Kamlesh Tiwari murder: UP Police says case solved, remarks on Prophet Muhammad behind killing

[Areesh]

It's impossible to reason with you and your like. I would suggest though that both of our countries have their own issues to deal with. Neither of us are perfect. In fact far from it. Better to focus on your own country and let us focus on ours. We shouldn't be concerned about each other's domestic issues.

It is impossible because you want to justify bloodlust of a morally corrupt society/community

There can't be justification for that. You want to put oppressor and oppressed at the same level

The low morality of Indian hindu society is a fact and it doesn't need Tiwari murder to get triggered as you were trying to present

 

[The_Showstopper]

14 % = 180 million. That's not a small number.

That's not a small number but they aren't majority in any state barring Jammu and Kashmir. So they are still a minority forming just 10-15% of most Indian states while Hindus make up 80% of population in most Indian states.

Also, Muslims have been responsible for many terror attacks in India, riots etc.

So were Hindus. Many riots and terror attacks were triggered by Hindus. It is obviously not a one way road and muslims faced the major brunt.

Their numbers may be smaller compared to Hindus but due to their sheer numbers they can cause a lot of damage especially when a party is in power which gives them a free run for votes and they dont have any fear of consequences.

The party in power(which you are referring to) has been giving a free run to Hindus with Police mostly siding with Hindus. Infact it is the Hindus who got benefited in real sense in Congress rule. Most riots happened under Congress rule and muslims were the worst sufferers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_Gujarat_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Bhagalpur_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombay_riots

How the Bihar Police Colluded With Hindu Mobs During the 1989 Bhagalpur Massacre

Source: https://caravanmagazine.in/vantage/bhagalpur-1989-bihar-police-massacre

Role of Police in Communal Riots

Source: https://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/40546/13/16_chapter7.pdf

Role of the Police: To Protect the Victims or Rule With the Mob?

Source: https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php...e-To-Protect-the-Victims-or-Rule-With-the-Mob

I am neither a voter, nor a fan of Modi but he has never been held guilty of any massacre by any body or organisation of any relevance in the world. He was acquitted by our courts for lack of evidence.

How can he be held guilty when the investigations weren't done properly. When someone like Manu Sharma can get away with murder of Jessica Lal who was shot dead in front dozens if not hundreds of bystanders. Do you really expect that a sitting chief minister with control of entire state machinery will get prosecuted?

 

[Hindustani78]

Hunt down the Hindu extremists

Indian Muslims striking back

Maybe Indian Muslims do have balls?


Get ready for the crocodile tears and tantrums of the hindutva fanatics

Hinduvadis are Hardliner Religious Scholars who are aware about the Foundation of Humans in Hindu Civilisation from where the present Era Humans are aware about the religious studies.

First Testament - Vedas, Old Testament - Taurat/Talmud, New Testament - Injeel and Final Testament - Quran.

Hindustani Arya and Hindustani Musalman do hit hard anyone who come near the Shastra and Shariah.

Jaish Al Anbya ( Soldiers of Bhagwan and Rasulun) Indian Armed Forces are having the complete knowledge about Human Kind in Indian Space Command.

 

[Hindustani78]

This reminded me of killing of Arya Samaji Rajgopal in Lahore in preindependent India in the hands of a guy called ilmuddin...Ilmuddin is hailed as a hero in Pakistan even to this day..His funeral prayer was read by Allama Iqbal.

The Punjab's last two Governor Generals, Sir Bertrand Glancy (1941-46) and Sir Evan Jenkins (1946-47)

The Indian National Congress, formed in 1885, had demanded Self - Governance in India and ending British Colonisation of Punjab Subha. In 1916, the Punjab League and the Indian National Congress entered into a pact in which the Punjab League agreed to support the Indian National Congress' efforts for home rule in exchange for the Indian National Congress' support for a Self Rule System.

In September 1939, British General Linlithgow, the then Viceroy of Indian Held Territories announced that India was at war with Germany. Indian Army was dominated by Musalman and Followers of Sarkar e Khalsa in Punjab Sarhad.

After the Lahore Resolution 1940 and with the approach of Cripps Mission India, a discussion amongst Mahatma Shri Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi and Jinnah occurred amid the period of September, 1944. They were realised to a Great Extent by the Endeavors of Chakravarti Rajagopalachari (C. Rajagopalachari; 10 December 1878 – 25 December 1972), the previous Indian National Congress Premier of Madras, to determine the Indian National Congress- Punjab League stop on the issue of the Pakistan.

Once Chakravarti Shri Rajagopalachari took over from British Military Lord Mountbatten as Governor General, Chakravarti Shri Rajagopalachari sent a letter to the Sultan Bahadur Shri Osman Ali Khan Yar Jung to stop the Razakar Movement in the tracks and allow Indian forces stationed in Hyderabad Riyasat to handle law and order. The Indian Union took matters one step further when published a white paper in August 1948 highlighting why the Indian Union would have to take Punitive Steps against Pakistan Sindh Hyderabad State.

The First shipment of weapons landed in India on July 10, 1948 from Istanbul. Over the next two months, Hyderabad Riyasat Regiments received a considerable cache of arms and ammunition, although, without the necessary time to train the Sultan Bahadur Shri Osman Ali Khan Yar Jung’s Forces were at the Frontline with Newly Established Pakistan who were being backed by British, French and Mongols.

And for all those who say,Muslims are being oppressed and suppressed in india,now you might have got an idea how powerful Muslims are in India even to this day...can any hindu even dare to kill a muslim on religious grounds in pakistan?This is the freedom Muslims enjoy in India..they can kill a leader of a hindu organisation in broadday light.

Musalman are not oppressed anywhere in Union of India and butchering of Hindustani Population did took place inside Newly Established Pakistan by the British, French and the Tunani Forces.

Yes Well Some People Actually Take Their Faith Seriously and Don't Take Kindly To It.And Hindus Might Like To Make Fun Of Their Gods But We Muslims Would Not Make Fun Of Other Peoples Gods

Gods means Dev/Devi/Faristun/Angels and Followers of Deen e Arya and Deen e Islam doesnt make fun of Gods means Dev/Devi/Faristun/Angels.

Those who make the fun of Gods means Dev/Devi/Faristun/Angels, have get down so much that they have invented the word Devil/The Evil by keeping the Sanskrit Word of Dev and Devi. Colonisers do hate the Religion of Deen e Arya and even Deen e Islam.

So, if someone ridicules your religion, you are allowed to kill them? Islam doesnt allow to ridicule others religion?

You are ridiculing True Religion. Yes, you are right that Deen e Arya and Deen e Islam do condemn Colonisers and even kill them if there Invade our Lands.

This forum doesnt allow religiouz discussions otherwise I can quote many sources of islam that humiliate idolaters and idolatry

Deen e Islam do condemn Idolaters of the Tunani(Greek) Civilisation specially Baal Shamin who declared themselves as the Lords over the Arab Tribes, Ajam-Hind Tribes.

Aglibol, BaalShamin( Center) and Malakbel 1st century near Palmyra, Syria which is condemned by Isa Ibne Maryam A.S

...do you know ambedkar wrote a book on hindu lord Rama and ridiculed him..Many dalit leaders and atheists in India make fun of hindu gods everyday..we dont kill them...because gagging or threatening someone against expressing their views is against our indian ethos.

You really dont know about Deen e Arya, This is not allowed in Deen e Arya to make fun of Bhagwan Shree Ram , Bhagwan Shree Krishna , Bhagwan Shree Gautam Siddharta and Bhagwan Shree Maha Veera on whom Wahi came from Supreme Creator/OM and this is even the same is Deen e Islam that Rasulun fun is being made.

Why would anyone make fun of Bhagwan/Rasulun ?

Any philosophy or religion that doesnt conform to that ethos will be eliminated from this land over a period of time

First thing If you are having knowledge of Deen e Arya and Deen e Islam then only you can study philosophy but in Hindu Civilisation this is very sad to see that the Deen e Arya Researchers are being called as Philosophers.

 

[Maarkhoor]

This reminded me of killing of Arya Samaji Rajgopal in Lahore in preindependent India in the hands of a guy called ilmuddin...Ilmuddin is hailed as a hero in Pakistan even to this day..His funeral prayer was read by Allama Iqbal.
In Hinduism,we are free to make fun of our gods..we are free to condemn the concept of God...this is a land of charvaka..Kapila...Gowthama Buddha..Vardhamana Mahaveer..who had all denied god and godmen...nobody has the right to kill others just because I don't like some aspects of so called messenger or a god...
This murder is highly condemnable...in this civilised society and in this era of free speech ,such acts should not be tolerated a bit.
And for all those who say,Muslims are being oppressed and suppressed in india,now you might have got an idea how powerful Muslims are in India even to this day...can any hindu even dare to kill a muslim on religious grounds in pakistan?This is the freedom Muslims enjoy in India..they can kill a leader of a hindu organisation in broadday light.

@waz @The Eagle

 

[The Eagle]

This reminded me of killing of Arya Samaji Rajgopal in Lahore in preindependent India in the hands of a guy called ilmuddin...Ilmuddin is hailed as a hero in Pakistan even to this day..His funeral prayer was read by Allama Iqbal.
In Hinduism,we are free to make fun of our gods..we are free to condemn the concept of God...this is a land of charvaka..Kapila...Gowthama Buddha..Vardhamana Mahaveer..who had all denied god and godmen...nobody has the right to kill others just because I don't like some aspects of so called messenger or a god...
This murder is highly condemnable...in this civilised society and in this era of free speech ,such acts should not be tolerated a bit.
And for all those who say,Muslims are being oppressed and suppressed in india,now you might have got an idea how powerful Muslims are in India even to this day...can any hindu even dare to kill a muslim on religious grounds in pakistan?This is the freedom Muslims enjoy in India..they can kill a leader of a hindu organisation in broadday light.

Even though you try to take a jibe at Islam, let me sum up few of things in an attempt to make you understand as how such things happens.

1. Never hurt the religious sentiments.
2. Try not to play God while in Majority.
3. State shall rise above of any extremist ideology.
4. Don't push people too much to the corner that one has to resort to counter attack.
5. Respect others to have respect.
6. Beef lynching is not the so alien thing but happens daily.
7. Torturing minority to chant Hindu slogans isn't much of pleasant thing.
8. If you call it freedom to kill someone like this then, its about time for Indians to decide as exactly what they want?
9. Either you want a freedom as such or you want to resolve the problem?
10. So as per your understanding a Minority killing one of the majority person, is freedom?
11. They way you try to imply the freedom is nothing more than seeking more killings.
12. Hindus aren't lynched in Pakistan though, I don't deny the few extremists but cases are rare to find.
13. Let's just realize that your oppression & injustice actually fuels such hatred among the minority whereby one resort to killing.
14. I am not even mentioning ill treatment of Muslims on daily basis.
15. Everything is not Hinduism so you can't make fun of others or expect others to do so.
16. What kind of moral can be expected where people mocks God & religion?
17. Really surprised by the hatred, love of killings & twisting the facts that too when famous ones have to like your post for the same thing.
18. How about to look at that like RSS has dehumanized Muslims and few can't withstand such torture hence, have to respond in such kind of extreme act.
19. Hindus in Pakistan aren't lynched, forced to chant slogans, killed in broad-daylight for their worship in Mandirs, aren't forbidden to worship at their places by any time nor Hindus in Pakistan are feeling extinction or living in fear 24/7 like Muslims in India.

 

[Gentelman]

Oppressed minority is going around killing Hindu leaders. Imagine if a Hindu did this to a Muslim cleric in Pakistan. Impossible.

Anyway, common Muslims should not suffer because of this. The perpetrators must be punished harshly.

There is a law called blasphemy law here, no muslim cleric can say anything bad about any other religion or else he can be dragged to court using this law where he can be punished to death depending on the severity of his remarks!

 

[Samlee]

So, if someone ridicules your religion, you are allowed to kill them? Islam doesnt allow to ridicule others religion? This forum doesnt allow religiouz discussions otherwise I can quote many sources of islam that humiliate idolaters and idolatry..

Islam Has Never Condemned Or Ridiculed ANy Religion Yes It Has Condemned Idolatry But Even Hindu Books Have Condemned It

"They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time." -- Yajur Veda 40:9.


"The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR IMAGE." -- Yajur Veda 32:3.

 

[Cookie Monster]

B!tch please...

Gauri Lankesh was killed for being anti-Hindu: ‘Confession’ of main accused Naveen Kumar

Source: https://theprint.in/india/governanc...onfession-of-main-accused-naveen-kumar/68052/

Kalburgi ‘was targeted for anti-hindu remark on idols’, suspect tells police

Source: https://freepresskashmir.com/2018/1...i-hindu-remark-on-idols-suspect-tells-police/


You meant to equate

Secular Democratic India == Pseudo Theocratic Pakistan


Like Beef ban


Indeed... Hope the Hindus realize that soon and stop enforcing their religiosity on Indian muslims. You are free to not eat beef, why force it on others.

Damn bro...u schooling them hard with their own reasoning...bravo

 

[waz]

Has the news filtered down to the RSS mobs yet? There's still confusion about the killers and let's not forget that "A joint team of UP and Gujarat Police" two 'police' forces who have taken part in the brutal murders and looting of Muslims along with the mobs, this is documented fact.
In the Gujarat riots the police opened fire on young Muslim men defending their families, killing them. Once the defenders were down they called in the mobs to rape their women, kill their children and loot their homes.
Wait a while let's see what happens.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

As a decent Muslim I can never but sympathise with someone who abused our Rasool.

Just because Hindus abuse ther Gods does not mean they can abuse ours too. Because ours is a religion with rules and responsibilities. Theirs is a criminal mafia. So, no apologies. Buzz off.

Hindus realize that soon and stop enforcing their religiosity on Indian muslims

Hindus won't learn bhaijan.

These lessons will be necessary in the future too. Bloody Islamophobes.

That's not a small number but they aren't majority in any state barring Jammu and Kashmir. So they are still a minority forming just 10-15% of most Indian states while Hindus make up 80% of population in most Indian states.


So were Hindus. Many riots and terror attacks were triggered by Hindus. It is obviously not a one way road and muslims faced the major brunt.


The party in power(which you are referring to) has been giving a free run to Hindus with Police mostly siding with Hindus. Infact it is the Hindus who got benefited in real sense in Congress rule. Most riots happened under Congress rule and muslims were the worst sufferers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_Gujarat_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Bhagalpur_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombay_riots

How the Bihar Police Colluded With Hindu Mobs During the 1989 Bhagalpur Massacre

Source: https://caravanmagazine.in/vantage/bhagalpur-1989-bihar-police-massacre

Role of Police in Communal Riots

Source: https://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/40546/13/16_chapter7.pdf

Role of the Police: To Protect the Victims or Rule With the Mob?

Source: https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php...e-To-Protect-the-Victims-or-Rule-With-the-Mob


How can he be held guilty when the investigations weren't done properly. When someone like Manu Sharma can get away with murder of Jessica Lal who was shot dead in front dozens if not hundreds of bystanders. Do you really expect that a sitting chief minister with control of entire state machinery will get prosecuted?

Hinduoko Kashmir saha nahi gya

 

[Wine&Steak]

I don't interface in your practices (not sure even it's religion), don't interfare in mine. Islam allows you to have discussion in respectable manner, you are not allowed to ridicule.

If you are OK with Muslims killing others for insulting their prophet, then You should also be OK with Hindus to kill others for eating their GoMata cow

You will reap what you sow

 

[Max]

If you are OK with Muslims killing others for insulting their prophet, then You should also be OK with Hindus to kill others for eating their GoMata cow

You will reap what you sow

No i repeat what i said. don't put your tiny brain with very few working brain cells to excessive use.

"I don't interfere in your practices (whether you worship cow or monkey), don't interfere in mine. Islam allows you to have discussion in respectable manner, you are not allowed to ridicule."