Karzai says India is friend, but, Pak twin brother

[Spring Onion]

Jana,

if JuD/LeT and the UJC are using Pakistani soil (its claimed by GoP that they are non-state actors) to launch attacks in Kashmir, its the same as Afghanistan allowing India(non-state actors) to use Afghan soil to attack Pakistan

innocent people dying Pakistan, Kashmir or Afghanistan due to terrorist attacks is the same anywhere.

In this equation its Indo-Pak and Pak-Afghan.


You can complaint to Pakistan about use of its soil against India BUT NOT use of Afghanistan against India.

On other hand India is not only using its soil for fomenting terrorism in Pakistani province Balochistan, and Using Afghan soil for unleashing terrorism in Pakistani province NWFP both the provinces have borders with Afghanistan.

 

[Chappal Chor]

Your ministers were part of that. The Afghan govt at that time was threatening to either blow it or let it land.


On the other hand NO not at all Afghanistan doesnt have any boundry with India so it can not be used for launching any attack inside India.

Actual boundaries not really needed these days to launch attacks. If that would have been possible then Americans would have never been victims of terrorist attacks....

 

[RobbieS]

On the other hand NO not at all Afghanistan doesnt have any boundry with India so it can not be used for launching any attack inside India.

It isn't!

 

[EjazR]

Agree with the above, but regarding Kashmir, honestly i dont see any way out between paksian and india. they both want kashmir for themsevles, it looks imposible.

The way out is there and it should be with consensus of the local Kashmiris. But first we have to create a peaceful environment. At present any pro-Indian politician can get shot or killed although the situation is a bit better. Before, even pro-independence politicians were getting killed.

Once terror attacks stop, paramilitary forces should be rolled back and J&K police can take up responsibility as it already is doing in many places. There should be free flow of trade and people after that and once people know the facts with the consensus of the local people and GoI and GoP a decision can be taken.


As I have said earlier between Musharraf and Sing an accord was already done and it was just an announcement away, we did it once, we can do it again.

 

[Windjammer]

Pakistan and Afghanistan share a common border, there are split families living on either side who visit each other on daily basis, hence the twin brother terminology, as for friendship, a friend in need is a friend indeed but in some cases it's a question of, let me be your friend.

 

[moody]

On the other hand NO not at all Afghanistan doesnt have any boundry with India so it can not be used for launching any attack inside India.

Afghanistan doesent share borders with USA either. but it was used to launch attacks on America.

 

[EjazR]

In this equation its Indo-Pak and Pak-Afghan.


You can complaint to Pakistan about use of its soil against India BUT NOT use of Afghanistan against India.

On other hand India is not only using its soil for fomenting terrorism in Pakistani province Balochistan, and Using Afghan soil for unleashing terrorism in Pakistani province NWFP both the provinces have borders with Afghanistan.

LeT/HUJI e.t.c use to maintain camps in Afghanistan, the Indian airlines plane that was hijacked was taken to Kandahar. Wanted terrorists captured by India of Pakistani origin were released IN Afghanistan. These are documented facts.

So the sad fact is Pakistanis (if not GoP) have used Afghan soil in the past to attack India.

Balochistan I can understand because there is a history there in the 1960s. But I still would need some concrete proof of TTP being supported by India. They don't need "support" by India and would be ideologically averse to do that. Its like saying Afghan Taliban and India will now become buddies because GoP has cracked down on them.

 

[Chappal Chor]

Pakistan and Afghanistan share a common border, there are split families living on either side who visit each other on daily basis, hence the twin brother terminology, as for friendship, a friend in need is a friend indeed but in some cases it's a question of, let me be your friend.

And then the person says "Yes please.........Our brothers are trying to give us the same medicine for the problem which they dont want in their own home"

 

[mjnaushad]

To be honest I dont care anymore what he says.....Remember when we gave him honor to be in oath taking ceremony of our President he said many good statement at that time but when he got back to his country i dont know what happend to him and his Anti Pakistan statements start coming. He didn't deserve that honor. He'll be the same after he'll get back in his advisors.

 

[Spring Onion]

Afghanistan doesent share borders with USA either. but it was used to launch attacks on America.

It was never used to launch attack on US. Go read the facts about that attack

 

[Spring Onion]

LeT/HUJI e.t.c use to maintain camps in Afghanistan, the Indian airlines plane that was hijacked was taken to Kandahar. Wanted terrorists captured by India of Pakistani origin were released IN Afghanistan. These are documented facts.

So the sad fact is Pakistanis (if not GoP) have used Afghan soil in the past to attack India.

Balochistan I can understand because there is a history there in the 1960s. But I still would need some concrete proof of TTP being supported by India. They don't need "support" by India and would be ideologically averse to do that. Its like saying Afghan Taliban and India will now become buddies because GoP has cracked down on them.

HuJI has never been based in Pakistan. It was creation of India which truned its guns at India.

LeT claims to be based in Held Kashmir.


If they were "terrorists" why your government negotiated with them and released them???

 

[EjazR]

the UJC (united jihad council) is based in muzaffarabad. The issue regular statements. HuJI is a member of that group. Salahuddin heads it and his statements keep coming in many Pakistani papers.

Moreover, in the 1998 fatwa where OBL stated that it is justified to kill innocent civilians including Americans, the head of HuJI--a pakistani-- was a signatory to the fatwa the only non-arab in the list of five signatories.

India was headed by the BJP. Jaswant Singh went and negotiated with them in Kandahar because a plane filled with 100+ Indians was hijacked and landed in Kandahar in their control and they said they would kill everyone if htese three terrorists were not released. One of them allegedly was later invovled in the murder of Daniel Pearl.

I don't agree with the GoI decision then. They should have been stronger but they wern't.

Primer on the hijacking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Airlines_Flight_814

I think this should put to rest the theory that Afghan soil has not been used to attack India. It has and India has legitimate security concerns just like Pakistan does.

 

[FireFighter]

I dont see any fundemantal dispute betweeen afgghanistan and pakistan, if they have an agreement and both parties repect it, i dont see the problem. Yes, there is a huge problem between india and pakistan. afghanistan has an excellent relationship with india, relationship with iran is good, relationship with CAR especiallly tajikistan is very good, and if both paksitan and afghanistan want they can also put the differences behind and have a fresh start. but it will need a set of new policies from both sides, old plocies failed and they wont work anymore.

If Karzai is really being honest in making Pak a brother, then he should shut down most of the Indian consulates in Afghanistan and stop stabbing Pak in the back through TTP and Indian consulates.


But the sad thing is that both Karzai and Zardari are history. Neither have power nor influence over the people. One more year and they will be gone back to their bases in the UK and US.

Pakistan should make agreements keeping in mind the future Afghan leadership that will stay in Afghanistan and is closer to the Afghan people.

Karzai is offering nothing but lip service. Also my way of looking at this statement is that you get to CHOOSE your friends, but BROTHERS are imposed on you. As they say these days bhai bhai ka nahi hota. So may be Karzai meant it to say this way???

Anyways, its good for the entire region to live in peace. The Afghans have been at war forever. The world owes them some peace now.

It's very easy to say but very hard to live in peace when you have 150,000+ foreign soldiers occupying your homeland.

 

[thebrownguy]

HuJI has never been based in Pakistan. It was creation of India which truned its guns at India.

LeT claims to be based in Held Kashmir.


If they were "terrorists" why your government negotiated with them and released them???

Newton's law- Every action has an equal, opposite reaction.

Zaid Hamid's law- Every theory has an opposite, conspiracy theory.

You seem to follow Hamid's law too seriously.

 

[mjnaushad]

Newton's law- Every action has an equal, opposite reaction.

Zaid Hamid's law- Every theory has an opposite, conspiracy theory.

You seem to follow Hamid's law too seriously.

And you guys NDTV....>DAS KADAM PAKISTAN KHATAM.


Regardless of i like zaid hamid or not. He is a Pakistani. And if your Insulting tone for him didn't change. Than mine respecting tone for Indian speaker and leaders will change. So watch it