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Hi,

Kartarpur Lahnga has serious repurcussions for hindustan in the near future and in the longer run---.

It is about time that the sikhs need to decide that they need a seperate state for themselves---seperate from hindustan---. They were used and they were abused for the last 7 decades in hindustan and the time is ripe to seek new horizons---.

Hindustan and Modi woud want to go to war with pakistan---which would result in the destruction of Punjab on both the side---.

If there is massive destruction in east Punjab---that would crush the sikhs and that is what Modi wants---.

Take the sikhs out of the indian military and there is nothing left---. Take the sikh punjab out of hindustan---hindustan may not be able to sustain itself---.
 
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Are you living in Indian Punjab?? A lot of Indians on this forum claim that there is no Khalistan separatist activity within India.
 
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This is going to be India's WATERLOO - I bet my house on it.

Hi,

It has to be---.

Only if the Paf had not been a traitor to pakistan and pakistan's defences---Pak military would have been in a very strong position to challenge india---.

If Gen Raheel Shareef had sent pak military to Yemen---pak military would have another 100 K troops multiple fighter and strike aircrafts---navy ships and other assets---.

With a strong Paf---pakistan would have been able to push thru its demand---stand up against the foreign intervention---
 
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I am gona play the devil's advocate here (so please don't bash me). Setting aside our anti-India mindset and revenge for India's fueling of the Baluchistan insurgency for just this instance, would an independent Sikh country be sustainable? It will be a landlocked country surrounded by bitter rivals India and Pakistan. It will be dependent on these 2 countries for any sort of trade.

Now some people will claim that atleast the Sikh will have their freedom, but if i look around i see Sikhs in every section of their society, either in the military or in their bureaucracy, from politics to business enterprises. So to me it looks like they already have full freedom to pursue whatever they want. So what will they achieve by having a separate country?

I have had a few Sikh friends and they seem happy to be part of India. I would really love to hear from any Sikh members on this topic

Hi,

It has to be---.

Only if the Paf had not been a traitor to pakistan and pakistan's defences---Pak military would have been in a very strong position to challenge india---.

If Gen Raheel Shareef had sent pak military to Yemen---pak military would have another 100 K troops multiple fighter and strike aircrafts---navy ships and other assets---.

With a strong Paf---pakistan would have been able to push thru its demand---stand up against the foreign intervention---

how so?
 
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I am gona play the devil's advocate here (so please don't bash me). Setting aside our anti-India mindset and revenge for India's fueling of the Baluchistan insurgency for just this instance, would an independent Sikh country be sustainable? It will be a landlocked country surrounded by bitter rivals India and Pakistan. It will be dependent on these 2 countries for any sort of trade.

Now some people will claim that atleast the Sikh will have their freedom, but if i look around i see Sikhs in every section of their society, either in the military or in their bureaucracy, from politics to business enterprises. So to me it looks like they already have full freedom to pursue whatever they want. So what will they achieve by having a separate country?

I have had a few Sikh friends and they seem happy to be part of India. I would really love to hear from any Sikh members on this topic



how so?

Hi,

The sikhs are not the masters of their own destiny at this time---. Once they become the masters of their fate---the decisions made at that time would determine their true future---.

Once east punjab becomes free---the and lock of east punjab may not hold for long---there will be a paradigm shift in the geography of hindustan---.

And there is a very good possibility that hindustan rather setting Khalistan free would rather see it destroyed---.

The sikhs have momentum building on their side---this is a 100 years opportunity---let us see how they avail of it---.
 
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The Khalistan movement exists, mostly outside India, in the immigrant pendu communities of Uk, USA and Canada. Keep watching -2020 will come and go by, with no real effect for this very reason.
It’s old kharkus who dream of being rulers of the Khalistan state, depressed teenagers and certain external funding that is keeping this alive. It’s going to start dying as the old kharkus start to pass away as they are the main source of money.

What the Sikhs really need is justice for 1984 to be served.
 
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Hi,

Kartarpur Lahnga has serious repurcussions for hindustan in the near future and in the longer run---.

It is about time that the sikhs need to decide that they need a seperate state for themselves---seperate from hindustan---. They were used and they were abused for the last 7 decades in hindustan and the time is ripe to seek new horizons---.

Hindustan and Modi woud want to go to war with pakistan---which would result in the destruction of Punjab on both the side---.

If there is massive destruction in east Punjab---that would crush the sikhs and that is what Modi wants---.

Take the sikhs out of the indian military and there is nothing left---. Take the sikh punjab out of hindustan---hindustan may not be able to sustain itself---.

Laughable !

The Sikhs decided in 47 which is why they moved eastward with a great deal of regret for leaving their homeland.

What repercussions does Kartapur have for India ?

Used & abused ? The community has produced Presidents , PMs , Def ministers, Chiefs of IAF & IA

Can you say the same for Ahmadis about whom the Pak FM was speechless yesterday?
 
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I have huge doubt that why every punjabi sikh even women are drug strict in huge huge numbers.
The numbers are mine boggling.
I am sure the youth has been put to drugs as to not be able to strong enough to ask for Khalistan...
 
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Hi,

Kartarpur Lahnga has serious repurcussions for hindustan in the near future and in the longer run---.

It is about time that the sikhs need to decide that they need a seperate state for themselves---seperate from hindustan---. They were used and they were abused for the last 7 decades in hindustan and the time is ripe to seek new horizons---.

Hindustan and Modi woud want to go to war with pakistan---which would result in the destruction of Punjab on both the side---.

If there is massive destruction in east Punjab---that would crush the sikhs and that is what Modi wants---.

Take the sikhs out of the indian military and there is nothing left---. Take the sikh punjab out of hindustan---hindustan may not be able to sustain itself---.
Navjoot Sidhu already hinted that 10 crore Sikh must me granted their rights....it about time..Khalistan 2.0 / 2020....
 
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Aren't there any Sikh on PDF to give us their viewpoint.
 
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The sikhs are not the masters of their own destiny at this time---. Once they become the masters of their fate---the decisions made at that time would determine their true future---.

Once east punjab becomes free---the and lock of east punjab may not hold for long---there will be a paradigm shift in the geography of hindustan---.

And there is a very good possibility that hindustan rather setting Khalistan free would rather see it destroyed---.

The sikhs have momentum building on their side---this is a 100 years opportunity---let us see how they avail of it-
Sir India is a country of 1300 Million, Sikhs are just 20 Million and not all of them wants Khalistan. Even back in the 80's when that movement had a widespread acceptance in Sikh community chances of its success were limited. And India has changed since then. Its no longer a sick economy lagging behind rest of the world but in fact is one of the fastest growing economies of the world. What benefit is there for Sikhs to seceded from such a state.

There can be many reasons why an ethnic group will want to secede from a multi-ethnic union.
1) They feel their identity is under threat
2) They feel they will gain economic freedom resulting in more opportunities for their people.

I don't think either of these conditions are true for Sikhs right now, but let's assume for argument sake that Sikh identity is under threat and they can economically benefit from a separate state. So would India just accept their demands and give them their freedom or would it crush it like it did back in 80's. The answer is of course India will crush it.

East Punjab has a population of 27 Million. Sikhs make around 60 percent of that so it will be 16 Million. Even if all 16 Million of them want freedom how difficult do you think it will be for a state of the size of India to crush such a rebellion.

The only way it is possible is with foreign intervention. Now none of the western countries will get involved, India is their ally. China would not militarily intervene. So that leaves Pakistan. Do you sincerely believe that even if PAF would have been in a position to take on IAF, we as a country are capable of an East Pakistan style intervention? No we are not.

So this is a lost cause.

And besides, India provides Sikhs with a lot more opportunities than a separate state ever will. This is the same reason why Pushtunistan movement never got much support within Pushtuns because they understand that staying within the federation provides them with a better life than having a separate state or forming a union with war-torn Afghanistan. The day Pakistan became economically un-viable vis a vis Afghanistan, we'll see such movements getting much more support.

The only way I see India breaking down is if there is an economic meltdown and one or a few of the larger Indian states decide to go their own way. It can be UP, Bihar, Maharashtra, Bengal or Southern States like Tamil Nadu, Andhra, Karnatka and Kerala as a block.

Now UP, Bihar and Maharshtra are ultra nationalistic so I don't think a case can be built there even with an economic meltdown. But Southern states($2500-$3000 per capita) can see Bihar($800 per capita) and UP($1000 per capita) as a burden that is dragging them down. This along with the North-South linguistic and cultural divide can cause the Southern states to quit the union. That will be next to impossible for an economically weak India to stop.

But currently this seems just a pipe-dream nothing else, but I assure you sir this pipe-dream has more chances of becoming a reality than E.Punjab and Sikhs gaining freedom from India.
 
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