Karachi should be made a separate province

[W.11]

Are yaar tum Bihari khoon ho.....

apna ke boli to maar de golin.........

ghussa na manao man

with all due respect it doesnt make any difference, apne he kos rahe hain hum ko mulk ghaddar ka naam de ker ab aap ke support se bhi yeh hume tag mil chuka he kuch ghairat mand logon se

i have no issues with common indian people, its just politics some i may agree some i may disagree

 

[STEELMAN]

ghussa na manao man

with all due respect it doesnt make any difference, apne he kos rahe hain hum ko mulk ghaddar ka naam de ker ab aap ke support se bhi yeh hume tag mil chuka he kuch ghairat mand logon se

Bhai Imaandari se dukh hota hai, Jab aisa dekhte hain. Hum aapke buzurrg ke decision per nahi question mark karenge unko jo acha laga unhone ne kiya shayad thik bhi tha. But some where in core of my heart I do have some feelings for muhajirs of U.P and Bihar. For the reason that we have very good relation with them. Hamare bagal ka village musalmano ka hai shaadi byah kuch bhi ho badi izzat k saath wo humein bulate hain aur hum bhi.......

 

[Pakistanisage]

BTW, I honestly believe Southern Sindh (Karachi-Hyderabad) as a Federal Territory will not weaken but strengthen Pakistan. For one thing, it will break the stranglehold of MQM Mafia from this area and allow Federal Government to maintain Law and Order situation in Karachi-Hyderabad, just like Islamabad.

Also, as a Federal Territory, Karachi will be open for all ethnicities, just like Islamabad.

This issue should be looked at in a cool and collected manner and not through the FOG of Emotions.

 

[Armstrong]

Because of its Financial importance for Pakistan, Karachi-Hyderabad Metropolitan area should be made Federal Territory like Islamabad. It is a Financial Hub and 65 % of Pakistan's revenue is generated by this area.

MQM should be reformed and PTI should have its headquarters in Karachi. Military wings of Political parties should be declared illegal and the city should be de-weaponized.

I predict, next Election my PTI will win more than half the seats from Karachi and the hold of MQM mafia from Karachi is over.

Bakiii sub tou theeek haiii janab but I've serious reservations about the part in bold ! Huzooor FBR ki site sei isss ka breakup dekhaa deitaa hunn that most of the tax collected is in the form of 'duties & other taxes on imports' - Woh aaap ka paisaa nahin haiii woh hamara paisaa hai jo hum nei aaap ko import karneiii kei waqt diyaa thaaa !

My Parents were Mahajir because they came from Delhi India. I am NOT a Mahajir as I was born and raised in Pakistan.

Purr aap Butt bhi tou nahin hain which means you're going to have play second fiddle to me !

 

[Pakistanisage]

Bakiii sub tou theeek haiii janab but I've serious reservations about the part in bold ! Huzooor FBR ki site sei isss ka breakup dekhaa deitaa hunn that most of the tax collected is in the form of 'duties & other taxes on imports' - Woh aaap ka paisaa nahin haiii woh hamara paisaa hai jo hum nei aaap ko import karneiii kei waqt diyaa thaaa !



Purr aap Butt bhi tou nahin hain which means you're going to have play second fiddle to me !

Mughal Badshaoun sey PUNGA lenay kay Muzhir asraat ho sektain hain aap ki sehat aur khushhali pur. Aap shayad bhool gaye hain kay Lahore Shehr hamara Dar ul Khilafa tha aur baqi sub BUTT, Malik, Chaudhary loog hamarey loyal subjects huwa kertay thay.

Aap pehlay bhi second fiddle play kartey thay or aainda bhi Inshallah Second fiddle hee play kareingay....

Anyway, all jokes aside, I honestly believe that if Karachi/Hyderabad becomes Federal Territory like Washinton DC, it will root out Mafia's like MQM and ANP out of Karachi, which will then open doors for my PTI....

 

[SQ8]

Yaaar rolaiii ga kiyaaa ubbb ?

Khair jokes aside, why do you think there exist, or at least I've felt it to exist, a disparity in the attitudes of the Gujrati, Bihari, Hyderabadi Pakistanis in Karachi & adjoining areas when compared with their kinsmen, in an ethnic sense, settled in the rest of the country, when it comes to identifying themselves as 'Muhajirs' or otherwise ?

In my view, it has to do with politics and power plays. After all, these attitudes were a lot less during the initial formative years since the spirit of a new country was still fresh. The problem began with the attitude of the brown "sahibs"(Of which many of these Mohajirs were part and participle with the Punjabi/Pathan) with the Bengalis as the sidelining of one race but a combined majority got the other's(poitical leaders) worried as to what a majority might do to them if they become the new target. Gohar Ayub's movement of Pathans into Karachi to bolster the political front against Fatima Jinnah also had its consequences as many of these new settlers were the criminal element from FATA and other places brought in to disrupt Fatima Jinnah's mandate who had a lot more appeal within the Punjabis and Migrants than the other races. Bhutto did the same with Sindhi nationalism in 73.. whole of the Karachi Urdu speaking class swarmed the Quaid Mausoleum against it and that created those tensions.

Long story short, the issue is with political power.. Sindhis in Karachi want their power bloc, the Pathans do.. the Urdu-Speakers do .. why? because they have the numbers to exert power and make things go their way. Simple.
Why it hasnt happened in places like Pindi or Lahore? Because the migrants are still in a minority as such and have no political ambitions as such.
Is there not such bigotry and racism in those areas? yes there is.. I have been called an Indian by clerks at tellers.. and Army Captains alike.. some in jest.. others true.
I have seen racism in Peshawar as well, extreme sort..
but where I have seen that .. I have seen the opposite as well.. the same goes for Karachi.
The question is not why people call themselves(or are called) Mohajirs.. but why such elements that exploit these lines exist and are allowed to breed.

As a common person the equation is simple . Ask me who I am.. Ill tell you I am a Pakistani with my ancestors from UP.. The Pakistani is where my loyalty is... and UP is where my culture is(or was).

Call me an Indian, a non-son of the soil.. and Ill tell you how your race(whoever it was) was not even considered literate enough by the British and unfit for independence... My loyalty hasn't changed yet..do I believe in what I said? maybe not.. But now I hate you and wish you harm...and have no qualms about making such statements.

The same can be said when Urdu-speakers whisper among themselves "He wont get it... he's a P"..or "Kya pathan aadmi hai"..

Its simple tribal , racial psychology.

 

[W.11]

Bakiii sub tou theeek haiii janab but I've serious reservations about the part in bold ! Huzooor FBR ki site sei isss ka breakup dekhaa deitaa hunn that most of the tax collected is in the form of 'duties & other taxes on imports' - Woh aaap ka paisaa nahin haiii woh hamara paisaa hai jo hum nei aaap ko import karneiii kei waqt diyaa thaaa !

what an unintelligent opinion, paisa to humara he hua na jo aap ne hume dya cahe woh aap ne gift he q na ker dya ho?

as a fellow pakistani you may like to claim that duty, but imagine if punjab was separate and sindh was separate dominion, who who would claim those taxes and duties?

its karachi and sindh dude,

complain why allah grant us the port and not you

simple as that

there is a reason why panama makes so much revenues only based on panama canal, and egypt on suez canal

makes sense?

 

[Spring Onion]

Very sad to see this coming from you, you calling us indians, you should be ashamed of yourself.



lol you even highlight one Pakistani member from Karachi as an indian.

BTW you asked why Muhajirs call themselves Muhajirs so there is a history behind it too if you are interested to search up for it. Muhajirs were discriminated & called derogatory names back in 60's & 70's, some names to mention are hindostani, bhayya log, panah guzeen, mahajireen, etc etc out of all derogatory names Muhajirs made one name for them 'Muhajir' & now you guys got problem living with it, it was you guys who pushed us to call ourselves Muhajirs. Furthermore word Muhajir today has become political identity just like Punajabi, Pushtun, Sindhi, Baloch, Kashmiri, etc etc.

Anyone that wants to break Pakistan who is also hell bent on loving his hindustani identity is a bharati indeed.

look at the list bharatis do not have any shyt right to vote about Pakistani city simple as that.

You were called names in the 60 and 70s because where were you in 47? when everyone migrating to Pakistan and offering sacrifices?

Why only you call yourself mohajirs? why dont many Punjabis migrated to Pakistan?


Karachi is NOT your proprty and hence NO , No MQM wala can demand anything. if you are mohajir then stay as one dont try to grab our house

 

[Armstrong]

what an unintelligent opinion, paisa to humara he hua na jo aap ne hume dya cahe woh aap ne gift he q na ker dya ho?

as a fellow pakistani you may like to claim that duty, but imagine if punjab was separate and sindh was separate dominion, who who would claim those taxes and duties?

its karachi and sindh dude,

complain why allah grant us the port and not you

simple as that

there is a reason why panama makes so much revenues only based on panama canal, and egypt on suez canal

makes sense?

No it doesn't, the day we change our Qiblah from Karachi to Gwadar - You'd be foOked !

Or if the FBR decides to change the Tax Policies - You'd still be foOked !

Or if we decide to trade with India more & reduce our dependence on imports - You'd again be foOked !

So try to put things in perspective - You don't earn 75% or 65% of the Money for Pakistan - You just collect it !

 

[Armstrong]

In my view, it has to do with politics and power plays. After all, these attitudes were a lot less during the initial formative years since the spirit of a new country was still fresh. The problem began with the attitude of the brown "sahibs"(Of which many of these Mohajirs were part and participle with the Punjabi/Pathan) with the Bengalis as the sidelining of one race but a combined majority got the other's(poitical leaders) worried as to what a majority might do to them if they become the new target. Gohar Ayub's movement of Pathans into Karachi to bolster the political front against Fatima Jinnah also had its consequences as many of these new settlers were the criminal element from FATA and other places brought in to disrupt Fatima Jinnah's mandate who had a lot more appeal within the Punjabis and Migrants than the other races. Bhutto did the same with Sindhi nationalism in 73.. whole of the Karachi Urdu speaking class swarmed the Quaid Mausoleum against it and that created those tensions.

Long story short, the issue is with political power.. Sindhis in Karachi want their power bloc, the Pathans do.. the Urdu-Speakers do .. why? because they have the numbers to exert power and make things go their way. Simple.
Why it hasnt happened in places like Pindi or Lahore? Because the migrants are still in a minority as such and have no political ambitions as such.
Is there not such bigotry and racism in those areas? yes there is.. I have been called an Indian by clerks at tellers.. and Army Captains alike.. some in jest.. others true.
I have seen racism in Peshawar as well, extreme sort..
but where I have seen that .. I have seen the opposite as well.. the same goes for Karachi.
The question is not why people call themselves(or are called) Mohajirs.. but why such elements that exploit these lines exist and are allowed to breed.

As a common person the equation is simple . Ask me who I am.. Ill tell you I am a Pakistani with my ancestors from UP.. The Pakistani is where my loyalty is... and UP is where my culture is(or was).

Call me an Indian, a non-son of the soil.. and Ill tell you how your race(whoever it was) was not even considered literate enough by the British and unfit for independence... My loyalty hasn't changed yet..do I believe in what I said? maybe not.. But now I hate you and wish you harm...and have no qualms about making such statements.

The same can be said when Urdu-speakers whisper among themselves "He wont get it... he's a P"..or "Kya pathan aadmi hai"..

Its simple tribal , racial psychology.

Fair points yaar...fair points !

I often wonder where did the Community Leaders & other Muslim Leaguers went to after the Partition ? Why was it that after the Father died we really were left helpless ? How is it that a people who can give so many sacrifices, as are related to us by our forefathers who were there in '47, suddenly become so indecisive to the point of being played as pawns of others ? Where did that zeal & political consciousness go to that we were so easily fooled & used & abused by politicians & the army alike in our formative years with the generation succeeding from the one who fought & died for Pakistan being cruelly handicapped ? Why is it that we were left so utterly clueless after the death of the Father that we hadn't any idea or showed any initiative to do things that needed to be done to build the country up ? Why did we get played by ethno-nationalists, religious clerics, the bureaucracy & the army alike ? Why was there no Long March, no Dharnas, no nothing like there were in the years leading up to Pakistan & even now you see people doing that & sometimes on their own initiative ?

I've always been troubled by these questions that we ended up institutionalizing bigotry in the name of Islam, let provincialism & our ethno-linguistic differences rip apart the cohesion that had built under Muslim Nationalism & went from being a politically awakened people who fought for what they believed in to a Nation that is characterized by gross indifference, personal corruption & bigotry ? Why did we go so terribly wrong ? Why ? Where did those who had stood shoulder to shoulder with the Father & those who had spread his message at the grass root level suddenly vanished from the scene ?

I'd often ask such question to my Grandpa (who was 33 at the time of the Partition & an Ex-Congress grass root level political worker who became a die-hard fan of the Father after the period known as the Congress Ministries) & he'd often opine that the reason all of that happened was because that the Father was truly correct when he said, or is quoted to have said, as an allusion to the Muslim League leadership, that 'mein jubb apni jaiiib mein haaath daltaa hunnn tou mujhe khoteiii sikeii milteii haiin' ! And that the Muslim League was truly a party of feudals & landlords & it was only Muhammad Ali Jinnah & him alone who pulled off Pakistan otherwise between the Congressi Molvis, the Muslim League Nawabs & other disjointed Muslim parties - We were seriously screwed ! And so after Pakistan was created they just sidelined the Quaid & suppressed the few honest Muslim Leaguers & our grass root level political workers with such skill that one by one all the dreams that we had seen, that Iqbal had seen & that Jinnah Sahib had realized, appeared to be heading towards oblivion that they'd never come to pass.

And thats something that pained my Grandpa terribly that we lost so many, so much for those dreams - Everyone of us knew why we fought for Pakistan & what it stood for but they never came to pass ! And he used to lament that the Pakistan Movement became lost on our succeeding generations till a point came that now we're question whether there was a need for Pakistan to begin with ?

 

[W.11]

No it doesn't, the day we change our Qiblah from Karachi to Gwadar - You'd be foOked !

Or if the FBR decides to change the Tax Policies - You'd still be foOked !

Or if we decide to trade with India more & reduce our dependence on imports - You'd again be foOked !

So try to put things in perspective - You don't earn 75% or 65% of the Money for Pakistan - You just collect it !

lol your frustration is quite visible here, i have already proved my point, its nothing left to be said, sindh and karachi has the right to that duty it get by exporting and importing, and not only punjab which exports and imports, entire country does including sindh, balochistan and KPK, the duties also come from nato containers who are transported from karachi and guess who is still getting the share of these revenues one way or another

because in 5 years we saw lahore getting developed, and what did punjab earn by what trade? karachi didnt see even minute development for all the revenues and duties it earned through nato trade

next i would like you to tell me if nato trade earns karachi more duties and revenues or punjab trade

 

[Armstrong]

lol your frustration is quite visible here, i have already proved my point, its nothing left to be said, sindh and karachi has the right to that duty it get by exporting and importing, and not only punjab which exports and imports, entire country does including sindh, balochistan and KPK, the duties also come from nato containers who are transported from karachi and guess who is still getting the share of these revenues one way or another

because in 5 years we saw lahore getting developed, and what did punjab earn by what trade? karachi didnt see even minute development for all the revenues and duties it earned through nato trade

next i would like you to tell me if nato trade earns karachi more duties and revenues or punjab trade

What frustration ? Our GDP is more than half of Pakistan's GDP, we're the most industrialized Province by far & we're the ones who're contributing the most to the National Exchequer by paying you import duties for whatever we've imported - How can I possibly be frustrated with that ?

You want to claim that you collect the most tax - Fine ! I've no qualms with that.

P.S We're the most industrialized province by far & we along with Islamabad are the highest contributor to the Capital Goods imported ? We've also got the highest per capita GDP of Pakistan which means the Consumption portion of the goods imported come to Punjab as well ! And yes - What NATO duties ?

 

[truthseer]

There are serious problems in the idea of making it a province. Karachi's adminstration would have to be revamped, we'd have to have fresh elections, more ministers, more chances of corruption. Not to mention all the contracts for electricity/water supply, etc would have to be revampled. An Adminstrative headache

Plus, I kind of like it this way

 

[Pakistanisage]

There are serious problems in the idea of making it a province. Karachi's adminstration would have to be revamped, we'd have to have fresh elections, more ministers, more chances of corruption. Not to mention all the contracts for electricity/water supply, etc would have to be revampled. An Adminstrative headache

Plus, I kind of like it this way

Anyone who wants Karachi as a separate Province is got to be crazy,

Federal territory YES, Separate Province NO.

AUR baqi yeh sari Shararat @Armstrong ki hai aur iss ko Karachi Jail mey Nazarbund kerna paray ga.....

 

[truthseer]

Anyone who wants Karachi as a separate Province is got to be crazy,

Federal territory YES, Separate Province NO.

AUR baqi yeh sari Shararat @Armstrong ki hai aur iss ko Karachi Jail mey Nazarbund kerna paray ga.....

Agreed. Now Nazimabad should be separated from Karachi