Karakorum - 8 (K-8) | Jet Trainer Aircraft.

[Talon]

Will PAC going to work with Chinese on K-8 Block-II with some new design features:
Composites

• DSI Air Intake
• In-flight refueling system
• Landing Gears like JF-17s (retract within fuselage)
• Internal 20 m.m gun
• 7 External Hard points with 2-2.5 tons Payload or more
• New Engine
• Better Avionics

Never ever for most of these features..

 

[fatman17]

Armed JL8 / K8

 

[DarX]

Will PAC going to work with Chinese on K-8 Block-II with some new design features:
Composites

• DSI Air Intake
• In-flight refueling system
• Landing Gears like JF-17s (retract within fuselage)
• Internal 20 m.m gun
• 7 External Hard points with 2-2.5 tons Payload or more
• New Engine
• Better Avionics

• DSI Air Intake - Not required as the DSI is a replacement for a splitter plate which is itself not installed on the K-8.
• In-flight refueling system - Not required as the K-8 is not required to undertake such long range missions.
• Landing Gears like JF-17s (retract within fuselage) - No extra benefit
• Internal 20 m.m gun - Perhaps they might but then a redesign would be required and that may not be feasible.
• 7 External Hard points with 2-2.5 tons Payload or more - Wing can be stressed for 7 hardpoints but every plane has its limits and 2-2.5 tons payload is most likely too much for such a small plane.
• New Engine - If they require extra power, they might install a new engine.
• Better Avionics - Will probably be updated as time goes by.

 

[Windjammer]

PAF Sherdil Team in new colours over Sea View, Karachi.

 

[khanasifm]

So young pilots with 120 hours on t37/k8 plus another 50 or so on k8 fcu totalling around 170 jet hours go to f7pg and mirages get another 100 or so then some
Of them can go to jf and f16 ocu at peshawar and mushaf while rest continue on mirage and pg when both mirage and pg are gone then ?? I guess ...

 

[Talon]

So young pilots with 120 hours on t37/k8 plus another 50 or so on k8 fcu totalling around 170 jet hours go to f7pg and mirages get another 100 or so then some
Of them can go to jf and f16 ocu at peshawar and mushaf while rest continue on mirage and pg when both mirage and pg are gone then ?? I guess ...

170 hours on k8 are too much,cadets who fly k8 in AJFT and FCU may reach 100 hours on k8 but no chance for T37 riders.
Secondly,100 hours on f7/mirage are too less to go to F16/JF17,people usually go there when they are senior Flt Lts or Sqn Ldrs.Only * Flying Officers were sent on F16 right after EFCC(probably for the 1st time in PAF) 2 years back and NONE has been sent on JF17 after fcu or even with 100+ hours on f7/mirage,only Sqn Ldrs or senior are sent on JF17.
Even if u are an F16 pilot doesnt mean u'll always remain there,F16 pilots have been posted on mirages,k8 and even Helis.

 

[ghazi52]

Over Sea View, Karachi.

 

[khanasifm]

170 hours on k8 are too much,cadets who fly k8 in AJFT and FCU may reach 100 hours on k8 but no chance for T37 riders.
Secondly,100 hours on f7/mirage are too less to go to F16/JF17,people usually go there when they are senior Flt Lts or Sqn Ldrs.Only * Flying Officers were sent on F16 right after EFCC(probably for the 1st time in PAF) 2 years back and NONE has been sent on JF17 after fcu or even with 100+ hours on f7/mirage,only Sqn Ldrs or senior are sent on JF17.
Even if u are an F16 pilot doesnt mean u'll always remain there,F16 pilots have been posted on mirages,k8 and even Helis.

50 on mashaq then 120 on t37/k8 at academy before graduating then another 50 is so at fcu make total 170 jet hours

 

[STRANGER BIRD]

A formation of K-8 taxiing out.

 

[Windjammer]

 

[syed_yusuf]

Why is paf waisting money different color schemes

 

[Raider 21]

170 hours on k8 are too much,cadets who fly k8 in AJFT and FCU may reach 100 hours on k8 but no chance for T37 riders.
Secondly,100 hours on f7/mirage are too less to go to F16/JF17,people usually go there when they are senior Flt Lts or Sqn Ldrs.Only * Flying Officers were sent on F16 right after EFCC(probably for the 1st time in PAF) 2 years back and NONE has been sent on JF17 after fcu or even with 100+ hours on f7/mirage,only Sqn Ldrs or senior are sent on JF17.
Even if u are an F16 pilot doesnt mean u'll always remain there,F16 pilots have been posted on mirages,k8 and even Helis.

Sohail Aman is the man behind the program that allowed fresh graduates to go directly to F-16s without being operational on other platforms. And yes....you can be an F-16 pilot, but AHQ might send you to do CCS on Mirages, question on experience, grades, performance.....and connections (rare but if there are, you have double the pressure).

 

[Talon]

Sohail Aman is the man behind the program that allowed fresh graduates to go directly to F-16s without being operational on other platforms. And yes....you can be an F-16 pilot, but AHQ might send you to do CCS on Mirages, question on experience, grades, performance.....and connections (rare but if there are, you have double the pressure).

Yeah he had a plan to send young guys on viper and tried it but pilots only from 2 or 3 consecutive courses were sent.. none after that (maybe the results werent as expected).

 

[Raider 21]

Yeah he had a plan to send young guys on viper and tried it but pilots only from 2 or 3 consecutive courses were sent.. none after that (maybe the results werent as expected).

Yup....or requirements.

 

[khanasifm]

So in usaf cadets graduating from academy and conversion goes straight to f-16 I think it's just paf being more cautious otherwise most mordern af with f-16s like Turkish, usaf, Israelis etc after fcu they got straight to f-16 plus paf has options other than f-16 check paf f-16 sqn there is usually more majors or sqn leader then any other ranks

Usaf, 90 hours on primary and jet training. (T37/t6) and 120 hours on t38 (fcu) then f16 conversion so after total 210 hours of flying


http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a475920.pdf