Kashmir; Aggressive diplomacy begining to have its effects

[Thamizh Puli]

I agree with you.

It has started in low key momentum already. As it is indigenous due to the lock down and curfew, Indian cowardly forces are not declaring their casualties to save face and keep morale high.

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The attacks on forces which cannot be hidden due to public view and location are being down played as much as possible.

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If they admit to low key but wide spread attacks on occupation forces during lock down then it would mean admitting that it is indigenous uprising.

India wants to put the blame on Pakistan so admitting attacks during curfew is not going to help. India wants to show the world that Kashmir was peaceful during lockdown and Pakistan is sponsoring and sending terrorists in IOK.

But on ground in IOK, The intefada is already on.

When the curfew lifts, then people will know the extent of barbarism and atrocities comitted behind the iron curtain of lockdown and curfew.

When the curfew is lifted then the wave of volent reaction would exponentially increase.

What India is doing in IOK is systematic abductions and harassments of general public in neighborhood wise order so that people can be made so afraid, mentally and physically scarred that they find relative easing of lockdown and lifting of curfew as a gift from Indian occupiers and threatened enough to start thinking that remaining calm and not demonstrating is the best way to get out of their current miserable condition.

Kashmiris have seen the fruits of Jehad that has liberated Afghanistan from clutches of occupation twice.

Kashmiris have realized that picking up arms like Afghans is the only option against getting killed one by one and getting Alienated in their own land by Hindutva occupiers and lynch mob settlers thirsty for blood of the Muslims as has become the norm which is evident in rest of RSS Hindutva India.

This is going to be another long drawn out gorilla war in Kashmir similar to Afghanistan until India comes to realize what Soviets and now Americans have realized too:

India shall learn a well known lesson the hard way after getting thousands of its occupation soldiers as well as Kashmiris killed and crippling Indias economy beyond repair and end up being balkanized into smaller states as it was before Muslim rulers who united then into India.

And what is that lesson?
The lesson is that you cannot occupy any people for any lenght of time anymore if they have decided to resist and get rid of the occupation. Period.

actually your post proves what the Indian government has and been saying - that the current curfews are required to maintain law and order until the separatist militants are brought under control by eliminating support from support from across the Pakistani border. Until removal of article 370, the local government was being abused by its leaders in cahoots with separatists; now the separatists find that they have to answer to the central government and are unable to make 'deals' across the border.

The picture and news article you've posted from 2017 is the very type of reason that made it necessary for removal of article 370. Positive results are already visible.

 

[Krptonite]

It is turning out to be a disaster for India, let alone anything that can be remotely termed as any sort of win.

Modi lot is cursing the day they chopped off their own diplomatic leg and gifted Pakistan an opportunity to highlight Kashmir issue to the world after remaining diplomatically off the UN and international radar for nearly 50 years.

Now the world knows that Modi is an emerging Hitler and his party BJP as just another face of extremist militant and terrorist organizations like RSS /VHP/BD /HSS.

Well done Modi, the Butcher of Gujrat is hell bent on exposing himself like never before.

Passionate posts and domestic narrative aside, global polity is based on actions rather than words. Both our nations propagate a winning narrative, to get a clearer picture, one needs to focus on actions rather than words.

PMIK Diplomatic gestures have been on point, coherent and hard hitting, his natural charisma plays into it. However there has been a distinct lack of punitive action from the global community against India in this regard.

Condemnations and moral support aside, can you cite any legislative or executive action from any sovereign state, designed to punish GOI for its actions, at PMIK's behest. From our point of view as long as criticism is limited to media and 'urging' of states and does not translate into legislative or executive action, it is manageable, even preferable.

 

[Shane]

actually your post proves what the Indian government has and been saying - that the current curfews are required to maintain law and order until the separatist militants are brought under control by eliminating support from support from across the Pakistani border. Until removal of article 370, the local government was being abused by its leaders in cahoots with separatists; now the separatists find that they have to answer to the central government and are unable to make 'deals' across the border.

The picture and news article you've posted from 2017 is the very type of reason that made it necessary for removal of article 370. Positive results are already visible.

Go back a few more posts, in fact, go to the begining of this thread and start your useless bickering in favor of mediocre Modi from there, it will amount to nothing because you insist on calling the darkest time in the history of Indian occupation of Kashmir as its complete opposite.

I guess nobody told you where your spitting against the wind will end up, lol.

You so remind me of Modi whenever I read your posts, lol.

Condemnations and moral support aside, can you cite any legislative or executive action from any sovereign state, designed to punish GOI for its actions, at PMIK's behest.

Let us not try and reinvent the wheel, lol. It is very simple in principle and already successfully accomplished by Pakistan against all odds, lol. This is the reason why wise old men in India are cursing the dimwitted extremist lot that is the Mediocre Modi Gang.

Can you remind me about any "overt" action that any nation, let alone Americans, took against the Soviets when it entered its forces into Afghanistan?

It was a gorilla war in Afghanistan, instigated and supported by Pakistan alone to begin with because the Americans were hesitant about the abilities of ragtag Afghan Mujahideen in the early days, that support by Pakistan helped Afghan Mujahids prove their worth in such a way that made the Americans realize the potential and so they started monetarily and militarily supporting the Jehad in Afghanistan.

Pakistan does not need many friends from the west when our superpower ally in China is right next door and willing to support us if we prove our strategies as earlier we did with Americans.

Why do you think Modi decided to done skimpy Sari and dancing to woo China?

 

[Krptonite]

Go back a few more posts, in fact, go to the begining of this thread and start your useless bickering in favor of mediocre Modi from there, it will amount to nothing because you insist on calling the darkest time in the history of Indian occupation of Kashmir as its complete opposite.

I guess nobody told you where your spitting against the wind will end up, lol.

You so remind me of Modi whenever I read your posts, lol.


Let us not try and reinvent the wheel, lol. It is very simple in principle and already successfully accomplished by Pakistan against all odds, lol. This is the reason why wise old men in India are cursing the dimwitted extremist lot that is the Mediocre Modi Gang.

Can you remind me about any "overt" action that any nation, let alone Americans, took against the Soviets when it entered its forces into Afghanistan?

It was a gorilla war in Afghanistan, instigated and supported by Pakistan alone to begin with because the Americans were hesitant about the abilities of ragtag Afghan Mujahideen in the early days, that support by Pakistan helped Afghan Mujahids prove their worth in such a way that made the Americans realize the potential and so they started monetarily and militarily supporting the Jehad in Afghanistan.

Pakistan does not need many friends from the west when our superpower ally in China is right next door and willing to support us if we prove our strategies as earlier we did with Americans.

Why do you think Modi decided to done skimpy Sari and dancing to woo China?

I'll rephrase,
This thread's assertion is that GoP's diplomatic outreach has been fortuitous and has started to show effects.

Statements, declarations, urges, proclamations, all are a prelude to executive action. Certainly many nations have voiced their concerns about the Kashmir situation and it is their sovereign right to do so, but what are the consequences?

Is it restricted to diplomatic level or are there executive aspects to it?

Have these statements translated into executive actions such as changes in state policy, domestic or otherwise, in regards to GoI's actions?

How many nations have accorded the same level of restrictions as Pakistan has on India ?

Have any restrictions been placed on GoI by any other state, other than GoP?

I'm confused as to what substantially was achieved.

 

[Vapnope]

Articles and tweets are mere lip service and change nothing on the ground. This is a post diplomacy world now, whoever walks with the bigger stick will dictate the others.

This whole episode of Kashmir issue has many lessons for Pakistan. We now know our "allies" and "friend".

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Media Awareness, demonstrations by Pakistani and Kashmiri diaspora and Aggressive diplomacy by PM Pakistan is begining to have its effects around the world.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1164218339088052225

This is embarassing.

 

[Shane]

I'll rephrase,
This thread's assertion is that GoP's diplomatic outreach has been fortuitous and has started to show effects.

Statements, declarations, urges, proclamations, all are a prelude to executive action. Certainly many nations have voiced their concerns about the Kashmir situation and it is their sovereign right to do so, but what are the consequences?

Is it restricted to diplomatic level or are there executive aspects to it?

Have these statements translated into executive actions such as changes in state policy, domestic or otherwise, in regards to GoI's actions?

How many nations have accorded the same level of restrictions as Pakistan has on India ?

Have any restrictions been placed on GoI by any other state, other than GoP?

I'm confused as to what substantially was achieved.

You are not playing the role of the confused well enough dear. You want to quantify success for India by the understandable lack of reaction of Gvernments looking to guard their trade and financial interests in India by overlooking the inhumane treatment of Kashmiris by Indian occupation.

Yes, you do need to rephrase your deliberate ignorance my delusional "roti ko chochi" accost, again and again and again.

Abrogation of Article 370 by Modi and his gang of RSS zealots was nothing short of holding a red rag to a bull by bragmaster who overlooks the most important part of doing something like that; getting out of the way.

Getting back up and learning the lesson is up to the extremist Gao Rakshak, Hindutva goons in India, who are not used to getting hit back, is possible but highly unlikely that you would learn your lesson from history:

India shall learn a well known lesson the hard way after getting thousands of its occupation soldiers as well as Kashmiris killed and crippling Indias economy beyond repair and end up being balkanized into smaller states as it was before Muslim rulers who united then into India.

And what is that lesson?
The lesson is that you cannot occupy any people for any lenght of time anymore if they have decided to resist and get rid of the occupation. Period.

That this decision to occupy Jammu and Kashmir has reignited a freedom struggle and given it unprecedented impetus is nothing short of shooting ones self in the foot.

Now keep getting bled slowly as you fall victim to a thousand cuts while remaining completely in denial that BJP has started Indian Union on the path towards comitting suicide like Soviet Union.

Congratulations on this achievement .

Articles and tweets are mere lip service and change nothing on the ground. This is a post diplomacy world now, whoever walks with the bigger stick will dictate the others.

This whole episode of Kashmir issue has many lessons for Pakistan. We now know our "allies" and "friend".

Post diplomacy world? What is that, lol.

It has always been about whoever holds the bigger stick, does not mean that the supposed victims or underDog lie down and spread their legs like Nawaz Sharif for a little personal financial advantage, wink wink.

I do agree with the last part of your post.

 

[Krptonite]

You are not playing the role of the confused well enough dear. You want to quantify success for India by the understandable lack of reaction of Gvernments looking to guard their trade and financial interests in India by overlooking the inhumane treatment of Kashmiris by Indian occupation.

Yes, you do need to rephrase your deliberate ignorance my delusional "roti ko chochi" accost, again and again and again.

Abrogation of Article 370 by Modi and his gang of RSS zealots was nothing short of holding a red rag to a bull by bragmaster who overlooks the most important part of doing something like that; getting out of the way.

Getting back up and learning the lesson is up to the extremist Gao Rakshak, Hindutva goons in India, who are not used to getting hit back, is possible but highly unlikely that you would learn your lesson from history:






Post diplomacy world? What is that, lol.

It has always been about whoever holds the bigger stick, does not mean that the supposed victims or underDog lie down and spread their legs like Nawaz Sharif for a little personal financial advantage, wink wink.

I do agree with the last part of your post.

Isn't it convinient, that for the last two posts I've asked you factual questions in support of your claims and all you've managed to do is berate me for being an ignoramus.

If all you can muster are personal insults to support your narrative, then further discussion is meaningless.

 

[Shane]

Isn't it convinient, that for the last two posts I've asked you factual questions in support of your claims and all you've managed to do is berate me for being an ignoramus.

If all you can muster are personal insults to support your narrative, then further discussion is meaningless.

Isn't it funny that you keep trying to defend the inhumane lockdown and continuous excommunication and violation of basic human rights in Indian Occupied Kashmir for more than two months now?

You know why you are irked by the spreading of truth and awareness against you?

Discussion with yourself is indeed meaningless because you lot have tried and berated the just freedom struggle of Kashmir as terrorism.

You lot try to portray yourselves as peaceful, caring and educated human beings like peaceful Hindus whereas you are extremist, Cow protection lynching and suppression/brutalization of minorities supporting, Hindutva zealots out to justify the ruthless, inhumane occupation of Kashmiris marked by mass graves, rapes, abductions and torture of men and women, kids as well as old; ordinary Kashmiri civilians in the name of countering terrorism.

You lot are the instigators, supporters and justifiers of state sponsored terrorism. The world may decide not to highlight or take actions against you because of their own interests not in conflict with India's for the time being but make no mistake about it dear; People of the world are gettimg aware of Hindutva Nazi Ideology emanating from India like never before.

I have repeatedly stated that the success of Agressive Pakistani diplomatic effort has had unprecedented awareness of Kashmir issue marked by events and realization that did not happen before on the world stage ; spread of awareness that there is a Nazi Hitler loving organization that has taken over India and the peace of the world is under threat due to India's increasing atrocities in Kashmir.

Do you realize why you are irked by the truth and awareness spreading against you in the world?

Do you know why you feel annoyed by the increasing and now continuous diplomatic efforts of Pakistan to show the real face of Modi's India?

This is what is being muttered out by Mehboba Mufti, herself a politician raised by the support of Indian Occupation in the name of democracy against Kashmiri freedom fighters: what a shame...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1182948521676169217

https://twitter.com/x/status/1182959845919485952

 

[Shane]

@Shane @PakSword @Verve @ps3linux

WE cann't trust these Gangufied, IoJK-sellers, these sarkari Muslims... they have blood of PakKashmiris on their hands.

Let us NEVER be misled by their tweets or their statements... all are designed to garner respect/legitimacy among PakKashmiris in occupied JK.

These are all scripted and designed from day 1!

All those house arrests are/were for show.... on flip of dime these same 'KashmiriLeaders' will be yapping Tarrorisht, Tarrorisht... and blaming Pakistan as always.

We stand with PakKashmiris not with these 'Gangufied, paid Leaders"

That is indeed true Sir. This exactly what I highlighted in my post before quoting her tweet, she is an occupation supported politician.

This is what is being muttered out by Mehboba Mufti, herself a politician raised by the support of Indian Occupation in the name of democracy against Kashmiri freedom fighters: what a shame...

I know my very dear brother!

I just wanted to be extra clear!!!

I am always awestruck by the way you highlight the key element(s) of any post.

Clear Mangusian dialect is indeed a halmark that you have made all your own.

Thank you for the way you do it and let ordinary Paks like myself learn.

Looks like the BJP Modi Government has rubbed Congress party loving Mehboba Mufti the wrong way too much, lol...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1182848676302995456

 

[Shane]

#Modi claims that "everything is fine in #Kashmir." Businesses remain shut, hospitals don't have medicine, & children can't go to school. Is this the #BJP's vision of "normalcy?"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1182023401931718656

https://twitter.com/x/status/1182006580071555073

 

[Thamizh Puli]

instead of 'aggressive diplomacy' the title should be 'aggressive mud slinging'. Because all those, including Imran Khan who allege atrocities and human rights violations at the same breadth complain against the complete blockade of communications. So how do they know what's going there?

This mud slinging was combined to some effect with the hiring of the lobbying firm Holland & Knight, did get them some press and even had a couple congressmen speak out of turn. Hopefully the general public in the US and in INdia can see through this charade

 

[HAIDER]

instead of 'aggressive diplomacy' the title should be 'aggressive mud slinging'. Because all those, including Imran Khan who allege atrocities and human rights violations at the same breadth complain against the complete blockade of communications. So how do they know what's going there?

This mud slinging was combined to some effect with the hiring of the lobbying firm Holland & Knight, did get them some press and even had a couple congressmen speak out of turn. Hopefully the general public in the US and in INdia can see through this charade

This issue next door, no need of lobby firms. Tweets travles faster then the bullet.

 

[Shane]

instead of 'aggressive diplomacy' the title should be 'aggressive mud slinging'.

You are some devious RSS goon to play a victim of mudslinging here.

This is the truth that puts to shame RSS supporter maggots here trying to justify Indian Occupation, ethnic cleansing and efforts to change the demography of Kashmir to subjugate the Muslim majority as it stands today.

@waz @The Eagle @Dubious @Khafee @ghazi52 @IceCold @Mangus Ortus Novem @PakSword @Signalian @Path-Finder @ps3linux @Reddington @Verve
Here is one voice of the truth like many others that mainstream Indian media does not cover but such sane voice are coming out from India :

 

[Fireurimagination]

70 days on, Valley's postpaid mobiles to come alive on Monday

So postpaid mobiles will be restored from tomorrow. Then only thing down would be then internet. Initially if the authorities can restore internet but keep WhatsApp and Facebook down, I think it would be great.

All of Jammu and all of Ladakh and peaceful parts of the valley have returned to 100% normalcy I believe.