Karzai to ask for lethal weapons, won't mind Indian troops on Afghan soil

[Harmonia Dragon]

sell to
afghan tejas & arjun..................

 

[muse]

Karzai needs the help - but does or will the US approve? I think Mr. Karzai may have jumped the gun if you will, He has not signed the SOFA yet, but he ultimately will have to -- and if he does leave to up to parliament, the US may end up getting what it needs to.

What does India get from passing on lethal aid and/or even troops on the ground? - lets, for sake of discussion, agree that the US will not stand in the way of the Indians deciding for themselves, what do the Indians get from this? How might the Pakistanis and "other" regional powers respond to this?

It is said that the international system is best understood in terms of capabilities nations bring to the global stage --- Can an Indian decision to funnel lethal aid and/or boots on the ground be possible without the assistance of Iran (ChahBahar)???

 

[karan.1970]

@karan.1970

Afghanistan is your only true ally

Not true

,it would be unfair if you don't extend the help they so desperately need.

We have and will continue to help Afghanistan, but not the way Pakistan wants us to

As I said. Always preferable than being occupied by foreign troops. Comprehension issues???

agreed that it may be preferable, but do you think its acceptable

That so.

When was India occupied by foreign troops ?

 

[notorious_eagle]

I would personally welcome Indian Military presence in Afghanistan. India has already flushed Anti Pakistani groups operating in Afghanistan with money and weapons, boots on the ground will go far to protect those groups and keep Karzai's Government intact Post 2014. Even Karzai knows that he has no future in Afghanistan Post 2014 once the Americans pack up and leave, it appears that only sincere commitment from India can save his regime. It would be wonderful if the Indians make a serious effort and protect their investment in Afghanistan, because if they don't put boots on the ground it will likely go to waste.

Not 1% Afghans support Taliban, even in villages, I am aware of it. All Taliban are illiterate and jobless morons of Pakistani tribal areas, lured by ISI as proxy PA fighters.
Taliban have support among Afghans, its a completely false narrative. Very few people understand it.

Is that why they control most of your country, some estimates suggest that they control more than 60% of your country. There is no way they can control this amount of territory and operate for this long against the world's mightiest military if they did not enjoy local support.

 

[somebozo]

Two solutions for Afghanistan.

1. Pakistan should annex the Pashtun majority parts while Tajik and Uzbeck majorities should be encouraged to join their respective countries.

2. Pakistan should build a giant fence on Af-Pak border manned by automatic guns shooting any intruder in range.

I would personally welcome Indian Military presence in Afghanistan. India has already flushed Anti Pakistani groups operating in Afghanistan with money and weapons, boots on the ground will go far to protect those groups and keep Karzai's Government intact Post 2014. Even Karzai knows that he has no future in Afghanistan Post 2014 once the Americans pack up and leave, it appears that only sincere commitment from India can save his regime. It would be wonderful if the Indians make a serious effort and protect their investment in Afghanistan, because if they don't put boots on the ground it will likely go to waste.



Is that why they control most of your country, some estimates suggest that they control more than 60% of your country. There is no way they can control this amount of territory and operate for this long against the world's mightiest military if they did not enjoy local support.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Two solutions for Afghanistan.

1. Pakistan should annex the Pashtun majority parts while Tajik and Uzbeck majorities should be encouraged to join their respective countries.

2. Pakistan should build a giant fence on Af-Pak border manned by automatic guns shooting any intruder in range.

I would prefer the second solution, and if the Afghans continue with their shenanigans we might as well implement this solution. Pakistan is slowly moving towards this option, we are already strengthening our presence of PA and FC on our Western borders. We are building bunkers and check posts, very soon we might as well put up fences and mine the entire border. We have hundreds and thousands of land mines in our surplus stocks, lets put them to good use.

 

[Digital Soldier]

Is that why they control most of your country, some estimates suggest that they control more than 60% of your country. There is no way they can control this amount of territory and operate for this long against the world's mightiest military if they did not enjoy local support.

Nobody support Taliban and mullahs anymore. 60% Taliban control idea is just your fantasy that makes you live happily for a moment.

 

[somebozo]

I would prefer the second solution, and if the Afghans continue with their shenanigans we might as well implement this solution. Pakistan is slowly moving towards this option, we are already strengthening our presence of PA and FC on our Western borders. We are building bunkers and check posts, very soon we might as well put up fences and mine the entire border. We have hundreds and thousands of land mines in our surplus stocks, lets put them to good use.

Pakistani population is a wimp and likes to be lead by strong rhetoric leader even if he will lead them to abyss with his BS. Think Jinnah for example who founded the country, Bhutto who destroyed its economy and Mard e Momin Zia ul Haq who set it on fire...It is a nation where Hitler will love to born again.

 

[itachiii]

Some Anti-tank Missiles, artillery guns and some Akash should be a good start...

the afghan army have to fight taiban .... and how would anti-tank missiles and akash hep them ??

 

[Mitro]

Karzai [Clown] Don't take him seriously He is only good for Entertainment
But wait i guess We do take him seriously

Bhai Karzai say bolo, main thori maang raha hon

Alhamdulillah No complain bro

Hows life treating you, young man ?

 

[jha]

the afghan army have to fight taiban .... and how would anti-tank missiles and akash hep them ??

I was not talking about their fight with Talibans.. They dont need much help in fighting them.. Anti-tank missiles and Akash will help them in fighting other interested forces..

 

[Sugarcane]

Karzai needs the help - but does or will the US approve? I think Mr. Karzai may have jumped the gun if you will, He has not signed the SOFA yet, but he ultimately will have to -- and if he does leave to up to parliament, the US may end up getting what it needs to.

What does India get from passing on lethal aid and/or even troops on the ground? - lets, for sake of discussion, agree that the US will not stand in the way of the Indians deciding for themselves, what do the Indians get from this? How might the Pakistanis and "other" regional powers respond to this?

It is said that the international system is best understood in terms of capabilities nations bring to the global stage --- Can an Indian decision to funnel lethal aid and/or boots on the ground be possible without the assistance of Iran (ChahBahar)???

Some more points - Just like India enjoys leverage on Iran because she is her customer for oil, China has upper hand because she is buying more oil and giving most of payment in US$ and also providing technology products which are banned, and assisting Iran to evade sanctions. So - Will China be happy with Indian influence more than threshold? And will Iran allow that Afghanistan get access to lethal weapons considering that Afghanistan have large number of Pashtuns who are more inclined towards KSA? They also have some disputes on water as well.

Re Pakistan - That will be raise concern but on other hand IF India put troops on ground than she will try to divert TTP (or some groups of it) towards India.

 

[SQ8]

Making such statements, Karzai may be emboldened by the recent disarray in the Taliban leadership.

 

[illusion8]

India has never had any sort of communication with the Taliban, and it likely never will. Not saying that they aren't capable, it's just that any link with the Taliban will make them look bad, if discovered.

Cannot be certain of that, there haven't been any attacks on Indian interests in Afghanistan after the ISI sponsored Haqqani attack on Indian consulates way back, wonder if there's any truce on the ground - just a thought.

 

[Areesh]

agreed that it may be preferable, but do you think its acceptable

Not acceptable. But if we have to choose between our own army and the foreign troops, then my choice always would be my own troops.

When was India occupied by foreign troops ?

Well weren't you occupied by mughals and british? India used to exist for thousands of years according to Indians here.