Karachiites! Have you ever tried to look at PPP objectively?

[mikkix]

You make some good points. Sadly because of the clique that holds sway on PDF any views that go against their narrative are decried as 'racists' and or banned so I have to tread with care.

If you read the comments in various threads on PDF you will
Now you know why I became a pariah here. I used to be a TTA but eventually got fed up with open racism. Although here racism only means dare you say anything about holy cows. Rest and particularly one group is fair game - sorry they are 'savages'.

Karachi is mostly migrants but apparently only belongs to one group of migrants.

Why Ayub Khan attacked fatima jinnah, wasn't he a racist? Shareef plead to taliban not to attacked punjab only. Establishment killing bhuttos, did zarbe azab in Balochistan fata and did operation in karachi but allowing shareef family to do politics because he is from punjab.

 

[Imad.Khan]

For karachiites, ppp pmln pti and establishment all are same. So why not join ppp and sindhis for united struggle of Sindh's development and politics. Atleast in this way Sindh will be united and sindhis hue and cry will stop. Secondly pti or pmln being a punjab based party and establishment only divides sindh like divided and rule policy for their own benefit which they learn from British.

I asked to show the performance of PPP in Sindh and your reply is punjabi parties and establishment. Seriously atleast make an effort or is the reason that even after 13yrs of uninterrupted rule over Sindh, PPP has nothing to show for it?

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

I know he is good person - does social work here and there.

But that doesn't mean he can run for Mayorship....It's a different ball game

Don't want to hurt you or others over things like these but there is something you all need to understand.

Urdu guys won't trespass into other's territory and we would like others to respect ours as well

If others will run for here and then where will we run from/for? Peshawar?

Karachi is dear to us and we speak and breath for her. No other ethnicity can replace our love for Karachi.

This is our only home and others better respect it.

I was not referring to you or doubting your love for Karachi

But Urdu guys should be given priority when it comes to Karachi. It will show Karachiites how much PTI cares for us actually.

There is a reason why PPP has brought forward Murtaza Wahab as administrator.

How this racist isnt banned yet?

 

[mikkix]

I asked to show the performance of PPP in Sindh and your reply is punjabi parties and establishment. Seriously atleast make an effort or is the reason that even after 13yrs of uninterrupted rule over Sindh, PPP has nothing to show for it?

I am asking you to show the performance of pti in sindh and pmln in its tenure but you will say they dont have power. So why we vote for powerless parties? For you, We only vote for the centre just for the sake of 2 punjabi based parties to form the government? Military did operation in Karachi which they says were the betterment of karachi so why they are not stopping PPP now if they really cares of Karachi. Infact military supporting PPP and bilawal and they are supporting them which you saw inviting bilawal in private marriage parties. So you want Karachi should go against military backed PPP? but if you insist karachi should go against military backed PPP then another operation will be on the cards in Karachi. Military can go with PPP, Punjab/pmln can go with PPP but Karachi walas can not, huh.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Forget the OP - what you dismiss as whataboutism is gaslighting any effort by an ethnicity to assert its rights.

If the only credentials you have is your ethnicity then in that case gaslighting those efforts are worth it in my eyes. Thats why i am so vocal against the quota system.

 

[Imad.Khan]

I am asking you to show the performance of pti in sindh and pmln in its tenure but you will say they dont have power. So why we vote for powerless parties? For you, We only vote for the centre just for the sake of 2 punjabi based parties to form the government? Military did operation in Karachi which they says were the betterment of karachi so why they are not stopping PPP now if they really cares of Karachi. Infact military supporting PPP and bilawal and they are supporting them which you saw inviting bilawal in private marriage parties. So you want Karachi should go against military backed PPP? but if you insist karachi should go against military backed PPP then another operation will be on the cards in Karachi. Military can go with PPP, Punjab/pmln can go with PPP but Karachi walas can not, huh.

So basically you have nothing to show while ruling over Sindh for 13 years straight? Your only talking point is Punjabi parties or military. Forget Karachi or Hyderabad, PPP hasn't even done anything for Interior Sindh which is worse off than during mohenjodaro period.

You say PMLN is going with PPP, well ofcourse all criminals will have eachother's backs. No sensible person will vote for a party that has done nothing and will do nothing. You talk about unity of Sindh, what about unity of Pakistan. Karachi is a major Industrial city with potential to take the whole country out of the pit of debt but if PPP continues to be in power, in that case i see no hope for a better future for not just Karachi but all of Sindh.

 

[mikkix]

So basically you have nothing to show while ruling over Sindh for 13 years straight? Your only talking point is Punjabi parties or military. Forget Karachi or Hyderabad, PPP hasn't even done anything for Interior Sindh which is worse off than during mohenjodaro period.

You say PMLN is going with PPP, well ofcourse all criminals will have eachother's backs. No sensible person will vote for a party that has done nothing and will do nothing. You talk about unity of Sindh, what about unity of Pakistan. Karachi is a major Industrial city with potential to take the whole country out of the pit of debt but if PPP continues to be in power, in that case i see no hope for a better future for not just Karachi but all of Sindh.

Karachiities voted for Pti so what result they are getting? Why karachiites vote for pti plz tell me any good reason? Pti is worthless shit in Karachi can't do anything so what is the purpose to vote for them except to give them power in centre? I am telling you pti pmln ppp can't do anything in karachi so why not vote for ppp atleast in this case sindhi muhajir animosity will reduce. Don't be a racist and stop hating sindhis. They are better than pindi walas. I am not a ppp voter or a fan but this will be the best decision for any Karachiities. You can choose pti but don't push others to follow.

 

[ziaulislam]

Asalam Alikum,

Born and bred Karachiite here. A Local Urdu Chap from Karachi.

What was going in my head for days and days, I want to write here.


PPP was formed in November 30, 1967, She is the OLDEST political party of Pakistan.

Her Leader, Bhutto, at one point, was hanged. Since then, she has extensive experience in fighting establishment here and there.

It has her OWN pride and light. You can't deny that. Instead you can see it.

Yes, there are EXTREME Corruption, nepotism and nasty moves by her, much at cost of country and Karachi/Hyderabad.

But there can be some reasons behind it. For example:-

PPP can win over SIndh easily without getting votes from Karachi, right? So why they should work in Karachi? On top of that, you have MQM constantly taunting and shouting on Sindh Government - often giving ethnic color to situations. Don't you think they will lose their will if there is any, to work in Khi?

Now, Look at media coverage of PPP....Constant Negative Bombardment on them....well for right reasons often.

PPP observes that nothing this sort of hostility exists in Punjab nor Punjab government ever faces such hostile opposition/media? This make them angry and frustrated and in result, they take their anger out on Khi/Hyderabad.

What makes you think, considering above mentioned facts, that PPP - dominated by Feudal Lords, will ever work for Karachi/Hyderabad?

The funny thing is PML-N is literally same - just bit better in developing things here and there.

Have you ever wondered why there are so many Urdu Walas in PPP? Some prominent names are:-

Taj Haider,
Shehla Raza,
Murtaza Wahab
Sharmila Faruqi

These all above dudes come on TV and are face of PPP on media...Ever thought about this?

Now, there is a news by Samaa TV - That it is BILAWAL's wish to appoint Murtaza Wahab as administrator Karachi. It may not bring much change in Khi but it is definitely one heck of a move by PPP......Murtaza dude can talk really well on media and since he is Urdu Guy, PPP is hoping that Karachi media won't be as hostile to him as to other ethnicity or Sindhi.

Are you not noticing something? The Karachi media hostility has DRASTICALLY dropped towards PPP after confirmed news of Murtaza getting appointed as administrator. I noticed it again and again.

The BIG NAME Kamran Khan - who keeps a close eye on Karachi issues, was very cordial with Young Educated Murtaza Wahab.

Do you know what Nasir Hussain Shah - Sindhi minister of PPP said on Murtaza Wahab being appointed as administrator Karachi??

Karachi ka beta hai - Urdu Speaking hai.

He said this while giving interview to Aaj Tv - Don't have video of that but I listened/watched that news bulletin.

Here is another news: Karachi dude - Taha Saleem, Urdu chap has been made DC of Central Karachi - My hometown comes here. He is quite active on Twitter and my people are happy to see him over there. They can relate and feel ownership. He is already in touch with prominent Khi chaps.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1421410991678623751

https://twitter.com/x/status/1421440011224985603

There are Signs for PTI here when it comes to Karachi/Hyderabad. People of Khi may like Imran Khan and have voted for him but that doesn't mean people here will like other ethnicites dominating Karachi politically. Karachi has seen ethnic violence and still is a sensitive city.

PTI urgently needs Young Smart Urdu Dude to be her face in Karachi/Hyderabad to counter Murtaza Wahab....This is 2021 not 2018 where people will vote whoever PTI brings forward in name of Imran Khan.

PPP's these moves have confused PTI in Karachi. Murtaza Wahab gains more attention of media than Sher Zaman of PTI Karachi. This is bad for PTI

Karachi doesn't have nationalist groups but still we want to vouch for our guy to see if he can PERFORM.

If Young Bilawal wants to have a new start in Karachi then why cannot people of Karachi see him and judge him from new angle?

Hating and criticizing PPP all the time? What did we get out of this? Did establishment help? Did anyone help? Instead we and MQM were just being used against PPP to neutralize her.....That was our total worth for Pakistani state till now. State still deals with PPP and COAS is having telephone call with Bilawal...Woah!

We cannot fight PPP forever...We live in Sindh - cannot fight the party which has remained home party of Sindh for decades.

Too much hostility b/w two - The third guy takes advantage of it and robs both. Happens in Pakistan and world all the time.

I would like to fight for my rights but not at cost of my community is being used and fooled - I WILL HATE that.

Note: I am a two times voter of PTI - waiting for Imran Khan to come into Sindh. I Don't like Feudals and want IK to get complete control over SIndh province......Sindhis vote for PPP because they don't have alternative. Yeah, that's true.

PPP by and large - is a corrupt to core party but if they are giving respect to Karachiites - I say , we should take it....

Putting all eggs in one basket is never a GOOD idea. PPP is a political reality in Sindh and will remain so for foreseeable future. Side with PTI but don't go overboard against PPP.

We need to have a FRESH look at PPP and as far as PTI is concerned, she needs to introduce Urdu face here in Karachi if she wants Khi people/media attention. Introduce Mustafa Kamal - he may do magic for PTI as there is no one as competent as him when it comes to Karachi. He can do the work and also can talk on media well.


@Areesh @mikkix @Syed1. @pakpride00090 @baqai

Pppp cant fom govt with out 15% seats from karachi

 

[Imad.Khan]

Karachiities voted for Pti so what result they are getting? Why karachiites vote for pti plz tell me any good reason? Pti is worthless shit in Karachi can't do anything so what is the purpose to vote for them except to give them power in centre? I am telling you pti pmln ppp can't do anything in karachi so why not vote for ppp atleast in this case sindhi muhajir animosity will reduce. Don't be a racist and stop hating sindhis. They are better than pindi walas. I am not a ppp voter or a fan but this will be the best decision for any Karachiities. You can choose pti but don't push others to follow.

So if I am against PPP that makes me racist to Sindhs? PTI has things to show for when it took power in KPK and then due to that reason this time around KPK gave 2/3rd majority to PTI. Now as a Karachitte i keep asking you for any achievements PPP has to show and you had no answer. If you really cared about reducing Sindhi/Muhajir animosity you would have actually done something on the ground but by bringing in the quota system you guys sealed the relationship permanently.

So you don't want me to push PTI on others but you want to force PPP on others, hypocritical isn't it, but thats expected of people for who Bhutto is still alive and one more thing PPP is not Bhutto party anymore, its now Zardari party.

 

[StormBreaker]

Asalam Alikum,

Born and bred Karachiite here. A Local Urdu Chap from Karachi.

What was going in my head for days and days, I want to write here.


PPP was formed in November 30, 1967, She is the OLDEST political party of Pakistan.

Her Leader, Bhutto, at one point, was hanged. Since then, she has extensive experience in fighting establishment here and there.

It has her OWN pride and light. You can't deny that. Instead you can see it.

Yes, there are EXTREME Corruption, nepotism and nasty moves by her, much at cost of country and Karachi/Hyderabad.

But there can be some reasons behind it. For example:-

PPP can win over SIndh easily without getting votes from Karachi, right? So why they should work in Karachi? On top of that, you have MQM constantly taunting and shouting on Sindh Government - often giving ethnic color to situations. Don't you think they will lose their will if there is any, to work in Khi?

Now, Look at media coverage of PPP....Constant Negative Bombardment on them....well for right reasons often.

PPP observes that nothing this sort of hostility exists in Punjab nor Punjab government ever faces such hostile opposition/media? This make them angry and frustrated and in result, they take their anger out on Khi/Hyderabad.

What makes you think, considering above mentioned facts, that PPP - dominated by Feudal Lords, will ever work for Karachi/Hyderabad?

The funny thing is PML-N is literally same - just bit better in developing things here and there.

Have you ever wondered why there are so many Urdu Walas in PPP? Some prominent names are:-

Taj Haider,
Shehla Raza,
Murtaza Wahab
Sharmila Faruqi

These all above dudes come on TV and are face of PPP on media...Ever thought about this?

Now, there is a news by Samaa TV - That it is BILAWAL's wish to appoint Murtaza Wahab as administrator Karachi. It may not bring much change in Khi but it is definitely one heck of a move by PPP......Murtaza dude can talk really well on media and since he is Urdu Guy, PPP is hoping that Karachi media won't be as hostile to him as to other ethnicity or Sindhi.

Are you not noticing something? The Karachi media hostility has DRASTICALLY dropped towards PPP after confirmed news of Murtaza getting appointed as administrator. I noticed it again and again.

The BIG NAME Kamran Khan - who keeps a close eye on Karachi issues, was very cordial with Young Educated Murtaza Wahab.

Do you know what Nasir Hussain Shah - Sindhi minister of PPP said on Murtaza Wahab being appointed as administrator Karachi??

Karachi ka beta hai - Urdu Speaking hai.

He said this while giving interview to Aaj Tv - Don't have video of that but I listened/watched that news bulletin.

Here is another news: Karachi dude - Taha Saleem, Urdu chap has been made DC of Central Karachi - My hometown comes here. He is quite active on Twitter and my people are happy to see him over there. They can relate and feel ownership. He is already in touch with prominent Khi chaps.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1421410991678623751

https://twitter.com/x/status/1421440011224985603

There are Signs for PTI here when it comes to Karachi/Hyderabad. People of Khi may like Imran Khan and have voted for him but that doesn't mean people here will like other ethnicites dominating Karachi politically. Karachi has seen ethnic violence and still is a sensitive city.

PTI urgently needs Young Smart Urdu Dude to be her face in Karachi/Hyderabad to counter Murtaza Wahab....This is 2021 not 2018 where people will vote whoever PTI brings forward in name of Imran Khan.

PPP's these moves have confused PTI in Karachi. Murtaza Wahab gains more attention of media than Sher Zaman of PTI Karachi. This is bad for PTI

Karachi doesn't have nationalist groups but still we want to vouch for our guy to see if he can PERFORM.

If Young Bilawal wants to have a new start in Karachi then why cannot people of Karachi see him and judge him from new angle?

Hating and criticizing PPP all the time? What did we get out of this? Did establishment help? Did anyone help? Instead we and MQM were just being used against PPP to neutralize her.....That was our total worth for Pakistani state till now. State still deals with PPP and COAS is having telephone call with Bilawal...Woah!

We cannot fight PPP forever...We live in Sindh - cannot fight the party which has remained home party of Sindh for decades.

Too much hostility b/w two - The third guy takes advantage of it and robs both. Happens in Pakistan and world all the time.

I would like to fight for my rights but not at cost of my community is being used and fooled - I WILL HATE that.

Note: I am a two times voter of PTI - waiting for Imran Khan to come into Sindh. I Don't like Feudals and want IK to get complete control over SIndh province......Sindhis vote for PPP because they don't have alternative. Yeah, that's true.

PPP by and large - is a corrupt to core party but if they are giving respect to Karachiites - I say , we should take it....

Putting all eggs in one basket is never a GOOD idea. PPP is a political reality in Sindh and will remain so for foreseeable future. Side with PTI but don't go overboard against PPP.

We need to have a FRESH look at PPP and as far as PTI is concerned, she needs to introduce Urdu face here in Karachi if she wants Khi people/media attention. Introduce Mustafa Kamal - he may do magic for PTI as there is no one as competent as him when it comes to Karachi. He can do the work and also can talk on media well.


@Areesh @mikkix @Syed1. @pakpride00090 @baqai

Are you a hidden jiyala ? Stopped reading midway at “If you taunt PPP, They will lose their will to work for KHI”.

Are you fu**ing out of your mind ? Or are you blind ?

PPP has been lootinf karachi openly, Jahil dehation ko har baray chotay post par bharti kardia hai, Development and education ZERO.

These jahil dehati have ambitions for money only, No law and order.

They purposefully ignite sindhi culture and impose it time by time in KHI just to pull our legs. Most recent example was Ajrak number plate.

My sympathies goes for the poor sindhi awam of Villages who are getting nothing except for tyranny and forceful right eviction.

The point isn’t Urdu speaking or Sindhi, The point is sincerity with the people.

A government that is sincere with its people regardless of background will be accepted and voted by any sane person regardless of ethnic background.

Rishwat khori, Police Gardi, Haramkhor Traffic wardens, Gang dealings, What is this all ? And most importantly, State within a State, Always going against what Federal Gov wants, And instead imposing their own tyrannic laws over Karachi and Sindh. Isn’t this mentality exactly what made us lose Bangladesh ?

And you claim to call such government, An Innocent government ?

Kudos! I would have given you a pink mark as soon as I read your post if I were a mod.

But it seems you are some 17 year old kid

 

[mikkix]

So if I am against PPP that makes me racist to Sindhs? PTI has things to show for when it took power in KPK and then due to that reason this time around KPK gave 2/3rd majority to PTI. Now as a Karachitte i keep asking you for any achievements PPP has to show and you had no answer. If you really cared about reducing Sindhi/Muhajir animosity you would have actually done something on the ground but by bringing in the quota system you guys sealed the relationship permanently.

So you don't want me to push PTI on others but you want to force PPP on others, hypocritical isn't it, but thats expected of people for who Bhutto is still alive and one more thing PPP is not Bhutto party anymore, its now Zardari party.

Give me any good reason why Karachi vote for Pti or any lahore pindi based party? Just to make another lahoriya PM of Pakistan? Ppp doing nothing and I voted and supported pti twice but what pti or pmln did? Both parties extend quota system, hue and cry about no power due to 18th amendment. Dude its a planned destruction set by establishment and bearucracy to destroy karachi to shift businesses and to migrate karachi wala to Islamabad and Lahore. Establishment doing same thing like India is doing in Kashmir. Changing demographics and destroy purposely.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Give me any good reason why Karachi vote for Pti or any lahore pindi based party? Just to make another lahoriya PM of Pakistan? Ppp doing nothing and I voted and supported pti twice but what pti or pmln did? Both parties extend quota system, hue and cry about no power due to 18th amendment. Dude its a planned destruction set by establishment and bearucracy to destroy karachi to shift businesses and to migrate karachi wala to Islamabad and Lahore. Establishment doing same thing like India is doing in Kashmir. Changing demographics and destroy purposely.

Because PTI has improved KPK in just one term, PTI hasn't had a chance to rule Sindh, while PPP has been in power multiple times and hasn't done anything and will do nothing except make more money for Zardaris. So if you want to improve Sindh vote PTI to power, if you want to help Zardari to loot more so he and his family can get richer than vote PPP.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Give me any good reason why Karachi vote for Pti or any lahore pindi based party? Just to make another lahoriya PM of Pakistan? Ppp doing nothing and I voted and supported pti twice but what pti or pmln did? Both parties extend quota system, hue and cry about no power due to 18th amendment. Dude its a planned destruction set by establishment and bearucracy to destroy karachi to shift businesses and to migrate karachi wala to Islamabad and Lahore. Establishment doing same thing like India is doing in Kashmir. Changing demographics and destroy purposely.

If Karachiites join PPP in droves - PPP can be transformed like no other

Are you a hidden jiyala ? Stopped reading midway at “If you taunt PPP, They will lose their will to work for KHI”.

Are you fu**ing out of your mind ? Or are you blind ?

PPP has been lootinf karachi openly, Jahil dehation ko har baray chotay post par bharti kardia hai, Development and education ZERO.

These jahil dehati have ambitions for money only, No law and order.

They purposefully ignite sindhi culture and impose it time by time in KHI just to pull our legs. Most recent example was Ajrak number plate.

My sympathies goes for the poor sindhi awam of Villages who are getting nothing except for tyranny and forceful right eviction.

The point isn’t Urdu speaking or Sindhi, The point is sincerity with the people.

A government that is sincere with its people regardless of background will be accepted and voted by any sane person regardless of ethnic background.

Rishwat khori, Police Gardi, Haramkhor Traffic wardens, Gang dealings, What is this all ? And most importantly, State within a State, Always going against what Federal Gov wants, And instead imposing their own tyrannic laws over Karachi and Sindh. Isn’t this mentality exactly what made us lose Bangladesh ?

And you claim to call such government, An Innocent government ?

Kudos! I would have given you a pink mark as soon as I read your post if I were a mod.

But it seems you are some 17 year old kid

Dude...I do have fair idea on PPP

I was thinking may be Bilawal can be a change of force here

Anyways, People are happy for Murtaza Wahab.

 

[python-000]

If Karachiites join PPP in droves - PPP can be transformed like no other


Dude...I do have fair idea on PPP

I was thinking may be Bilawal can be a change of force here

Anyways, People are happy for Murtaza Wahab.

lie'r not a single person happy in Karachi every citizen of this City want's to kick out this Sh** party (ppp) from this City that's it...

 

[Nasr]

A political party such ppp, whose mindset finds it's origins in a feudal/wadayra culture, cannot and will not ever work for the betterment of the common citizens. To think otherwise, is an inherently flawed belief. For a culture such as the wadayra mindset, has been in existence with Sindhis and Baluchis for centuries. Such a mindset cannot just vanish at the snap of a finger. So long as Sindh and Baluchistan continue to live with such wadayra system, there will not ever be true accountability and fair governance in these two provinces of Pakistan.

Only true Islam can achieve this, and the Muslims will HAVE TO STAND UP against these power-hungry wadayras.