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soon Hongdu L-15 be the part of paf
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why would PAF get L-15?
K-8 is enough for jet training and for fighter conversion.
besides we will have twin-seat Jf-17s for any other advance training.
 
K8 is a good platform for COIN ops. It can be used where precision strkies are not needed. This will save arframe/engine hours of more costly (In terms of maintenance) aircrafts in PAF. US was using prop driven and Dragonflies for COIN warfare in Vietnam.

We can do the same in FATA where we do not have a SAM threat.

I do not know but it can also be explored for a tank busting role provided air superiority is guaranteed and SAM threat is low.

USAF has recently upgraded their A-10 to C standard with enhanced countermeasures and netcentric capability keeping the 30 MM gatling gun intact.

PAF can look at producing a dedicated version of K-8 with atleast a 20MM canon, (Can be in external pods) chaff/flares dispensers, ATLIS pod, and net-centric capability.

This would require upgrading the engine and strengthening the wings for more hardpoints -- for starters.
 
Hi,

Not so easy------A 10 provides extreme protection to the pilot---the pilot sits in a titanium bathtub and is protected from ground fire----K8 has no such protection---so yes---it can be a good coin aircraft but at the expence of the pilot---.

If pak needs to make a decicated coin aircraft---then they need a titanium bathtub as well for this air craft.
 
So let me get this straight

PAF will use

Mushak for basic training

K-8 for Intermediate training & for fighter conversion too ?
 
why would PAF get L-15?
K-8 is enough for jet training and for fighter conversion.
besides we will have twin-seat Jf-17s for any other advance training.
reason for this that soon we will get fc-20 and 5th generation jet we now also hav ef-16 block 52 for all these we need modern trainer
 
I am sure that if we have put some more money on the JF-17 Block-1 like using the composite as much as possible with RD-93Bs and more over a dual version of the Block-I, which then can be used by PAF or PLAAF and other AFs as AJT/LIFT role, even gulf countries will love to buy it.
 
why would PAF get L-15?
K-8 is enough for jet training and for fighter conversion.
besides we will have twin-seat Jf-17s for any other advance training.

LIFT/AJT role

2 seat JF-17 would be used pilot conversion to JF-17.not as advanced trainer per say
 
Russian media 50 years, detailed data on arms exports to Burma




K-8 trainer aircraft take-off training According to the Russian military Equality Network reported on February 10, the exposure on the Internet recently a called the “form of the arms trade in Myanmar, detailed disclosure of the countries in the world for half a century a variety of weapons and equipment exports to Myanmar. Traditional allies, China to Burma large supply of a variety of advanced weapons.
Russian media said China’s exports to Myanmar a variety of weapons and equipment transactions as follows:

according to the contract signed in 1988, China to Myanmar in 1989-1991 supply three sets of JLG ‘-43 search radar and The three sets of JLP was-40 air search radar;

According to the 1989 contract, delivered in 1989-1990, 55 of 63 tanks; According to the 1989 contract, the supply in 1990, 30 69 and WZ-121 tanks and 100 units 85 and YW-531H armored personnel carriers;

According to the 1990 contract, in 1991-1992 delivered 12 F-6 fighter; According to the 1990 contract, the delivery of 12 F-7M fighters in 1990-1991 and the use of 75 “Thunderbolt II” short-range air-to-air missiles;

According to the 1990 contract, in 1990-1992 to supply 200 sets of the HN-5A portable surface-to-air missile system;

According to the 1990 contract, 1991-1993 10 sets of 037-type patrol boats; export to Burma to Myanmar in 2002-2003 according to the 1991 contract, the delivery of five sets of EFR-1 fire-control radar; According to the 1991 contract, the supply in the 1998-2002 five-76 37 mm gun; in 1994 According to the 1991 contract to supply four transport -8 transport;

According to the 1992 contract to supply 24 A-5C attack aircraft in 1997-1998; According to the 1992 contract, in 1993 the supply of 12 F-7M fighter and a set of JY-8A fire control radar; in 1992-1998 according to the 1992 contract, the delivery of 225 F-7M, and A-5C fighter “Charlie 2″ short-range air-to-air missiles; According to the 1993 contract, in 1998-1999, the supply of 12 F-7M fighters and 40 “Thunderbolt II”, 40 “Thunderbolt-5B” short-range air-to-air missiles;

According to the 1993 contract year delivered four sets of 311-type fire control radar, 50 Type 63 light tanks, 150 Type 85 armored personnel carriers YW-531H, 30 Type 63 107 mm towed rocket launchers and 24 74 – 37 mm gun; 1993 contract, for delivery in 1995 50 69 and WZ-121 tanks;

According to the 1994 contract, in 1995-1997 the supply of 50 C-801 (CSS-N-4) anti-ship missiles and six 037-1G missile boats; According to the 1996 contract, delivered in 2004-2005, three sets of 344 fire control radar;, 12 K-8 trainer aircraft delivered in 1999, according to the 1997 contract;

According to the 2001 contract, in 2004 delivered in 2007 eight AK-230 30 mm gun; According to the 2001 contract, delivered in 2004-2005, 30 C-801 anti-ship missiles; 2009, China and Myanmar signed 50 (It is said that 60 72) K-8 trainer aircraft, has been delivered, yet unknown.

Russian media said exports to Myanmar, in addition to China, the country of weapons of Bulgaria, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, India, Israel, Italy, Japan, Korea, Poland, the Soviet Union/Russia Yugoslavia/Serbia, Montenegro, the United Kingdom, Ukraine and the United States.


Source: By the Compiled: woodlands, 13 February 2012 (Military of China, force comment. and XAIRFORCES - Aviation Society)

Photo: The Myanmar Air Force K-8 Trainer Aircraft (Photo by Military of China, force comment.)
 
I think the K-8 will be more survivable than the AH-1

Hi,

Nowhere close my man----the AH-1 will slaughter the enemy whereas the k8 will be fighting for its life----. They really are for two different roles----and both are a part of the package to fight a successful campaign.

You need both----it is just that the area where the pilot sits needs to have a titanium tub.
 
So does PAC and the Chinese working a K-8II with composites, landing gears like the JF-17s have, seven hard points, improved avionics and new Chinese Engines/ Ukranian Engines??????
 
Great News form PAC / CATIC ...

CATIC Hands over Eight K8P Trainers to Zambia Air Force
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On 21st March 2012, CATIC officially hands over eight K8P trainers to Zambia Air Force at Mumbwa air base in Zambia. The Zambian Air Force now operates 15 K-8 trainers.

The K-8 (Karakorum 8) can perform various daily and aerobatic fighter training as well as air-to-air and air-to-ground armament training. It is equipped with state-of-the-art engine, avionics, escape system and etc. The K-8 is of excellent performance and high reliability in a relatively low operational cost. Besides, to fulfill the wide range of requirements, K-8 serial aircrafts have been developed into a bigger family with various avionic systems and cockpits.
 
Zambia receives K-8 aircraft

Helmoed-Römer Heitman Correspondent


The Zambian Air Force (ZAF) took delivery of a second batch of eight Chinese K-8P Karakoram jets on 12 April.

The aircraft were formally accepted into service at Mumbwa Air Force Base after being delivered by China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC).

The ZAF took received the first batch of eight K-8s in 1999, which are mainly employed in the patrol and light attack roles, as well as for operational training.

During the acceptance ceremony for the aircraft, Defence Minister Geoffrey Mwamba said that some of the older K-8s had been upgraded in China and returned to Zambia in November 2011.

He added that Zambia is in the process of procuring additional platforms from CATIC, including helicopters. "All this underscores the wonderful relations we share [with China]," he said.
 
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