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Karachi-bound ship carrying explosives intercepted

Thanks for the explanation. Every Defence force has an organisation that is tasked with controlling shipments in/out of the country. This organisation will necessarily be in the loop when even international operations viz. UN operations are being organised. While in normal times this organisation's brief includes clearing/forwarding, transportation to/from Port facilities in conjunction with civilian bodies concerned such as Customs and Port Authorities.
Indian Army units seconded to UN forces routinely have been shipping equipment through this system. The organisation concerned will also have the responsibility to monitor/track the movement of the equipment while in transit. After all, no Government would like to see its ordnance go astray or fall in to the wrong hands. Military cargoes have their own complications, hence the Military officers concerned have to very careful and on top of International Regulations to avoid snafus like this.

I hope that Indian officials will act independently to unearth the fact regardless of any diplomatic pressure put on them. All we are interested in is the truth. There are something here which appear to be smoke in my judgement and where there is smoke , there is fire. The reason is simply because I am too familiar with the whole ball game in South Asia.
 
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I hope that Indian officials will act independently to unearth the fact regardless of any diplomatic pressure put on them. All we are interested in is the truth. There are something here which appear to be smoke in my judgement and where there is smoke , there is fire. The reason is simply because I am too familiar with the whole ball game in South Asia.

Agree with you completely. That is the only prudent thing to, eliminate all the possibilities; never mind how far-fetched they may seem to be.
Of course; looking at the 'heat' being generated around us on this forum we are likely to get smoke-screened with a different kind of 'smoke'.
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All of the the possibilities that you have mentioned are well grounded. However , there are more possibilities. Trawlers might have loaded this consignment while that ship was between Chittagong and Kolkata. Trawlers were safely used to smuggle ten trucks of weapon which led to the largest arms haul in Chittagong in 2004. If this is the case , Chittagong port can not know about the consignment.
We need to strongly focus on the end user. If these weapon were really decommissioned in Monrovia by the UNMIL , there must be documentation of the decommission. We need to see those documents.

You do seem to have a deep insight into marine affairs.

However, if the Trawlers loaded this consignment while the ship was between Chittagong and Kolkata then it raises the matter of the ship’s staff being part of the “Terrorists” Chain. This one finds difficult to accept as the ship’s staff seems to be Greek.

In case the goods were documented in the Chittagong documents and later not documented for Kolkata then the only deduction that one can make is that the culprits are controlled by the “Owners or End Users” of the goods and that most probably they would have been landed in Kolkata if the Indian Authorities had not “raided” the ship.
 
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In case the goods were documented in the Chittagong documents and later not documented for Kolkata then the only deduction that one can make is that the culprits are controlled by the “Owners or End Users” of the goods and that most probably they would have been landed in Kolkata if the Indian Authorities had not “raided” the ship.

I was a close monitor of the Purulia arms dropping case and few other similar cases. I know what the fact here is but as I am away from the actual site now, I can not prove it. Indian authority first contacted Pakistani High Com prior to the raid. This raises many questions if Pakistan now has a parallel government who can overwrite executive decisions.
 
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I was a close monitor of the Purulia arms dropping case and few other similar cases. I know what the fact here is but as I am away from the actual site now, I can not prove it. Indian authority first contacted Pakistani High Com prior to the raid. This raises many questions if Pakistan now has a parallel government who can overwrite executive decisions.

Well, you could share your thoughts with us.
 
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I was a close monitor of the Purulia arms dropping case and few other similar cases. I know what the fact here is but as I am away from the actual site now, I can not prove it. Indian authority first contacted Pakistani High Com prior to the raid. This raises many questions if Pakistan now has a parallel government who can overwrite executive decisions.

Hmmmmmmmm!
 
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I can do that in a closed site for professionals. As you know, how tiresome it is to debate professional matters with college students. Let me know if there is any such closed site .

Many thanks for your kind offer, but, I am not a member an any professional closed site.
 
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Kolkata Ship Puts Spotlight on U.N.
by Wall street Journal

Bigger countries, including the U.S. and India ship their own goods back and forth for such peacekeeping operations, but smaller countries, including Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal, rely on the U.N. for transport. The Indian official expressed concern that the U.N. is effectively outsourcing the transport of sensitive weaponry to private contractors. The cargo on board the Aegean Glory included mortars, anti-aircraft guns, bombs and rocket launchers, the Indian official said.

“Imagine in this day and age of heightened security concerns, with piracy on the high areas — what if someone drops the cargo off mid-ocean to some Al Qaeda person?” said the official, adding that it is “appalling” that the U.N. transports military cargo in this way. Read more
 
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Kolkata Ship Puts Spotlight on U.N.
by Wall street Journal

Bigger countries, including the U.S. and India ship their own goods back and forth for such peacekeeping operations, but smaller countries, including Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal, rely on the U.N. for transport. The Indian official expressed concern that the U.N. is effectively outsourcing the transport of sensitive weaponry to private contractors. The cargo on board the Aegean Glory included mortars, anti-aircraft guns, bombs and rocket launchers, the Indian official said.

“Imagine in this day and age of heightened security concerns, with piracy on the high areas — what if someone drops the cargo off mid-ocean to some Al Qaeda person?” said the official, adding that it is “appalling” that the U.N. transports military cargo in this way. Read more

Thanks for the post, but this is not unexpected. But there are some fallacies in some of the statements. Firstly, only merchant ships are suitable to carry shipments of this nature. Naval ships are not constructed to carry cargo (except LPDs, LSTs etc.). Even if a suitable Naval ship is found, it will most probably have to operate point-to-point, i.e. from loading port to discharging port as Naval ships may not get automatic 'right to innocent passage' through territorial waters of other states. This may not be technically or financially viable. As far as UN missions are concerned (AFAIK) the UN is responsible both for arranging and defraying the cost of mobilisation to the station concerned. Merchant ships are used for this purpose after a tendering/chartering process is gone through. i don't know which part of the UN structure controls this. But the Deploying Force would necessarily be involved in both planning and monitoring the movements. So this needs very great co-ordination between the Deploying Force and the Controlling Body (UN). Civilian bodies viz. clearing and forwarding agents would need to be involved to liase with and expedite/facilitate (including palm greasing) with authorities like local Customs, Ports and transporters. This is how it works. Even Indian Army contingents have had to use UN arranged facilities. Now the point is that the UN works like any bureaucracy. They will go and charter the cheapest ship available- which is understandable. But this ship will usually be a 'rust-bucket' owned by a 'dodgy' owner under a 'flag of convenience' with a crew from disparate parts of the world. As in this instance.
Now with the present world-wide security scenario, this indeed is extremely risky. But what is the way out; no armed escort can be put on the ship, because of other legal issues, i.e. the status of the escort for instance.
As of now, the only way seems to be employment of ships belonging to a reputable organisation under a well-known flag etc. But that will cost substantially more and many of the better shipping lines stay (understandably)well clear of such cargoes.
Governments shipping their own military cargoes opt to use their own merchant ships as they have greater control. But this is not always feasible. Take the case of the Ukrainian ship hijacked by Somali pirates and carrying tanks and other vehicles apart from rocket launchers for the Kenyan Army. The ship was released after payment of a big ransom.
Needless to say, the UN needs to get its act together. But the UN itself is staffed by people of many nationalities who may carry various national and personal agendas. Hence the possibility of deliberate wrong-doing.
Of course; as you alluded to, the world of arms trading/movements internationally is another matter altogether and full of "mysterious" stories.
 
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But what is the way out; no armed escort can be put on the ship, because of other legal issues, i.e. the status of the escort for instance.
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The way out is simple and easy. UN needs to charter some of those suitable commercial vessels and paint them with UN colour. These vessels will be operated by UN designated navy personnel and staffs.
It is done with UN aircraft and I do not see any reason why it can not be implemented with sea going vessels. Security comes with a price tag and we have no option but to bear the monetary cost. Giving the scale of peace keeping operations , UN should also have it's own logistics and supply chain management because we can not compromise world security just for the sake of saving money.
 
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The way out is simple and easy. UN needs to charter some of those suitable commercial vessels and paint them with UN colour. These vessels will be operated by UN designated navy personnel and staffs.
It is done with UN aircraft and I do not see any reason why it can not be implemented with sea going vessels. Security comes with a price tag and we have no option but to bear the monetary cost. Giving the scale of peace keeping operations , UN should also have it's own logistics and supply chain management because we can not compromise world security just for the sake of saving money.

On the face of it, an excellent idea. There are some issues though. A merchant ship cannot ordinarily be manned by navy personnel ( though there is a record of some states having done that, albeit surreptitiously). In the case of the UN it will be more difficult to do so. Arming a merchant vessel without a 'declaration of hostilities' is also not an option. A workable option is if the UN charters merchant ships on 'time-charter', in which case it will be permitted to paint it in its own colors. The aircraft that we see in UN colors are either civilian aircraft chartered for a fixed duration or Air Force aircraft which have to be painted in UN colors while under UN control.
In case a (merchant) ship is painted in UN colors will that make her immune/exempt from a piracy attack? e.g. in waters infested by Somali pirates. One reason why the UN (probably) has not used this method is that such transportation exercises are usually one-off and purpose-specific and keeping a chartered ship idling is expensive.
On a very practical level, what the UN can do is charter a ship from a reputed company (and there are many- some owned by Governments and yet legitimately civilian) on a 'voyage charter'- for a single trip. As an example, GOI owns/controls Shipping Corpn. of India. This will be both cost effective and reduce security risks. If an armed security party has to be put on board some international laws will need to be tweaked, but will increase the security factor very substantially.
Just as an aside; dealing with the Somali pirates has thrown huge legal headaches esp. jurisdiction to act after apprehending pirates though law convention like UNCLOS have attempted to deal with these.
 
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On the face of it, an excellent idea. There are some issues though. A merchant ship cannot ordinarily be manned by navy personnel ( though there is a record of some states having done that, albeit surreptitiously). In the case of the UN it will be more difficult to do so. Arming a merchant vessel without a 'declaration of hostilities' is also not an option. A workable option is if the UN charters merchant ships on 'time-charter', in which case it will be permitted to paint it in its own colors. The aircraft that we see in UN colors are either civilian aircraft chartered for a fixed duration or Air Force aircraft which have to be painted in UN colors while under UN control.
In case a (merchant) ship is painted in UN colors will that make her immune/exempt from a piracy attack? e.g. in waters infested by Somali pirates. One reason why the UN (probably) has not used this method is that such transportation exercises are usually one-off and purpose-specific and keeping a chartered ship idling is expensive.
On a very practical level, what the UN can do is charter a ship from a reputed company (and there are many- some owned by Governments and yet legitimately civilian) on a 'voyage charter'- for a single trip. As an example, GOI owns/controls Shipping Corpn. of India. This will be both cost effective and reduce security risks. If an armed security party has to be put on board some international laws will need to be tweaked, but will increase the security factor very substantially.
Just as an aside; dealing with the Somali pirates has thrown huge legal headaches esp. jurisdiction to act after apprehending pirates though law convention like UNCLOS have attempted to deal with these.

UN has to find a realistic solution as the status quo is unacceptable. UN is mainly managed by bureaucrats from 'Red tape' inefficient nations which also makes it difficult. Skilled People from developed nations are not usually interested for UN jobs ( unless it is a high profile position) because the money paid by UN is much lower than which can be earned at home.
Somali pirates are funded and run by some adventurous Saudi prince. We need to deal with Saudi Arabia at certain stage as it is the main destabilizing factor in the Middle East and in South Asia from behind the scene. Unless , Saudi Arabia becomes a democratic and civilized republic , we will continue to have these well funded highy ambitious terrorists like the Mumbai attackers. Terror campaigns are not the same as the peasant movements . It requires a lot of money to run ambitious terror campaigns. We need to hit at the centre of gravity as per general military doctrine.
 
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=Old School;967227]UN has to find a realistic solution as the status quo is unacceptable. UN is mainly managed by bureaucrats from 'Red tape' inefficient nations which also makes it difficult. Skilled People from developed nations are not usually interested for UN jobs ( unless it is a high profile position) because the money paid by UN is much lower than which can be earned at home.

Agreed on this point. i personally know of Indian bureaucrats who 'fished' for UN postings to get tax-free 'green-backs' and 'duty-free' imports. So they in turn carried their 'red-taped' ideas with them.
But the UN itself has not fostered any great work culture. And i suspect there is even a 'quota' system to select functionaries. Above that, western countries 'support' the UN as in institution with the 'minimum tolerance' that they can muster; so finally the UN is a largely symbolic body. And because of its multinational composition the UN; 'belongs to all' and is 'answerable to none'. A state close to paradise.

Somali pirates are funded and run by some adventurous Saudi prince. We need to deal with Saudi Arabia at certain stage as it is the main destabilizing factor in the Middle East and in South Asia from behind the scene. Unless , Saudi Arabia becomes a democratic and civilized republic , we will continue to have these well funded highy ambitious terrorists like the Mumbai attackers. Terror campaigns are not the same as the peasant movements . It requires a lot of money to run ambitious terror campaigns. We need to hit at the centre of gravity as per general military doctrine.

This Somali business really intrigues me. i find it hard to believe that a bunch of fumbling fishermen and failed farmers are able to keep a multinational naval force at bay!
Though i know that it is'nt as simplistic as that.
Would appreciate your inputs as i've not done research on the 'behind the scene' matters.
 
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This Somali business really intrigues me. i find it hard to believe that a bunch of fumbling fishermen and failed farmers are able to keep a multinational naval force at bay!
Though i know that it is'nt as simplistic as that.
Would appreciate your inputs as i've not done research on the 'behind the scene' matters.

Algeria, Egypt , Somalia , Strait of Hormuz and Strait of Malacca have some commonalities. These are located at the arteries of global supply chain. These are all infested with Jihadist activities. By controlling these key points one can easily manipulate global prices of various commodities including insurance premiums. Had Panama been a Muslim populated country, it would surely have been among the first to be infested with Jihadi movements. Jihadi movements benefits the suppliers when the suppliers are very dependent on certain commodities. If there is an energy pipeline from central Asia through Afghanistan , Saudi Arabia ( with the gulf states) and Israel will loose their strategic importance significantly. For the same reason there is a conflict in Congo which is going to host the largest rail network in the world from Horn of Africa to Monrovia. This will reduce the importance of the Suez for the American shipping companies. America is in fact a victim. Whenever it is trying to find alternative solutions , it's so called allies are backstabbing.
 
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