and that was what halted the process. And therefore the commission didn't ask Pakistan to withdraw its forces. Pakistan agreed to the UN proposals on demilitarization. But India rejected them. From 1949 to 1952 eleven proposals were made which India rejected. Pakistan was even prepared to pull out its troops in favor of the UN troops irrespective of the Indian reaction to such a proposal and told the UN that it made no conditions. And you still expect the UN to blame Pakistan and not India ??

And now look at the Indian claim/propaganda: "plebiscite could not be held in J&K because Pakistan refused to withdraw its forces" !!


Yes
, this patently is an attempt to deceive the world
 
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Kashmir is a disputed territory and not your internal matter. First get your history right and then discuss Kashmir with us.



It doesn't matter you care or not. The point is you are our enemies and that's what I was saying.



The so called strategic shift is due to desperation. Trying to cure IOK with AJK just shows the fact that when you are desperate you act stupid and that's exactly what your government is doing.

Well.
For us that is an insult.That is why we wont care what you are thinking about us.

Not desperation but proactive approach.
 
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sirji
you are debating with a guy who believes google.co.IN is a indian source

now you really want to debate with him ?

No, but I want him to know how despicable he is. After being let down by one of the better Indians, I am in a completely unforgiving mood. "Cry havoc....."
 
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:rofl:
I have argued with him several times

But he doesnt care ; I think after a certain age you become Tone deaf :-)



If you want to merge with Pakistan ; you are welcome

Running out of lie, too bad. We should extend same help to end indian occupation.
 
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Indians are professional liars and Joe is one of them. Now that he is caught lying he will invent new deception and act like a victim.


Most informative post. His family has done more for you and your country than you as a citizen. Informs us about your loyalty.
 
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When mirror is shown to you guys your teeth comes out because you are caught with pants down.

Hindus have no argument to justify their occupation of muslim majority 97% Kashmir and all their dreams of keeping Kashmir under them are gonna get shattered sooner than you brainwashed sadists can anticipate.
Nothing valuable in your head either.

Another waste of bandwidth :lol:
 
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Sir Owen Dixon didn't view many of Pakistan's action as legally justified. That is another debate.


But It was not his own interpretation of the Resolutions. And it was not about him only. As per UN Resolution of August 13, 1948, India agreed to begin to withdraw the bulk of its forces from that State in stages to be agreed upon with the Commission. But that agreement was never reached and that was what halted the process. And therefore the commission didn't ask Pakistan to withdraw its forces. Pakistan agreed to the UN proposals on demilitarization. But India rejected them. From 1949 to 1952 eleven proposals were made which India rejected. Pakistan was even prepared to pull out its troops in favor of the UN troops irrespective of the Indian reaction to such a proposal and told the UN that it made no conditions. And you still expect the UN to blame Pakistan and not India ??

And now look at the Indian claim/propaganda: "plebiscite could not be held in J&K because Pakistan refused to withdraw its forces" !!


Yes
, this patently is an attempt to deceive the world

As I have said before, I will say again: you are one of the best informed Pakistanis on this subject. And I will add what I had added earlier, you use that information, that knowledge skilfully and well to make a Pakistani case where there is none.

Permit me to revert to you at some other time. I will not discuss the matter with you unless I am in the state of mind to dignify your well-thought out points with a similar balance and equanimity. Do not, please, take this removal of myself from the discussion as any form of acquiescence in your assertion.
 
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