Karachiites! Have you ever tried to look at PPP objectively?

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Asalam Alikum,

Born and bred Karachiite here. A Local Urdu Chap from Karachi.

What was going in my head for days and days, I want to write here.


PPP was formed in November 30, 1967, She is the OLDEST political party of Pakistan.

Her Leader, Bhutto, at one point, was hanged. Since then, she has extensive experience in fighting establishment here and there.

It has her OWN pride and light. You can't deny that. Instead you can see it.

Yes, there are EXTREME Corruption, nepotism and nasty moves by her, much at cost of country and Karachi/Hyderabad.

But there can be some reasons behind it. For example:-

PPP can win over SIndh easily without getting votes from Karachi, right? So why they should work in Karachi? On top of that, you have MQM constantly taunting and shouting on Sindh Government - often giving ethnic color to situations. Don't you think they will lose their will if there is any, to work in Khi?

Now, Look at media coverage of PPP....Constant Negative Bombardment on them....well for right reasons often.

PPP observes that nothing this sort of hostility exists in Punjab nor Punjab government ever faces such hostile opposition/media? This make them angry and frustrated and in result, they take their anger out on Khi/Hyderabad.

What makes you think, considering above mentioned facts, that PPP - dominated by Feudal Lords, will ever work for Karachi/Hyderabad?

The funny thing is PML-N is literally same - just bit better in developing things here and there.

Have you ever wondered why there are so many Urdu Walas in PPP? Some prominent names are:-

Taj Haider,
Shehla Raza,
Murtaza Wahab
Sharmila Faruqi

These all above dudes come on TV and are face of PPP on media...Ever thought about this?

Now, there is a news by Samaa TV - That it is BILAWAL's wish to appoint Murtaza Wahab as administrator Karachi. It may not bring much change in Khi but it is definitely one heck of a move by PPP......Murtaza dude can talk really well on media and since he is Urdu Guy, PPP is hoping that Karachi media won't be as hostile to him as to other ethnicity or Sindhi.

Are you not noticing something? The Karachi media hostility has DRASTICALLY dropped towards PPP after confirmed news of Murtaza getting appointed as administrator. I noticed it again and again.

The BIG NAME Kamran Khan - who keeps a close eye on Karachi issues, was very cordial with Young Educated Murtaza Wahab.

Do you know what Nasir Hussain Shah - Sindhi minister of PPP said on Murtaza Wahab being appointed as administrator Karachi??

Karachi ka beta hai - Urdu Speaking hai.

He said this while giving interview to Aaj Tv - Don't have video of that but I listened/watched that news bulletin.

Here is another news: Karachi dude - Taha Saleem, Urdu chap has been made DC of Central Karachi - My hometown comes here. He is quite active on Twitter and my people are happy to see him over there. They can relate and feel ownership. He is already in touch with prominent Khi chaps.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1421410991678623751

https://twitter.com/x/status/1421440011224985603

There are Signs for PTI here when it comes to Karachi/Hyderabad. People of Khi may like Imran Khan and have voted for him but that doesn't mean people here will like other ethnicites dominating Karachi politically. Karachi has seen ethnic violence and still is a sensitive city.

PTI urgently needs Young Smart Urdu Dude to be her face in Karachi/Hyderabad to counter Murtaza Wahab....This is 2021 not 2018 where people will vote whoever PTI brings forward in name of Imran Khan.

PPP's these moves have confused PTI in Karachi. Murtaza Wahab gains more attention of media than Sher Zaman of PTI Karachi. This is bad for PTI

Karachi doesn't have nationalist groups but still we want to vouch for our guy to see if he can PERFORM.

If Young Bilawal wants to have a new start in Karachi then why cannot people of Karachi see him and judge him from new angle?

Hating and criticizing PPP all the time? What did we get out of this? Did establishment help? Did anyone help? Instead we and MQM were just being used against PPP to neutralize her.....That was our total worth for Pakistani state till now. State still deals with PPP and COAS is having telephone call with Bilawal...Woah!

We cannot fight PPP forever...We live in Sindh - cannot fight the party which has remained home party of Sindh for decades.

Too much hostility b/w two - The third guy takes advantage of it and robs both. Happens in Pakistan and world all the time.

I would like to fight for my rights but not at cost of my community is being used and fooled - I WILL HATE that.

Note: I am a two times voter of PTI - waiting for Imran Khan to come into Sindh. I Don't like Feudals and want IK to get complete control over SIndh province......Sindhis vote for PPP because they don't have alternative. Yeah, that's true.

PPP by and large - is a corrupt to core party but if they are giving respect to Karachiites - I say , we should take it....

Putting all eggs in one basket is never a GOOD idea. PPP is a political reality in Sindh and will remain so for foreseeable future. Side with PTI but don't go overboard against PPP.

We need to have a FRESH look at PPP and as far as PTI is concerned, she needs to introduce Urdu face here in Karachi if she wants Khi people/media attention. Introduce Mustafa Kamal - he may do magic for PTI as there is no one as competent as him when it comes to Karachi. He can do the work and also can talk on media well.


@Areesh @mikkix @Syed1. @pakpride00090 @baqai

 

[hussain0216]

So you are giving excuses why you are going to vote PPP???????

Some Ethnocentric crap?

And then when PPP does fcuk all, like they always have to our going to cry about the establishment?



Is this how it works?

 

[H!TchHiker]

Lol ...PPP do gets vote from rest of the Sindh and even there no development and other works..
Problem with karachi is that there leaders and "our guy" are all sell out along with other things ...
Did some one stop Mqm to protest and dhrna in islamabad ? Or Karachi ? They were ready to kill every body but not protest for rights ...
They are sitting in federal government ..being part of provincial government except the current one ...
While I agree to later part ..establishment loves PPP and therefore not care about sindh ...look at how things were managed in Punjab before elections while Sindh is left to PPP...
How they have concern on buzdar not delivering in Punjab but nothing for Sindh..while we agree or not shareefs were corrupt but 10 times better in performance then PPP..anyone who has live on both side will testify ...no one wants to live in karachi if compare to lahore

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Shehla Raza

She doesn't consider herself urduspeaker or muhajir even if she isn't Sindhi. There was Karachi before 1947 that got migrants from outside Sindh. She is one of those.

 

[baqai]

The reason why PPP never paid any attention to Karachi was because they were not getting any votes from here, we cannot compare PMLN because Shahbaz Shariff REALLY turned around Lahore into what it is right now so they actually have a case study to fall back on when it comes to claiming performance

PPP does not have any such case study of a cosmopolitan, they have done work in form of NICVD and other initiatives but they are based in internal Sindh and as we know the rule of marketing "ju dikhta hai woh bikta hai" No proper marketing of any work done was done by them until very recently when the younger crowd came forward, In Sindh like in rural Punjab unfortunately you get votes based on baradri, caste, family, village, landlord etc basis so you get that power figure of the area under your belt and you will get the seat, these power figures for ages have been jumping from one party to another and even if they are not in power someone from their immediate or close family is in power while they sit in opposition.

Majority of PTI voters regret voting for PTI now, there are still people who still have hope, but by all practical means they have done nothing for the city, sirf mu kai fire nothing more nothing less

I believe this recent shift in PPP policy is catered exactly for this gap, in next election they want to win more seats from Karachi and for that they need a softer local face and that's exactly what Murtaza is, A little bit late to the party though, if they had done this from the very start and actually had performed and did something for the city it would have helped their cause, for me as a Karachi voter i will be skeptic as in my opinion last two people who actually worked for this city were Naimutullah Khan and than followed by Mustafa Kamal who took Naimutullah's work and worked hard and round the clock (eye witness at 4:30 am) to ensure work was being done.

Who do we have from PTI who can work or be someone like Naimutullah and Mustafa Kamal? What are the names which come to your mind? Khurram Sher Zaman? Aamir LIaquat? Faisal Vawda? Arif Alvi?

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

So you are giving excuses why you are going to vote PPP???????

Some Ethnocentric crap?

And then when PPP does fcuk all, like they always have to our going to cry about the establishment?

Is this how it works?

I have not decided to vote ppp....YET

All I am saying that Karachiites - can't afford hostilities with her for too long if they really want to develop their city.....There should be working relationship.

Establishment so far has not cared for Karachi much...any example?

Lol ...PPP do gets vote from rest of the Sindh and even there no development and other works..
Problem with karachi is that there leaders and "our guy" are all sell out along with other things ...
Did some one stop Mqm to protest and dhrna in islamabad ? Or Karachi ? They were ready to kill every body but not protest for rights ...
They are sitting in federal government ..being part of provincial government except the current one ...
While I agree to later part ..establishment loves PPP and therefore not care about sindh ...look at how things were managed in Punjab before elections while Sindh is left to PPP...
How they have concern on buzdar not delivering in Punjab but nothing for Sindh..while we agree or not shareefs were corrupt but 10 times better in performance then PPP..anyone who has live on both side will testify ...no one wants to live in karachi if compare to lahore

MQM really makes me angry. I agree with you on that. Had they been in senses - they wouldn't have had face humiliation.

Agree with your later para as well. They have concerns on Buzdar while kissing PPP right and left....So, why should we fight PPP ?

She doesn't consider herself urduspeaker or muhajir even if she isn't Sindhi. There was Karachi before 1947 that got migrants from outside Sindh. She is one of those.

...

The reason why PPP never paid any attention to Karachi was because they were not getting any votes from here, we cannot compare PMLN because Shahbaz Shariff REALLY turned around Lahore into what it is right now so they actually have a case study to fall back on when it comes to claiming performance

PPP does not have any such case study of a cosmopolitan, they have done work in form of NICVD and other initiatives but they are based in internal Sindh and as we know the rule of marketing "ju dikhta hai woh bikta hai" No proper marketing of any work done was done by them until very recently when the younger crowd came forward, In Sindh like in rural Punjab unfortunately you get votes based on baradri, caste, family, village, landlord etc basis so you get that power figure of the area under your belt and you will get the seat, these power figures for ages have been jumping from one party to another and even if they are not in power someone from their immediate or close family is in power while they sit in opposition.

Majority of PTI voters regret voting for PTI now, there are still people who still have hope, but by all practical means they have done nothing for the city, sirf mu kai fire nothing more nothing less

I believe this recent shift in PPP policy is catered exactly for this gap, in next election they want to win more seats from Karachi and for that they need a softer local face and that's exactly what Murtaza is, A little bit late to the party though, if they had done this from the very start and actually had performed and did something for the city it would have helped their cause, for me as a Karachi voter i will be skeptic as in my opinion last two people who actually worked for this city were Naimutullah Khan and than followed by Mustafa Kamal who took Naimutullah's work and worked hard and round the clock (eye witness at 4:30 am) to ensure work was being done.

Who do we have from PTI who can work or be someone like Naimutullah and Mustafa Kamal? What are the names which come to your mind? Khurram Sher Zaman? Aamir LIaquat? Faisal Vawda? Arif Alvi?

I agree with your first para.

Regarding later, I think PTI is still doing some things here and there. IK is coming here as well in coming week. Announced recently to complete Green line as soon as possible

Yes, you are right.....PTI doesn't have Local face in Karachi yet...PPP has sensed that and brought forward Murtaza.

PTI needs to hire Mustafa Kamal here. He is a heavyweight dude. Will IMMENSELY help PTI.

 

[H!TchHiker]

I have not decided to vote ppp....YET

All I am saying that Karachiites - can't afford hostilities with her for too long if they really want to develop their city.....There should be working relationship.

Establishment so far has not cared for Karachi much...any example?



MQM really makes me angry. I agree with you on that. Had they been in senses - they wouldn't have had face humiliation.

Agree with your later para as well. They have concerns on Buzdar while kissing PPP right and left....So, why should we fight PPP ?



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I agree with your first para.

Regarding later, I think PTI is still doing some things here and there. IK is coming here as well in coming week. Announced recently to complete Green line as soon as possible

Yes, you are right.....PTI doesn't have Local face in Karachi yet...PPP has sensed that and brought forward Murtaza.

PTI needs to hire Mustafa Kamal here. He is a heavyweight dude. Will IMMENSELY help PTI.

No benefit to go for PPP...it's better to create competition ...and ask for work ..look at it
Interior Sindh ...no rival ...no work ..
South Punjab ...same jaddi pushti people ...sardars...no work..no need because people will vote them anyhow
Balochistan ...same case
In comparison look at central Punjab they voted for PTI even with work done by pml n to create more competition ...
Look at KP also ...
So when people vote for biasness and there love for sardars ...why would the feel to do anything ...

 

[Areesh]

@PaklovesTurkiye

I hope you are banned permanently for creating this thread

 

[Patriot forever]

Asalam Alikum,

Born and bred Karachiite here. A Local Urdu Chap from Karachi.

What was going in my head for days and days, I want to write here.


PPP was formed in November 30, 1967, She is the OLDEST political party of Pakistan.

Her Leader, Bhutto, at one point, was hanged. Since then, she has extensive experience in fighting establishment here and there.

It has her OWN pride and light. You can't deny that. Instead you can see it.

Yes, there are EXTREME Corruption, nepotism and nasty moves by her, much at cost of country and Karachi/Hyderabad.

But there can be some reasons behind it. For example:-

PPP can win over SIndh easily without getting votes from Karachi, right? So why they should work in Karachi? On top of that, you have MQM constantly taunting and shouting on Sindh Government - often giving ethnic color to situations. Don't you think they will lose their will if there is any, to work in Khi?

Now, Look at media coverage of PPP....Constant Negative Bombardment on them....well for right reasons often.

PPP observes that nothing this sort of hostility exists in Punjab nor Punjab government ever faces such hostile opposition/media? This make them angry and frustrated and in result, they take their anger out on Khi/Hyderabad.

What makes you think, considering above mentioned facts, that PPP - dominated by Feudal Lords, will ever work for Karachi/Hyderabad?

The funny thing is PML-N is literally same - just bit better in developing things here and there.

Have you ever wondered why there are so many Urdu Walas in PPP? Some prominent names are:-

Taj Haider,
Shehla Raza,
Murtaza Wahab
Sharmila Faruqi

These all above dudes come on TV and are face of PPP on media...Ever thought about this?

Now, there is a news by Samaa TV - That it is BILAWAL's wish to appoint Murtaza Wahab as administrator Karachi. It may not bring much change in Khi but it is definitely one heck of a move by PPP......Murtaza dude can talk really well on media and since he is Urdu Guy, PPP is hoping that Karachi media won't be as hostile to him as to other ethnicity or Sindhi.

Are you not noticing something? The Karachi media hostility has DRASTICALLY dropped towards PPP after confirmed news of Murtaza getting appointed as administrator. I noticed it again and again.

The BIG NAME Kamran Khan - who keeps a close eye on Karachi issues, was very cordial with Young Educated Murtaza Wahab.

Do you know what Nasir Hussain Shah - Sindhi minister of PPP said on Murtaza Wahab being appointed as administrator Karachi??

Karachi ka beta hai - Urdu Speaking hai.

He said this while giving interview to Aaj Tv - Don't have video of that but I listened/watched that news bulletin.

Here is another news: Karachi dude - Taha Saleem, Urdu chap has been made DC of Central Karachi - My hometown comes here. He is quite active on Twitter and my people are happy to see him over there. They can relate and feel ownership. He is already in touch with prominent Khi chaps.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1421410991678623751

https://twitter.com/x/status/1421440011224985603

There are Signs for PTI here when it comes to Karachi/Hyderabad. People of Khi may like Imran Khan and have voted for him but that doesn't mean people here will like other ethnicites dominating Karachi politically. Karachi has seen ethnic violence and still is a sensitive city.

PTI urgently needs Young Smart Urdu Dude to be her face in Karachi/Hyderabad to counter Murtaza Wahab....This is 2021 not 2018 where people will vote whoever PTI brings forward in name of Imran Khan.

PPP's these moves have confused PTI in Karachi. Murtaza Wahab gains more attention of media than Sher Zaman of PTI Karachi. This is bad for PTI

Karachi doesn't have nationalist groups but still we want to vouch for our guy to see if he can PERFORM.

If Young Bilawal wants to have a new start in Karachi then why cannot people of Karachi see him and judge him from new angle?

Hating and criticizing PPP all the time? What did we get out of this? Did establishment help? Did anyone help? Instead we and MQM were just being used against PPP to neutralize her.....That was our total worth for Pakistani state till now. State still deals with PPP and COAS is having telephone call with Bilawal...Woah!

We cannot fight PPP forever...We live in Sindh - cannot fight the party which has remained home party of Sindh for decades.

Too much hostility b/w two - The third guy takes advantage of it and robs both. Happens in Pakistan and world all the time.

I would like to fight for my rights but not at cost of my community is being used and fooled - I WILL HATE that.

Note: I am a two times voter of PTI - waiting for Imran Khan to come into Sindh. I Don't like Feudals and want IK to get complete control over SIndh province......Sindhis vote for PPP because they don't have alternative. Yeah, that's true.

PPP by and large - is a corrupt to core party but if they are giving respect to Karachiites - I say , we should take it....

Putting all eggs in one basket is never a GOOD idea. PPP is a political reality in Sindh and will remain so for foreseeable future. Side with PTI but don't go overboard against PPP.

We need to have a FRESH look at PPP and as far as PTI is concerned, she needs to introduce Urdu face here in Karachi if she wants Khi people/media attention. Introduce Mustafa Kamal - he may do magic for PTI as there is no one as competent as him when it comes to Karachi. He can do the work and also can talk on media well.


@Areesh @mikkix @Syed1. @pakpride00090 @baqai

Bro they ruled Sindh for 30 yrs, got votes from interior Sindh since eternity, what have they done for interior Sindh that you expect them to do for Karachi?
Life will be more miserable if they get votes from karachi. They will take you for granted like they do interior Sindh.

If you are giving excuses and justifications for a party that is in governemnt for deliberately not doing work, and eating and gambling karachi funds than Lanat bro.

As far as pti is concerned they have done more than any federal governemnt has done for Karachi ( except Musharraf but back than majority of funds were at the disposal of center).

Murtaza Wahab gets more publicity because PPP has a lot of journalists in its pocket. The amount of negative press PPP gets is negligible infact even if you multiply it by 100 there performance is even worse than that, as far as PTI is concerned, heck they are even blamed for things they dont do.

 

[Asimzranger]

One word lanat on ppp

 

[PurpleButcher]

Is PPP leadership corrupt? Or is any partys' leadership corrupt?

Thats the only criteria. I give a damn about ethnicities

 

[Syed1.]

I'd much rather take a bath in Gujjur Nallah than go out and vote for Zardari, thank you very much.


Also the places where this gunda gardi party PPP does get vote from are they a shining example of development? Wake up and smell the roses, even war torn KPK is now far ahead of Sindh in terms of development. Heck if it wasn't for Karachi's two ports I'm sure KPK overall would have been richer than Sindh.

 

[Dual Wielder]

A very distasteful thread, it's like a rape victim seeking solace from her rapist.. and this is putting it mildly, sharam karo You Bhutto zombies

 

[Zibago]

I have not decided to vote ppp....YET

All I am saying that Karachiites - can't afford hostilities with her for too long if they really want to develop their city.....There should be working relationship.

Establishment so far has not cared for Karachi much...any example?



MQM really makes me angry. I agree with you on that. Had they been in senses - they wouldn't have had face humiliation.

Agree with your later para as well. They have concerns on Buzdar while kissing PPP right and left....So, why should we fight PPP ?



...



I agree with your first para.

Regarding later, I think PTI is still doing some things here and there. IK is coming here as well in coming week. Announced recently to complete Green line as soon as possible

Yes, you are right.....PTI doesn't have Local face in Karachi yet...PPP has sensed that and brought forward Murtaza.

PTI needs to hire Mustafa Kamal here. He is a heavyweight dude. Will IMMENSELY help PTI.

people are dying from hunger where ppp has a super majority

Giving these racist your vote will accomplish nothing

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Born and bred Karachiite here. A Local Urdu Chap from Karachi.

A serious question to you and if we can let's avoid the usual charges of racism which does not take any discussion anywhere. We have our differances so let's live with that.

So the question is this -

• BETWEEN 1947 and 1952 there was a massive wave of migration into Sindh that changed the demography in cities like Karachi and Hydrabad into Urdu speaking majorities.
• 
  
• QUESTION: Would the Urdu community accept another massive wave of migration that might change the demographics in favour of another majority?

Ps. For the sake of argumant let's assume that the 'massive wave' this time is Sindhi speakers. although the principle applies to any ethnic or social group.

@_NOBODY_ I tag you to follow this.