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Kashmir; Aggressive diplomacy begining to have its effects
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The world is acknowledging the seriousness of calls by Pakistan that Nazi Hitler like actions of Modi Government is taking the region to the brink of war:
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UN rights experts urge India to end communications shutdown in Kashmir
GENEVA (22 August 2019) – UN human rights experts* today called on the Government of India to end the crackdown on freedom of expression, access to information and peaceful protests imposed in Indian-Administered Kashmir this month.
The experts expressed concern that the measures, imposed after the Indian Parliament revoked the Constitutionally-mandated status of the state of Jammu and Kashmir, would exacerbate tensions in the region.
Reports have described a near total communications blackout in Jammu and Kashmir since the evening of 4 August, with internet access, mobile phone networks, and cable and Kashmiri television channels cut off.
“The shutdown of the internet and telecommunication networks, without justification from the Government, are inconsistent with the fundamental norms of necessity and proportionality,” said the experts. “The blackout is a form of collective punishment of the people of Jammu and Kashmir, without even a pretext of a precipitating offence.”
The Government has also imposed a curfew across Jammu and Kashmir, bringing in massive numbers of troops to enforce restrictions on the freedom of movement and of peaceful assembly, particularly in the Kashmir Valley. “We remind the Indian authorities that the restrictions imposed by the Indian Government are intrinsically disproportionate, because they preclude considerations of the specific circumstances of each proposed assembly,” said the experts.
At the same time, information received suggests that there has been an increase in the arrest of political figures, journalists, human rights defenders, protesters and others.
The experts said they were deeply concerned by reports that security forces were conducting night raids on private homes leading to the arrests of young people. “Such detentions could constitute serious human rights violations,” the experts said. “The allegations must be thoroughly investigated by the authorities, and, if confirmed, those responsible must be held accountable.
“We are gravely concerned about allegations that the whereabouts of some of those detained is not known as well as the general heightened risk of enforced disappearances, which may proliferate against the backdrop of mass arrests and restricted access to the internet and other communications networks,” added the experts.
They also expressed serious concern about the use of excessive force against protesters, including the use of live ammunition, which could amount to violations of the right to life. “India has the responsibility to use the minimum force necessary when policing protests,” the experts said. ”This means that the use of deadly force is a measure permissible only as last resort and to protect life.”
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August 20, 2019 - 11:30 AM EDT
Why Kashmir is a crisis for the world, not just India and Pakistan
BY ADIL NAJAM,
GETTY IMAGES
The 15-member United Nations Security Council reluctantly gathered Friday in a closed-door session to discuss an issue it would have preferred to wish away but which, once again, has become impossible for the world to ignore: Kashmir.
They did what the U.N. often does - not much, but enough for both Pakistan and India to claim victory and gloat to their domestic audiences. Meanwhile, they had nothing to offer to the people of Kashmir, not even a word of consolation.
All of this creates a problem not just for the region but the world - and, perhaps, an opportunity for the United States to act in the world's best interests.
This crisis began on Aug. 5 when India unilaterally eliminated the autonomous status of the disputed territory of Kashmir that had been the fundamental legal basis and a primary condition of its temporary incorporation into India. Eleven days later, as the Security Council concluded its meeting, Indian-held Kashmir was still under complete lockdown: totally silenced and shuttered, home to one of the largest concentrations of military anywhere on the planet; its capital, Srinagar, turned into a barricaded garrison, the world's largest prison.
Famed Indian novelist Arundhati Roy and many other leading intellectuals have described the unilateral annexation of Kashmir as a body blow to Indian democracy with, in Roy's words, "a distinct whiff of colonialism." Importantly, between revoking parts of India's constitution (Article 370) and possibly engineering religious demographic change in Kashmir, the fundamental basis of India's relationship to Kashmir has been irrevocably changed.
As if on cue to remind anyone who might have forgotten just what is at stake - and just hours before the U.N. Security Council meeting - Indian Defense Minister Rajnath Singh raised the specter of nuclear war and triumphantly proclaimed that India might now abandon its "No First Use" nuclear doctrine. This, on the heels of threatening statements from India's ruling party leadership that the next step for India is to reconquer those parts of Kashmir currently under Pakistan control.
The mood in India has triggered the expected anger in Pakistan, with its Prime Minister Imran Khan accusing the Indian government of "acting like Hitler's Nazi party," describing Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's actions in Kashmir as a prelude to "ethnic cleansing" and warning the international community that ignoring India's actions would be appeasement.
Indian commentators are in shock at the extremist Hindu nationalism (Hindutva), jingoism and militant majoritarianism of Modi's Bharatiya Janta Party (BJP).
If you are saying to yourself, "But aren't India and Pakistan always like this - constantly at each other's throats, forever blaming the other, keeping the world on edge?" allow me to suggest that today's situation is dangerous and frightening at an entirely new level.
As the New York Times' editorial board argued, Modi's antics of Aug. 5 made the most dangerous place in the world - Kashmir - even more dangerous. In doing so, he has made the Kashmir question more "international" than it has been in at least half a century. Here is how:
One wonders if it is wise counsel or a dereliction of duty for the major powers to ask India and Pakistan to resolve their differences themselves. Any parent of squabbling children will confirm that the strategy of "just go away and sort it out yourself!" can only work so long, and often not at all. In this case, it has not worked for more than 70 years.
Given India's unilateral action, where is the space or scope for a bilateral conversation between India and Pakistan? Where might it take place? What might come of it? Yes, dialogue is always a good idea - but can anyone honestly see that happening without it being mediated by the Security Council or by a great power that can influence both Pakistan and India?
Which, of course, reminds us that there is one major power whose leader is ready and willing to mediate between India and Pakistan on Kashmir. This would be a good time for President Donald Trump to make good on his offer.
August 20, 2019 - 11:30 AM EDT
Why Kashmir is a crisis for the world, not just India and Pakistan
BY ADIL NAJAM,
GETTY IMAGES
The 15-member United Nations Security Council reluctantly gathered Friday in a closed-door session to discuss an issue it would have preferred to wish away but which, once again, has become impossible for the world to ignore: Kashmir.
They did what the U.N. often does - not much, but enough for both Pakistan and India to claim victory and gloat to their domestic audiences. Meanwhile, they had nothing to offer to the people of Kashmir, not even a word of consolation.
All of this creates a problem not just for the region but the world - and, perhaps, an opportunity for the United States to act in the world's best interests.
This crisis began on Aug. 5 when India unilaterally eliminated the autonomous status of the disputed territory of Kashmir that had been the fundamental legal basis and a primary condition of its temporary incorporation into India. Eleven days later, as the Security Council concluded its meeting, Indian-held Kashmir was still under complete lockdown: totally silenced and shuttered, home to one of the largest concentrations of military anywhere on the planet; its capital, Srinagar, turned into a barricaded garrison, the world's largest prison.
Famed Indian novelist Arundhati Roy and many other leading intellectuals have described the unilateral annexation of Kashmir as a body blow to Indian democracy with, in Roy's words, "a distinct whiff of colonialism." Importantly, between revoking parts of India's constitution (Article 370) and possibly engineering religious demographic change in Kashmir, the fundamental basis of India's relationship to Kashmir has been irrevocably changed.
As if on cue to remind anyone who might have forgotten just what is at stake - and just hours before the U.N. Security Council meeting - Indian Defense Minister Rajnath Singh raised the specter of nuclear war and triumphantly proclaimed that India might now abandon its "No First Use" nuclear doctrine. This, on the heels of threatening statements from India's ruling party leadership that the next step for India is to reconquer those parts of Kashmir currently under Pakistan control.
The mood in India has triggered the expected anger in Pakistan, with its Prime Minister Imran Khan accusing the Indian government of "acting like Hitler's Nazi party," describing Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's actions in Kashmir as a prelude to "ethnic cleansing" and warning the international community that ignoring India's actions would be appeasement.
Indian commentators are in shock at the extremist Hindu nationalism (Hindutva), jingoism and militant majoritarianism of Modi's Bharatiya Janta Party (BJP).
If you are saying to yourself, "But aren't India and Pakistan always like this - constantly at each other's throats, forever blaming the other, keeping the world on edge?" allow me to suggest that today's situation is dangerous and frightening at an entirely new level.
As the New York Times' editorial board argued, Modi's antics of Aug. 5 made the most dangerous place in the world - Kashmir - even more dangerous. In doing so, he has made the Kashmir question more "international" than it has been in at least half a century. Here is how:
- By unilaterally changing the status of an internationally disputed territory - which, although occupied by India, is also claimed by Pakistan and under sanction of multiple U.N. Security Council resolutions - all aspects of the international status quo on Kashmir have also been brought into question. This includes, for example, the very nature of the so-called "Lines of Control" that serve as borders between the Pakistan-, China- and India-occupied parts of Kashmir.
- The drastic nature of India's unilateral action reflects a de facto abandonment of its long-held position that all matters pertaining to Kashmir should be decided between Pakistan and India. This is a seismic foreign policy shift for India but also reflects a historical progression. India first took the Kashmir dispute to the United Nations in 1948, seeking a multilateral resolution and accepting the principle that the issue should be resolved on the basis of a plebiscite reflecting the will of Kashmiris. That referendum never happened. By 1972, India held more than 90,000 Pakistani prisoners of war and used its new leverage to enshrine in the Simla Agreement an insistence on a bilateral approach. Now, in 2019 - at a moment of India's economic and political confidence and of Pakistan's isolation and weakness - Modi has upped the ante again by declaring India's intent to '"solve" the Kashmir question unilaterally. India's new unilateralism has left the Simla Agreement dead; with no bilateral option to exercise, the still-simmering conflict has no place to go except to become international.
- Ultimately, the conflict in Kashmir has become international again not only because Pakistan and India have so miserably failed to resolve it bilaterally but because the human implications of this failure are so stark. It took nearly two weeks for India to begin easing just a few of the restrictions on movement and communication in Srinagar, but the government had to immediately reimpose the clampdown amid a wave of violent clashes. It is not clear how long Kashmir can remain barricaded, but it is very clear that normalcy can no longer be expected. Not surprisingly, the tension has spilled into deadly clashes between India and Pakistan. The prognosis is not good. Not good at all.
One wonders if it is wise counsel or a dereliction of duty for the major powers to ask India and Pakistan to resolve their differences themselves. Any parent of squabbling children will confirm that the strategy of "just go away and sort it out yourself!" can only work so long, and often not at all. In this case, it has not worked for more than 70 years.
Given India's unilateral action, where is the space or scope for a bilateral conversation between India and Pakistan? Where might it take place? What might come of it? Yes, dialogue is always a good idea - but can anyone honestly see that happening without it being mediated by the Security Council or by a great power that can influence both Pakistan and India?
Which, of course, reminds us that there is one major power whose leader is ready and willing to mediate between India and Pakistan on Kashmir. This would be a good time for President Donald Trump to make good on his offer.
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The truth is begining to come out. Indian occupation and its dark, inhumane and murderous clampdown on Kashmiris is becoming more and more exposed. Thousands have been abducted, scores are missing and with no access to remote villages, thousands more are believed to be in peril and face the threat of genocide at the hands of Butcher of Gujrat Modi Hitler and his Nazi Style Indian Occupation Army:
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Indian authorities say life is returning to normal in Kashmir. But thousands of people have been detained, and the military still patrols the streets, firing pellet guns and tear gas to quell protests.
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What’s Happening in Kashmir? Our Cameras Contradict India’s Official Story
LATEST VIDEO DISPATCHES
Indian authorities say life is returning to normal in Kashmir. But thousands of people have been detained, and the military still patrols the streets, firing pellet guns and tear gas to quell protests.
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India, after unilaterally abolishing article 370, thinks that Kashmir is an internal matter.. "Bilateral" is what agreed in Shimla agreement as well..Im sure Pak members believe Indians must be reacting along these lines 'OMG how dare he suggest 'bilateral solution' for Kashmir?'
But, India itself is saying all talks on kashmir will be only with Pakistan and there is no room for third party.
How is this aggressive diplomacy by Pakistan?
kuh bhi?
Is it too difficult to understand for Sanghees?
bhai aik baat karlo.. aaj you were saying in some other thread that India might delay..
It's the Khawaas (ruling elite) which runs towards them.--- their qibla awal is west.
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What you expect then?
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to have faith in word of Allah almighty.
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where are the effects? i don't see any.ground reality is same.
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one effect is modi getting a civil award from UAE.the other is https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/we-h...irspace-fawad-chaudhary.632610/#post-11721534
you can ask about other effects from op other than some tweets and some news articles.
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UN will not react beyond a few press releases or sessions at best. Its not about running to the UN. Whatever IK achieves in UN shall be a bonus as media coverage, keeping focus on Indian atrocities, promoting our narrative and interaction with western politicians is the real goal.
This is not mere childs play being discussed among keyboard warriors where a quick fix can be imagined and expected just as quickly as a 20 twenty cricket match because most people hate test matches and don't have the required patience or temprament for the longer version.
Do you know how long the RSS Sanghis have planned and worked towards their current rise to power in India and their clout in the west? Read >here<
The web of deceit being woven around Pakistan and Kashmir has geo political and strategic implications, to give you an idea think about the western tools of economic strangulation of which just one of those implications are FATF.
We have to play their game without getting caught in their trap while defeating them using war tactics that suit and favour us.
There are options thats have been war gamed, there are options being employed that are hurting the enemy on the ground as we speak.
Every strategy takes its time to playout. There are aspects, military and diplomatic that are utilized simultaneously in such a situation.
The diplomatic aspects are more debatable as we can see more or less the entire diplomatic chess game to comment on.
Whatever Pakistan has been able to achieve on diplomatic front is a miracle as ten years of rudderless criminal diplomatic neglect has left the FO in tatters.
India and even its Kashmir advisors and partners in crime Israel never expected such a strong response, demonstrations and diplomatic effort from Pakistan that has equated Modi with Hitler and RSS sanghis as Nazis on the world stage that even western media is resonating with Pakistani narrative.
A lot needs to be done to build on the initial successes both covert and overt and work on the lossess and weaknesses that we can all see and assess.
On the military front, Rest assured, Pakistan is prepaired and looking at all its war options. India wants an excuse to dessimate Azad Kashmir with indiscriminate shelling using long range artillery without even crossing the LOC. Pakistan cannot afford to reply in kind because of collateral damage to Kashmiri Muslims of IOK. Deliberately restricting the argument here.
Pakistan has to be clinical and lethal in our military options that we specialze in. It may very well be a long drawnout war like Afghan war, something the enemy does not want to fight and slowly bleed to death like Soviets but a conventional war that suits India more.
There are other lethal military options as well, this is not the thread to discuss it though. Any military option becomes more lethal when you can seperate your enemy from its allies or don't give excuses to fall in line against ones self instead.
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