Kabul rocked by powerful twin blasts, at least 50 Afghan forces killed and wounded by Taliban Humvee blast in Shirzad district

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

It is not godless ideology, but rulers tend to go towards it. As they rule vast majority of lands, so they prefer any superseding ideology like religion/culture must be supressed below the Communist Ideology. Like when communist party relise that selling bacon is profitable, but you cannot convince locals to breed them as locals think it is against their ideology, so rulers want communism ideology's supremacy to rule, so nobody can question their order.

Same thing happened in Afghanistan when rulers told tribal lords that women shouldn't wear veils as it hinders their work performance, plus to give tribal lands to central government, and believe in communism. It backfired massively.


Indian muslims are muslims. If Pakistanis muslims are so great, then why they couldn't get rid of corrupt people like Zardari/Nawaz who are as tyrannical as Modi. These (our) leaders plundered Pak resources, involved in killing civilians, had extra marital affairs, kept silence on drone strikes, tried to recognise isreal, misuse Islam and blame Muslims yahoodi, sold Kashmir, drink alcohol (Zardari do at least), so don't consider ourselves practising muslims, else Pak would be heaven, We hoard in Ramzan, produce fake medicines/food, grab lands, plunder, rape, etc etc.

Same like Indian Muslims, we don't question the tyrant. Be that tyrant your local inspector, MNA, MPA, CM, PM, etc etc,,,

Pakistani Muslims are REAL Muslims who do NOT worship hindus/rss and sanghis. We ONLY worship Allah swt, however flawed some of us may be.

 

[Aspen]

2. Muslims and Muslim-majority countries cannot wish away Israel. Can we dump them in the sea or nuke them ? Not practical. So the Israel-Palestine issue must be resolved peacefully, politically. And there are only two solutions : One State Solution where that region's Muslims, Christians and Jews form into a single, democratic country, or the Two State Solution with 1967-borders ( Map. Approved by PLO ).

I agree that Muslim countries cannot wish away Israel. But the threat to wipe Israel off the map is real and not an empty threat. Just because Israel has not been wiped off the map does not mean that the threat is not there. The 2006 Lebanon-Israel war was a kind of preview of what can happen if Hezbollah and other proxies decided to follow through on their threats and it was a big wake up call for Israel to not view Iran's shadow power as an empty threat.

At the end of the day, the Israelis know that if they pissed off Iran enough, Iran not only has the will but also the ability to erase Israel from the history books if it came to it. That threat is enough to keep Israel afraid of antagonizing Iran directly. Erasing Israel is not practical but it is definitely possible. Israel is a cursed country in the sense that despite US bravado, not even the US can save Israel in a real hot war. Israel is simply too easy to destroy once you get to the threshold of an all-out war between Israel and Iran. Iran was willing to take losses in the millions in the Iran-Iraq war. If Israel took losses like that, the entire population of Israel would be dead.

Also, as ridiculous as it seems, the biggest beneficiaries of an Israel-Iran war is actually Palestine, because wiping Israel off the map gives a clean slate to reestablish Palestine. Hence, Israel can not fight Iran in an all out war because Israel as a country will be erased from existence and they will end up ceding everything to the Palestinians. Hence, when the option is between being forced to live with Palestine or going to war and losing everything, the Israelis chose living with Palestine. It is kind of a lose-lose situation for Israel. Either Israel's own existence makes them look like oppressors, or they go to war with Iran and then Israel gets destroyed and Palestinians take everything. So in light of that, Israel is forced to compromise and occasionally pretend to negotiate by letting Palestinians have some land because they know the alternative of being erased from the map by Iran in an all out war is much worse since they know Palestinians have nothing to lose in all out war while Israel has everything to lose.

 

[jamahir]

Afghanistan have been unstable since decades the MOST stable duration was that of the taliban.

That stability came from the Taliban being the Taliban. Would the Western governments have created Al Qaeda and sent it into Afghanistan in the 80s if instead of a socialist government it was the Taliban in power ?

There is currently a socialist group in Afghanistan called the SPA ( Solidarity Party of Afghanistan ). Will the Americans leave Afg with the SPA in power ? Would the Americans even like the SPA in power ?

 

[Goenitz]

Pakistani Muslims are REAL Muslims who do NOT worship hindus/rss and sanghis. We ONLY worship Allah swt, however flawed some of us may be.

Yes, I know their appeasement towards power lands them outside religion, however, our appeasement to power remain same but our leaders are Muslims so we don't go beyond Islam circle.

Ah, I see your point. And Gaddafi too had this criticism about tribalism :

Thanx for posting he relevant part or I seldom go to the links .
The solution is local body rules like UK. Despite it extremely good governance (Council system) people are somewhat 'hate' each other. Like Liverpool hates MANU, Welsh and Scottish hates English, and Irish hates all of them etc. So we cannot get rid of it. So best is to let local forces rules themselves except matter of finance, military, etc. Then they are happy, content and 'corruption-free' and too small to revolt.
Like I think Pak punjab should be split into 5 more provinces, and UP into 10 may be.
In this way the spirit of clan/tribe/sect remains local only and don't govern the centre.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Who is worshiping the Hindutvadis ? Maybe some misguided leaders like the Owaisi brothers are in the wrong by not allying with the Centrists, Left of Center and Leftists, thus cutting votes and indirectly allowing the Hindutvadis to win elections.

A Left-leaning Indian Muslim youth leader, Umar Khalid, had an assassination attempt done against him in 2018 most possibly by the Hindutvadis. I think at present he is in jail, charged by the Central-Home-Ministry-controlled Delhi Police on trumped up charges.

So some Indian Muslim men, and some women, are active.

I myself almost joined one of the public communist groups here. Spoke a few times with its State Secretary for my state.



Who told you that being a Communist means that you have to be atheist ? Atheism is just a belief adopted by certain Communist / Socialist individuals and countries.

Below is the Google search result for "Communism" :

Do you find any mention above of compulsory disbelief in Divinity ? Do you not find the above definition to be a wonderful one that can be adopted by anyone ?

I myself believe in the supremacy of Nature, though I understand in the superiority of Monotheism when compared to Polytheism and idolatry. I especially like the simplicity of the Shahada.

I will again repost what I said in post# 14. Modern Communism is a continuance of historical progressive thought including Islam. I quote from my 2016 thread :

Please read the rest of the OP of that thread and the discussion in the thread. The OP is an article by Nadeem Paracha.



Do you think the Americans will like to leave Afghanistan with socialists / progressives in charge of the country ?

As you deem it fit to comment on matters that are not of your concern, I will do the same. My advice to indian so called "Muslim" men, get a di*k and fight the hindus/sanghis/rss. Do not give a damn, be men and fight like men. Smash them to bits. Crack their skulls open and splatter their brain matter all over the place like the Chinese soldiers did in Galwan Valley in June 2020. Do not be castrated eunuchs all your lives.

 

[Black.Mamba]

So why did Zia ul Haq's Pakistan government interfere in Afghanistan's internal matter in the 1980s, to the extent of collaborating with Western governments in destroying the socialist governance of that country ?

We got inspired from India 1971.

 

[jamahir]

Also, as ridiculous as it seems, the biggest beneficiaries of an Israel-Iran war is actually Palestine, because wiping Israel off the map gives a clean slate to reestablish Palestine.

I checked Google Maps. Iran is some 2300 kms from Israel, so Iran may think that nuking Israel will not immediately have an affect on Iran. But such an attack will affect the Palestinians greatly, immediately.

Thanx for posting he relevant part or I seldom go to the links .

Heh heh.

The solution is local body rules like UK. Despite it extremely good governance (Council system) people are somewhat 'hate' each other. Like Liverpool hates MANU, Welsh and Scottish hates English, and Irish hates all of them etc. So we cannot get rid of it. So best is to let local forces rules themselves except matter of finance, military, etc. Then they are happy, content and 'corruption-free' and too small to revolt.
Like I think Pak punjab should be split into 5 more provinces, and UP into 10 may be.
In this way the spirit of clan/tribe/sect remains local only and don't govern the centre.

Indeed !

And I didn't know that Britain too had local bodies ( councils ) and decentralization except in certain sectors.

A nation of local bodies was how Libya arranged until the 2011 war. Eight hundred local bodies ( called Basic Peoples Congresses - you can read more in this thread at your leisure ). Hugo Chavez of Venezuela adapted the Libyan system for his country.

In India the Aam Aadmi Party and Swaraj Abhiyan group too are preaching for a country of decentralized, council-based administration.

Irish hates all of them

We got inspired from India 1971.

Cheeky !

As you deem it fit to comment on matters that are not of your concern, I will do the same. My advice to indian so called "Muslim" men, get a di*k and fight the hindus/sanghis/rss. Do not give a damn, be men and fight like men. Smash them to bits.

Noted.

 

[Aspen]

I checked Google Maps. Iran is some 2300 kms from Israel, so Iran may think that nuking Israel will not immediately have an affect on Iran. But such an attack will affect the Palestinians greatly, immediately.

Israel can be erased with missiles, nukes will never be used.

 

[TNT]

That stability came from the Taliban being the Taliban. Would the Western governments have created Al Qaeda and sent it into Afghanistan in the 80s if instead of a socialist government it was the Taliban in power ?

There is currently a socialist group in Afghanistan called the SPA ( Solidarity Party of Afghanistan ). Will the Americans leave Afg with the SPA in power ? Would the Americans even like the SPA in power ?

Americans would do what is good for them, even if that involves totally destroying a country. Taliban govt brought stability because it somewhat represents the majority of afghans and was not a puppet regime like the socialist one or the current puppet govt. Doesn't matter who americans leave behind, power will be taken by force in the end by the powerful one.

 

[jamahir]

Israel can be erased with missiles, nukes will never be used.

During the eight year Iran-Iraq war in the 80s there was a phase called War of the Cities in which both countries fired many missiles at each others' cities. Tens of thousands died on both sides. Israel of course is a more smaller country than Iraq and Iran, no strategic depth, and this I believe will lead it to use nukes to attack back Iran. Also, even if precision missiles are used to attack important Israeli military buildings and people, Israel being a conscription country and having the experience of fighting a country-founding war, other citizens will take place of any senior military and government official killed.

This is just my understanding from a non-military background.

Taliban govt brought stability because it somewhat represents the majority of afghans

A majority of tribal and regressive minded men you mean. I don't think the attacked-by-Taliban woman I quoted in post# 5 will be happy with the Taliban running the country.

Also, a majority can be wrong and a minority can be right. Isn't this how all revolutionary movements spread ? Starting in the mind of one or a few and then spreading ?

and was not a puppet regime like the socialist one

No socialist system is a puppet one.

 

[Aspen]

During the eight year Iran-Iraq war in the 80s there was a phase called War of the Cities in which both countries fired many missiles at each others' cities. Tens of thousands died on both sides. Israel of course is a more smaller country than Iraq and Iran, no strategic depth, and this I believe will lead it to use nukes to attack back Iran. Also, even if precision missiles are used to attack important Israeli military buildings and people, Israel being a conscription country and having the experience of fighting a country-founding war, other citizens will take place of any senior military and government official killed.

This is just my understanding from a non-military background.

Simply put, no country besides US will ever use nukes as it will be suicide. Israel and Iran will have to fight conventionally and you know who wins that war.

 

[TNT]

During the eight year Iran-Iraq war in the 80s there was a phase called War of the Cities in which both countries fired many missiles at each others' cities. Tens of thousands died on both sides. Israel of course is a more smaller country than Iraq and Iran, no strategic depth, and this I believe will lead it to use nukes to attack back Iran. Also, even if precision missiles are used to attack important Israeli military buildings and people, Israel being a conscription country and having the experience of fighting a country-founding war, other citizens will take place of any senior military and government official killed.

This is just my understanding from a non-military background.



A majority of tribal and regressive minded men you mean. I don't think the attacked-by-Taliban woman I quoted in post# 5 will be happy with the Taliban running the country.

Also, a majority can be wrong and a minority can be right. Isn't this how all revolutionary movements spread ? Starting in the mind of one or a few and then spreading ?



No socialist system is a puppet one.

Tribal and regressive according to u, but what did others bring? Corruption and anarchy. Does it bother u indian muslims if cowpiss gulping RSS rules u as long as it brings development? One women? Show me a country where all 100℅ population agree or like the govt? Thats a really stupid example u gave. Be assured that majority will be happy and that brings stability and rule of law. Socialist or communist, all failed badly and yes every type of govt can be a puppet. The Soviet installed socialist govt was as big a puppet as the current ghani regime.

 

[jamahir]

Simply put, no country besides US will ever use nukes as it will be suicide. Israel and Iran will have to fight conventionally and you know who wins that war.

Maybe you are correct. Or maybe Israel will go for the Samson Option. And there is the very possible point of the West coming to aid of Israel against Iran.

From the above link :

Kenneth S. Brower has estimated as many as 400 nuclear weapons. These can be launched from land, sea and air. This gives Israel a second strike option even if much of the country is destroyed.

In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Arab forces were overwhelming Israeli forces and Prime Minister Golda Meir authorized a nuclear alert and ordered 13 atomic bombs be readied for use by missiles and aircraft. The Israeli Ambassador warned President Nixon of "very serious conclusions" if the United States did not airlift supplies. Nixon complied. This is seen by some commentators on the subject as the first threat of the use of the Samson Option.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

The deadly attack occurred in Shirzad district, a place where Taliban and Islamic State militants are active. Also the intra-Afghan peace process, to end such deadly attacks, has been pushed to a deadlock, generating a climate of fear and bloodshed

AT News

KABUL: At least 14 soldiers were killed when a suicide bomber drove his explosive-laden Humvee tank to their outpost in the eastern Nangarhar province.

A security official in the province speaking on anonymity, said the incident took place early Saturday in the Shirzad district, where 16 soldiers were stationed.

Provincial governor office had earlier said that eight soldiers were killed.

Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack. Zabihullah Mujahid, a spokesman for the militants said 50 government forces were killed and wounded by the bomber identified as Mullah Yousuf Kandahari.

“Eight members of the Public Civil Order forces were martyred and few more received injuries,” Nangarhar Press Disk said in a statement.

Shirzad is one of the most unsafe of Nangarhar’s 22 districts. It has been the scene of bloody clashes between government forces and Taliban fighters for several times.

Also, Taliban militants and Islamic State (IS), also known as Daesh terrorist group, are very much active in the district.

On the other hand, the Afghan security forces succeeded to discover and seize a Mazda model vehicle full of explosives near Shirazad and Bilal Mosque, which was on the way to Jalabad for terrorist activity, the statement added.

The Afghan security forces would hold efforts to eliminate terrorist’s hideout in the province, the statement added.

This comes as the ongoing peace talks in Doha, has been once again faced deadlock. The Taliban are not ready to join the talks, rather asked President Ashraf Ghani to resign for the sake of peace.

In return, President Ghani said he is obligated to hand over the power to his successor through legal channel and the people’s will.

President Ghani said he is not the obstacle rather he is the champion of peace.

14 Soldiers Killed in Nangarhar Bombing - Afghanistan Times

The deadly attack occurred in Shirzad district, a place where Taliban and Islamic State militants ar

www.afghanistantimes.af

rest in peace to the dead. those opposed to the peace are at it again at the expense of Afghan people. India, Northern Alliance, Daesh are all against the American peace agreement with Taliban and will do everything to destroy it.

 

[fitpOsitive]

The deadly attack occurred in Shirzad district, a place where Taliban and Islamic State militants are active. Also the intra-Afghan peace process, to end such deadly attacks, has been pushed to a deadlock, generating a climate of fear and bloodshed

AT News

KABUL: At least 14 soldiers were killed when a suicide bomber drove his explosive-laden Humvee tank to their outpost in the eastern Nangarhar province.

A security official in the province speaking on anonymity, said the incident took place early Saturday in the Shirzad district, where 16 soldiers were stationed.

Provincial governor office had earlier said that eight soldiers were killed.

Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack. Zabihullah Mujahid, a spokesman for the militants said 50 government forces were killed and wounded by the bomber identified as Mullah Yousuf Kandahari.

“Eight members of the Public Civil Order forces were martyred and few more received injuries,” Nangarhar Press Disk said in a statement.

Shirzad is one of the most unsafe of Nangarhar’s 22 districts. It has been the scene of bloody clashes between government forces and Taliban fighters for several times.

Also, Taliban militants and Islamic State (IS), also known as Daesh terrorist group, are very much active in the district.

On the other hand, the Afghan security forces succeeded to discover and seize a Mazda model vehicle full of explosives near Shirazad and Bilal Mosque, which was on the way to Jalabad for terrorist activity, the statement added.

The Afghan security forces would hold efforts to eliminate terrorist’s hideout in the province, the statement added.

This comes as the ongoing peace talks in Doha, has been once again faced deadlock. The Taliban are not ready to join the talks, rather asked President Ashraf Ghani to resign for the sake of peace.

In return, President Ghani said he is obligated to hand over the power to his successor through legal channel and the people’s will.

President Ghani said he is not the obstacle rather he is the champion of peace.

14 Soldiers Killed in Nangarhar Bombing - Afghanistan Times

The deadly attack occurred in Shirzad district, a place where Taliban and Islamic State militants ar

www.afghanistantimes.af

The main problem is India. And as soon India is disintegrated, we can stop the muslim blood spill in Afghanistan. Dear Pakistan, concentrated on Indian Punjab, and make the dream of peace in the region come true.