Karakorum - 8 (K-8) | Jet Trainer Aircraft.

[airomerix]

why doesn't the smoke generator never works properly on PAF jets?
i watched Canadian Snowbirds last week, and they were perfect.

You should see Blue angels. They are the perfect definition of "Perfection"

 

[fatman17]

u cant compare blue angels with sherdils.
blue angels is a fully funded full-time job for its pilots and the sqdn has its own maintainers.
sherdils pilots are selected instructor pilots who practice when it is required for the sherdils to perform. under the circumstances they do a great job!

 

[Panther 57]

It is a nice shape indeed but i would like to see it in our grey schme

Colour scheme is to ensure quick spotting not camouflage. Keep in mind its in very raw hands.

u cant compare blue angels with sherdils.
blue angels is a fully funded full-time job for its pilots and the sqdn has its own maintainers.
sherdils pilots are selected instructor pilots who practice when it is required for the sherdils to perform. under the circumstances they do a great job!

Yes no comparison. Sherdil is a more difficult job then Red Arrows and Blue Angels. They are dedicated aerobatic teams.

 

[Pak_Sher]

PAF needs to also plan to induct superior training aircraft along with the K8s.

 

[fatman17]

JL-8/K-8 Karakorum - Update



Two Venezuelan K-8W intermediate jet trainers were flying in close formation. The aircraft was developed jointly by Hongdu Aviation Industrial Group (Hongdu) and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) in the late 80s with Pakistan providing 25% of the funding. It has max TO weight of 4,468kg, max level speed 800km/h, max climb rate 30m/s, max range 2,140km and ceiling 13,600m.

Only 6 K-8s were delivered to Pakistan in 1994. 6 more were delivered in 2003. Meanwhile the domestic JL-8 (also known as K-8J) which first flew in 1996 is currently in production. They are in service at the PLAAF and PLAN flight academies (S/N 1x3x, 1x5x, 2x1x, 2x3x, 3x2x, 3x3x, 3x4x, 4x5x, 4x7x, 4x8x, 84x0x), replacing the obsolete JJ-5s. However due to the US embargo on Allied Signal TFE731-2A turbofan, they have been powered by Ukrainian AI-25TLK turbofans, and is eventually to be powered by a locally designed WS-11 (an AI-25TLK clone, 16.87kN thrust).

The export version is generally better equipped with western components such as Martin Baker MK10L ejection seat and Collins EFIS and is able to carry PL-5E/PL-7 AAMs and a 23mm gun pod for air defence role. Besides Pakistan, Myanmar purchased 12, and Sri Lanka purchased 6. Several African countries also have bought K-8s, including Zambia, Zimbabwe and Namibia.

The real breakthrough came when Egypt signed a $345m deal to locally produce 80 K-8Es to replace her L-29 intermediate trainer. This has become a big boost to Hongdu's export effort in the competitive international market. The first two Egyptian K-8Es rolled out of the assembly line in late June 2001, carrying a 23mm gunpod under the fuselage and powered by an Allied Signal engine.

The assembly of all 80 K-8Es was accomplished by the end of 2005. A total of 500 K-8s were sold by 2010 and they account for 70% of the global market share. Meanwhile 400 JL-8s were ordered by PLAAF and PLAN. The newly established PLAAF Red Falcon Demonstration Team also flies JL-8s.

List of K-8 Overseas Customers
Country Number Comment
Pakistan 51
27 K-8Ps with glass cockpit were delivered by October 2010. Another 12 were delivered in September 2011.
Myanmar
12+60
60 more were ordered in late 2009. The delivery of first 12 started in mid-2010.
Sri Lanka
6
3 lost in 2002 during guerrilla attack, 3 delivered in July 2005
Zambia 15
8 K-8Ps were delivered in March 2012.
Namibia 4
Egypt 120
locally assembled K-8Es, 40 were ordered in mid-2005
Zimbabwe 12
1 crashed in September 2008
Ghana 4
2 K-8Ps delivered in March 2007, 2 more in March 2008
Sudan 12
6 K-8Ss delivered in 2007
Venezuela 18+22?
18 K-8Ws were delivered by September 2010. One crashed in July 2010. Another in November 2012. 10 more were built by July 2011.
Bolivia 6
6 K-8VBs were ordered in January 2010, delivered in April 2011.
Tanzania 6?
At least one was damaged during an aborted take-off on October 23, 2012.
- Last Updated 11/11/13

 

[shazlion]

How much one of these Cost ? and is it possible we can buy a fighter from France or Russia or China etc for the same price or little more instead of buying just Trainers so they can be use during War too

 

[aziqbal]

I don't see how the PAF has 51 x K-8 it's more like 39 minis any crashes

6 in 1994
6 more in 2003
And 27 more by 2010

That's 39 units

 

[razgriz19]

Empty weight = 2,687 kg

Max TO weight = 4,330 kg

Capacity = 1,643kg.

The above capacity of 1,643 is for a dynamic load. So on the ground like that it can probably carry 3 times as much. being conservative we could say twice and say 3,286 kg. ... ... say each of those 17 people weigh 80kg, that would total "only" 1,360kg.

its not as simple as you suggested.
pylons are attached to the wing spars, the whole wing does not carry weight.
That skin is probably 40/1000 of an inch thick. And by standing between the ribs, it can be damaged quite easily.

 

[Luftwaffe]

How much one of these Cost ? and is it possible we can buy a fighter from France or Russia or China etc for the same price or little more instead of buying just Trainers so they can be use during War too

O boy, these cost atleast $6-7 million there is no fighter from france or russia for that cost and this is a Trainer Aircraft. For fighter jets google though a poor source try wiki...

 

[Nishan_101]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10201185064800996

PAC needs to assemble it locally. Also they should ask the GoP for more money for K-8 Block-II along with JF-17 Block-III development.

 

[TaimiKhan]

PAC needs to assemble it locally. Also they should ask the GoP for more money for K-8 Block-II along with JF-17 Block-III development.

If you kept on going with your such idiotic rants, useless posts, i will be forced to send you on leave, and even then if you continued then a permanent ban will follow.


Grow Up now.

 

[Armstrong]

If you kept on going with your such idiotic rants, useless posts, i will be forced to send you on leave, and even then if you continued then a permanent ban will follow.


Grow Up now.

To parphrase a couplet from Musadas-e-Hali :

Yaroon kooo tujhe seii Taimi ye bud-gumaniyaan haiin,

Neendeen uchaaat detiii teriii ravaniyaaan haiin !

Sir hurrr waqt itnii seriousness nahin achiii hotiii dil behlaneiii ko sochneiii deiiin keiii Jf-17 Block 2, Raptor ka chotaaa Bhaiii ho gaaa !

 

[fatman17]

I don't see how the PAF has 51 x K-8 it's more like 39 minis any crashes

6 in 1994
6 more in 2003
And 27 more by 2010

That's 39 units

actually 28 were in the inventory by 15th April 2010. a further 12 have been delivered since. total 40. i havnt heard of any attritions?

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

Sudanese AF JL - 8 (K-8)

 

[fatman17]