Kafir concept

[Basel]

Hi

i ve read somewhere all non muslims are called Kafir s and they should be faught upon by
muslims ...

is this true ? or simply to defame Islam ?

(ps - genuine doubt NOT trolling or anything )

@araz @MastanKhan @Basel

All non muslims are kafirs but it's not allowed to kill or harm them, till they are threat to Muslims even there are rules of fighting war, non combatants should not be harmed, enemy who surrender should not be harmed etc.

whats that belief.. ?
that i believe Islamic concept exist but i ll follow other religion.. is this acceptable as belief ?

Holly books of Jews and Chirstians talked about Prophet Muhammad PBUM and they don't believe in that, and don't accept him as last Prophet and his teachings, that is why they are kafirs.

We already have varying answers. Is there any concrete reference to the action to be taken in the Quran?

To understand Islam one should know teachings of Quran along with Hadith and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad PBUM.

in today s world any x, y or z can do something wrong and blame he is being attacked by Kafir
will the authorities consider investigation ? or People themselves respond ?

Same is more happening with muslims, in extremely large numbers.

 

[sur]

Hi

i ve read somewhere all non muslims are called Kafir s and they should be faught upon by
muslims ...

is this true ? or simply to defame Islam ?

(ps - genuine doubt NOT trolling or anything )

"Kofarr" means "to refuse to obey"/"to deny"
"Kafir" means someone who refuses to obey.

Muslims also do "Kufar" and hence are "Kafir" when they don't obey instructions given in Quran.

Quran says don't cheat, if a muslim cheats s/he is doing "kufar".

when a muslim living abroad, who does not follow laws of that land, s/he is doing "kufar" to the laws of that land and is "kafir" to the laws of that land.

Like someone mentined above, in crusades christians used to call muslims as kafir. So from christians view-point, since we muslims are not following christian-beliefs, we are doing "kufar" to christians laws and we are "kafir" (deniers) of christians beliefs.



No where in islam it says to fight "kafirs".
Only places where there is a mention of fighting "deniers" is when they have caused damage to muslims.

For example the infamous out-of-context quote "kill them whereever you find them" actually has a context. The context is always ignored by those who quote such verses, both so-called muslims & non-muslims ignore the context. Without the context it becomes a totally different story.
Verse just before above mentioned verse is:
2:190 Fight in the way of God those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. God does not like transgressors.


verse just after that is;

2:192 And if they cease, then indeed, God is Forgiving and Merciful.
2:193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah [Persecution] (and fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, ) and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression

 

[The-Hack]

Hi

i ve read somewhere all non muslims are called Kafir s and they should be faught upon by
muslims ...

is this true ? or simply to defame Islam ?

(ps - genuine doubt NOT trolling or anything )

@araz @MastanKhan @Basel

All non-believers are kafirs
Kafir = non-believer
as Kufr means Non-believe
But as according to Islamic law they have equal rights under the Islamic government
They are free to practice their religion
Islamic government is responsible for their safety and all other matters

 

[fitpOsitive]

NO not all non muslims on pagans are Kafir(Infidel) Jews and Christians and are not kafir they are people of Book
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidel
During Crusades Christians used to call Muslims Infidels

No sir, everyone who is not muslim is a Kafir(literary the one who denies).

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Kafir or Infidel concept is not alone limited to Islam, Hindus can be proud that your rightwing RSS which is now turning out as a schism inside Hinduism called Hindutva, has copied many Koranic principles.

Deus Vult
Kills 6 month old*

 

[Jaanbaz]

look,thread is going clean witout trolling,,,so no need to muddy the waters.
Dont mind me saying this but u shud refrain frm posting ur meaning of kafir,,,as the op(n me) wants to know its actual meaning,not what non muslims like u perceive it to be,,so kindly,let muslims here explain it.

You're right my views only represent a tiny fraction of world population and its not the position of mainstream Muslims but that doesn't take my right to have my say on this matter, if you have a problem why don't you take a hike?

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Kafir is not derogatory term. Kafir is someone who know what Islam is but still reject its message while non Muslim is someone who is follower of any other religion irerspective of whether he know the message of Islam or not. All Kafir are non Muslims but not all non Muslims are Kafir.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Hindus are ... ?

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Hindus are ... ?

Hindus are ?
Hindus lol
Mushrik
Only those Hindus are kafirs who actually know what Islam is but still reject this message
while all others who has no knowledge of Islam are Mushrik/idol worshipper/polytheists/non muslims etc

 

[Hamza913]

Hi

i ve read somewhere all non muslims are called Kafir s and they should be faught upon by
muslims ...

is this true ? or simply to defame Islam ?

(ps - genuine doubt NOT trolling or anything )

@araz @MastanKhan @Basel

All non Muslims are Kafirs, and even some people who claim to be Muslim can be considered as Kafirs too. It's all to do with whether or not somebody believes in and practises the main tenets of Islam.

When it comes to fighting non Muslims, it is permissible but not an obligation unless they attack you first. You are also not allowed to fight them if a treaty exists between Muslims and non Muslims or they submit to Islamic authority and pay taxes. Also, you cannot just start wars for no reason, you need a valid excuse.

The Islamic rules of war are also very firm in forbidding certain things, most prominently the intentional killing of women, children, the elderly and pretty much anyone who isn't a military aged male (unless they take up arms themselves). Collateral damage is acceptable, but within limits.

 

[jamal18]

all jews and cristans who not believe in Islam are kafir

Not an expert, but I think you're wrong. Jews and Christians are 'people of the book.' Not Kaffir.

I believe polytheists are 'Kaffir'.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

All non Muslims are Kafirs, and even some people who claim to be Muslim can be considered as Kafirs too. It's all to do with whether or not somebody believes in and practises the main tenets of Islam.

You are wrong . All non Muslims are not Kafirs. This term " Kafir" has been used for people who have been presented with the teachings of Islam and who rejected the teachings and chose to follow another set of beliefs. Kafir is someone who has been presented the actual message of Islam or who know what Islam is but still reject it and prefer to stick with different beliefs. There are many non Muslims who are illiterate even about their own beliefs let alone knowing about Islam so they might be non Muslim but no kafirs

 

[Hamza913]

it is little confusing , muslin have 72 sect ,out of that only one is right path ,follower of one right path ,will go to heaven , rest will go to hell , but out of 72 sect which one is correct no buddy know , so rest 71 are kafir , brodly i guess kafir means non believer

just forget about Hindu or pagan , with in Muslim, Muslim are kafir

The other 71 are deviant, the Hadith doesn't mention whether or not they Kafirs.

It's easy to find out anyway. The true one is the one based upon the Quran and sahih ahadith, and that most Muslims throughout history (especially the initial ones) have followed.

You are wrong . All non Muslims are not Kafirs. This term " Kafir" has been used for people who have been presented with the teachings of Islam and who rejected the teachings and chose to follow another set of beliefs. Kafir is someone who has been presented the message of Islam or who know what Islam is but still reject it and prefer to stick with different beliefs. There are many non Muslims who are illiterate even about their own beliefs let alone nowing Islam so they might be non Muslim but no kafirs

Asalamu Alaikum

I don't know if they are Kafirs or not, all I know is they don't get condemned to hell for eternity.

Not an expert, but I think you're wrong. Jews and Christians are 'people of the book.' Not Kaffir.

I believe polytheists are 'Kaffir'.

No, polytheists are Mushriks which are a subset of Kafirs.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Asalamu Alaikum

I don't know if they are Kafirs or not, all I know is they don't get condemned to hell for eternity.

Wsalam
Bro its matter between them and Allah. I am just worry about myself so i would not pass any judgement on others about how God would treat them

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I am inclined to muse over the Justice Munir Commission Report of 1953. Asked the simple question by the commission as to what exactly is definition of a Muslim, dozen of the most leading mullahs gave exactly dozen differant definitions. The commission made the telling observation that if the definition of any one Mullah was accepted by the state rest of the eleven Mullahs would be declared as heretics. And even more telling that if all the definitions were accepted it would mean all the Mullahs being declared as heretics. There would be no Muslims left.

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