Juvenile rapist Mohammad Afroz in Nirbhaya case counselled for radicalisation

[Hindustani78]

any proof from december 2012 that he was known to be muslim??

Does it matters ?

 

[ranjeet]

Here its more about Indian Judiciary system and NDA Government if i remember correctly have made some amendments in the Juveline act.

Nah there were discussion no amendments have been made if am not wrong.

any proof from december 2012 that he was known to be muslim??

here is a link from 2013, can't be too bothered to fully please you kindly help yourself for full satisfaction.
Juvenile in Delhi gang-rape and murder case pleads not guilty to charges | Asia | News | The Independent

 

[MilSpec]

that cockroach will be coming out of Jail soon ? Fcuk that...
Maybe radicalization should be used to arrest him again

bahar nikelte hi thook do

 

[Star Wars]

bahar nikelte hi thook do

I am quiet sure it will happen, or maybe some "accident" in Jail

 

[Hindustani78]

before too, you have blamed wto for farmer suicides in india... can you explain??

In 1998, around the inception of mass farmer suicides, the World Bank imposed regulations that opened up India’s seed market to corporate multinationals like Monsanto.

the Indian government forced Monsanto to cut the royalties they receive from the patented seeds in India- but Monsanto has appealed to the Indian Supreme Court. The economic disparity of Indian farmers only increases as they try to keep up with the lowest import prices.

WTO rules of the Agreementon Agriculture, new economic policy.The negotiation level the talks collapsed because
the group of 20 rejected a system of unfair rules for agriculture trade, which destroys small farmers by forcing open up markets to dump artificially cheap, dishonestly priced agricultural products subsidized with $ 400 billion dollars.

The World Bank’s structural adjustment policies forced India to open up its seed sector to global corporations like Cargill, Monsanto, Syh genta.The global corporations changed the input economy overnight. Farm saved seeds were replaced by corporate seeds, which needed fertilizers and pesticides.

When Monsanto first introduced Bt Cotton in India in 2002, the farmers lost Rs. 1 billion due to crop failure.Instead of 1,500 Kg/acre as promised by the company,the harvest was as low as 200 kg. Instead of increased incomes of Rs. 10,000/acre, farmers ran into losses ofRs. 6,400/acre.

The rules allow subsidies at 10 per cent of the value of agricultural produce. Oddly, the base year for India has been fixed at 1986-88. India, justifiably, is demanding that this date be changed to reflect the reality of food prices today. Double standards in the WTO rules are also exposed when one realises that India’s subsidies of $12 billion to its 500 million farmers are considered “trade distorting”.

WTO decided in 2000 that India would have to remove trade barriers that previously protected its own, local producers. Ever since, Indian farmers have found it harder and harder to survive. Products that they once produced for the home market are now undercut by cheaper imported alternatives.

According to a WTO filing, India’s total farm subsidy stands at $56 billion; this caters to approximately 120 million Indians who are engaged in fulltime or part-time cultivation. In contrast, the United States pays out an average farm subsidy of approximately $20 billion to some two million farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural workers; the European Union pays €58 billion to its agricultural class that numbers slightly over 27 million. These numbers offer some perspective on the state of agricultural subsidies in India and where the focus of agricultural reform initiatives should lie.

A recent study by the Madras Institute of Development Studies on farmer suicides indicates that more than 150,000 farmers committed suicides between 1997 and 2005 and today one farmer is committing suicide every 32 minutes. therefore demand for a complete debt relief not only from institutional debt but also of private money lenders.

 

[livingdead]

@Hindustani78 nobody knows about rape statistics.. and its difficult to compare between countries.. what I am certain is India has more prevalence of rape than UK. Its not specifically rape that the problem, the whole mentality towards women is a problem. Its not perfect in UK, but women feel much safer here.
I think law and order needs to improve a lot. I dont think strict sentence will deter rapists. NDA's idea is cheap(wins people's vote) but useless. I dont blame NDA of course, law and order is state issue.

 

[Hindustani78]

@Hindustani78 nobody knows about rape statistics.. and its difficult to compare between countries.. what I am certain is India has more prevalence of rape than UK. Its not specifically rape that the problem, the whole mentality towards women is a problem. Its not perfect in UK, but women feel much safer here.
I think law and order needs to improve a lot. I dont think strict sentence will deter rapists. NDA's idea is cheap(wins people's vote) but useless. I dont blame NDA of course, law and order is state issue.

In Western countries, the term sexual violence or sexual offences is being used even when rape is being committed or sexual slavery is done but in case of India the official terms are too different.

Law and Order problem is improving in India because of the awareness among the people. Government, police, Media and even people do condemn such acts in India.

 

[jamahir]

Does it matters ?

it doesn't, but ranjeet is twisting my posts and trying to defame me.

Nah there were discussion no amendments have been made if am not wrong.

here is a link from 2013, can't be too bothered to fully please you kindly help yourself for full satisfaction.
Juvenile in Delhi gang-rape and murder case pleads not guilty to charges | Asia | News | The Independent

this article should be one of the very few ones mentioning his religion, and even in this august 2013 article, it doesn't mention his name ( "for legal reasons" ).

his religion didn't and doesn't matter to me... to me, he is just another pyscho, a babu bajrangi type... but it seems you are trying to highlight his religion and use me for that purpose.

In 1998, around the inception of mass farmer suicides

A recent study by the Madras Institute of Development Studies on farmer suicides indicates that more than 150,000 farmers committed suicides between 1997 and 2005

those two dates are contradictory.

A recent study by the Madras Institute of Development Studies on farmer suicides indicates that more than 150,000 farmers committed suicides between 1997 and 2005

from ( Peepli Live is not about farmers - NDTV Movies )...

While most know Punjab as the land of plenty of green and yellow fields, big glasses of lassi and butter, thanks to Bollywood, not many know that in the last 20 years, over 40,000 farmers have committed suicide in the state. This is what Anwar's film that has been shown in festivals across the world deals with.

According to a report, 200,000 farmers have ended their lives since 1997 and it is said the rise in indebtedness is the root cause of farmer suicides.

so...

1. the article is from 2010 and indicates that punjab was known to have farmer suicides since 1990 at least.

2. the official number of farmers who suicided is not 150,000 but 200,000 ( at least ) and it "started" in 1997.

thing is, farmers in india surely would have been suiciding for economic reasons since 1947, just that only a few people ( the socialists, especially naxals mainly ) looked at the economic oppression in the countryside... the rest, especially the congress governments and the sanghis portrayed the indian countryside as a idyllic, jolly place and coined propagandist/false slogans like "jai jawan, jai kisan" and hid the true facts.

the urban people know of farmer suicides mostly in the last five years or so.

WTO decided in 2000 that India would have to remove trade barriers that previously protected its own, local producers. Ever since, Indian farmers have found it harder and harder to survive. Products that they once produced for the home market are now undercut by cheaper imported alternatives.

from what i wrote above, wto doesn't have any direct role in farmer suicides in india.

besides...

from ( Jim Rogers exits India, says one can’t invest just on hope - Livemint )...

You have saved your farmers by making it illegal for foreigners to own more than five hectares—how on earth can an Indian farmer compete with an Australian farmer with 50,000 hectares? In history, India has been one of the great agricultural nations of the world—you have the land, the people, weather—God gave you everything. And then, he also gave you Delhi to mess it all up.

the article is from september 2015 and jim rogers is talking about protectionism in indian agriculture sector... unlike russia, foreign individual farmers ( or companies ) cannot own much land in india via government regulation... good, but then almost all indian-owned farms in india are really non-collectivized ( because non-socialist system ) small holdings which cannot on their own become exporters.

so again, wto doesn't have a role... this mess is totally a indian establishment affair.

and today one farmer is committing suicide every 32 minutes. therefore demand for a complete debt relief not only from institutional debt but also of private money lenders.

debt-relief is a temporary thing... i think karnataka government is thinking on that line, but for permanent solution, a proper socialist welfare system ( across society ) must be established... there will be zero suicides then, of farmers and non-farmers.

as example,below is how any citizen ( and by consequence, farmers ) in libyan jamahiriya lived...

1. any person interested in engaging in farming was given free land by the system, along with seeds, tools needed and housing, for free.

2. electricity and water was free ( that too in a largely desert country ), and libya had history's largest irrigation system, "the great man-made river" project ( gmrr ).

3. housing for any citizen was to be lived rent-free until the resident wished... rent was considered a compromise on the freedom of the citizen and therefore anti-human.

4. medical system was free, and if treatment was available outside, the costs would be borne by the system.

5. education system was free, and if that course was available outside, the costs would be borne by the system.

6. education was of one's choice and could not be forced by parents or circumstance.

7. food was at low cost.

8. any person interested in establishing a business was given a start-up amount of 20,000 dollars, interest-free.

9. all loans were interest-free.

10. no private banks operated in libya.

11. for a person not in employment, he or she was given the average salary ( stipend ) for the person's choice of field of employment... in fact, this was a coming-down in later years from the early days of the al-fatah revolution... in 1979, a unemployed person was given 7000 dollars per month !!

12. libyan jamahiriya being socialist, all wasteful traditions were frowned upon, like 600-guest four-day weddings like what happens in south asia.

13. at weddings, the bride and groom were together given 50,000 dollars to help them set up a new home etc.

14. car purchase was subsidized by the system.

so tell me, why would any farmer suicide in libyan jamahiriya, when his material needs have been taken care of by the system, leaving him spiritually at ease ??

 

[Hindustani78]

those two dates are contradictory.



from ( Peepli Live is not about farmers - NDTV Movies )...


so...

1. the article is from 2010 and indicates tha punjab was known to have farmer suicides since 1990 at least.

2. the official number of farmers who suicided is not 150,000 but 200,000 ( at least ) and it "started" in 1997.

thing is, farmers surely would have been suiciding for economic reasons since 1947, just that only a few people ( the socialists, especially naxals mainly ) looked at the economic oppression in the countryside... the rest, especially the congress governments and the sanghis portrayed the indian countryside as a idyllic, jolly place and coined propagandist/false slogans like "jai jawan, jai kisan" and hid the true facts.

the urban people know of farmer suicides mostly in the last five years or so.



from what i wrote above, wto doesn't have any direct role in farmer suicides in india.

besides...

from ( Jim Rogers exits India, says one can’t invest just on hope - Livemint )...


the article is from september 2015 and jim rogers is talking about protectionism in indian agriculture sector... unlike russia, foreign individual farmers ( or companies ) cannot own much land in india via government regulation... good, but then almost all indian-owned farms in india are really non-collectivized ( because non-socialist system ) small holdings which cannot on their own become exporters.

so again, wto doesn't have a role... this mess is totally a indian establishment affair.



debt-relief is a temporary thing... i think karnataka government is thinking on that line, but for permanent solution, a proper socialist welfare system ( across society ) must be established... there will be zero suicides then, of farmers and non-farmers.

as example,below is how any citizen ( and by consequence, farmers ) in libyan jamahiriya lived...

1. any person interested in engaging in farming was given free land by the system, along with seeds, tools needed and housing, for free.

2. electricity and water was free ( that too in a largely desert country ), and libya had history's largest irrigation system, "the great man-made river" project ( gmrr ).

3. housing for any citizen was to be lived rent-free until the resident wished... rent was considered a compromise on the freedom of the citizen and therefore anti-human.

4. medical system was free, and if treatment was available outside, the costs would be borne by the system.

5. education system was free, and if that course was available outside, the costs would be borne by the system.

6. education was of one's choice and could not be forced by parents or circumstance.

7. food was at low cost.

8. any person interested in establishing a business was given a start-up amount of 20,000 dollars, interest-free.

9. all loans were interest-free.

10. no private banks operated in libya.

11. for a person not in employment, he or she was given the average salary ( stipend ) for the person's choice of field of employment... in fact, this was a coming-down in later years from the early days of the al-fatah revolution... in 1979, a unemployed person was given 7000 dollars per month !!

12. libyan jamahiriya being socialist, all wasteful traditions were frowned upon, like 600-guest four-day weddings like what happens in south asia.

13. at weddings, the bride and groom were together given 50,000 dollars to help them set up a new home etc.

14. car purchase was subsidized by the system.

so tell me, why would any farmer suicide in libyan jamahiriya, when his material needs had been taken care by the system, leaving him spiritually at ease ??

You know that the farmers suicides are linked to WTO subsidies system then micro financing , prices of seeds, droughts and fertilizers. The concept of organic farming was to give healthy food but that has affected millions of farmers as the export prices were reduced and imports were started to make other countries economies stable.

India since starting has work under International laws and have made UN stronger and this is the reason that majority of countries in UN General Assembly supports India's Stand on many important International organisations which works to bring peace and harmony in the world.

 

[ayesha.a]

It is completely unjust that in India, juveniles are not tried as adults for crimes like these. This seventeen and a half year old "juvenile" deserved the noose.

 

[jamahir]

It is completely unjust that in India, juveniles are not tried as adults for crimes like these. This seventeen and a half year old "juvenile" deserved the noose.

i read once of a case ( india ) where two 12-year-old boys burnt alive a 13-year-old girl... they had been "teasing her" ( essentially being misogynistic and criminal with her ) and she had resisted.

 

[livingdead]

It is completely unjust that in India, juveniles are not tried as adults for crimes like these. This seventeen and a half year old "juvenile" deserved the noose.

may be they can reduce juvenile age to 17. They cant do it retrospectively though.
in UK the age is 10 to 17.

 

[Hindustani78]

may be they can reduce juvenile age to 17. They cant do it retrospectively though.
in UK the age is 10 to 17.

the Juvenile Justice (Care and Protection of Children) Bill, 2015, passed by the Lok Sabha, is a forward-looking and comprehensive enactment that provides for dealing with children in conflict with the law and those requiring care and protection. However, its laudable features have been overshadowed by one provision that states that children in the 16-18 age group will henceforth be tried as adults if they are accused of committing ‘heinous offences’. The government believes that the provision will help address public disquiet over the perception that young offenders are getting away with light punishment after committing crimes such as murder and rape.

the government has made some changes before getting the Act passed in the Lok Sabha. It has dropped a patently unconstitutional section (Clause 7 in the Bill) that sought to treat as adults, children allegedly committing an offence after the age of 16 but getting arrested only after they are 21.

 

[Hindustani78]

‘Unsure if justice done in Nirbhaya case’ - The Hindu
Updated: November 3, 2015 01:33 IST

Ahead of the release of the juvenile convict in the Nirbhaya gangrape case next month, Union Minister Maneka Gandhi has expressed helplessness in extending punishment to him. While the law was adhered to, she was not sure whether justice was done in this most gruesome case.

She advocated that a “close watch” be kept on the accused after he is freed on his completing the sentence. She would raise this issue with the authorities.

“Let us not confuse justice with the law. The law said that he could only go to a children’s home... That’s the anomaly we are trying to correct. So he served his sentence and, in accordance with the law, he is coming out. And there is nothing we can do about it until or unless he commits another crime. So that is all we can do.

“I don’t know whether justice has been served, but certainly the law has been adhered to,” the Minister said. “Yes, I am afraid we are,” she said when asked if the government was waiting for him to commit another crime.

“He is a person who should be kept under watch. We can’t just let him go and wait for him to do something else,” she said.

The juvenile found guilty in the 2012 Delhi gangrape will be released on December 15. He has turned 21 and will complete his three-year term at the prohibition centre.

At 17-and-a-half, he was the youngest of six men who raped and brutally tortured the 23-year-old medical student on a moving bus in the capital.

The victim died 13 days later in a hospital in Singapore, where she was taken for treatment by the government.

Four other men found guilty in the case are on death row.

 

[jamahir]

‘Unsure if justice done in Nirbhaya case’ - The Hindu
Updated: November 3, 2015 01:33 IST

Ahead of the release of the juvenile convict in the Nirbhaya gangrape case next month, Union Minister Maneka Gandhi has expressed helplessness in extending punishment to him. While the law was adhered to, she was not sure whether justice was done in this most gruesome case.

She advocated that a “close watch” be kept on the accused after he is freed on his completing the sentence. She would raise this issue with the authorities.

“Let us not confuse justice with the law. The law said that he could only go to a children’s home... That’s the anomaly we are trying to correct. So he served his sentence and, in accordance with the law, he is coming out. And there is nothing we can do about it until or unless he commits another crime. So that is all we can do.

“I don’t know whether justice has been served, but certainly the law has been adhered to,” the Minister said. “Yes, I am afraid we are,” she said when asked if the government was waiting for him to commit another crime.

“He is a person who should be kept under watch. We can’t just let him go and wait for him to do something else,” she said.

The juvenile found guilty in the 2012 Delhi gangrape will be released on December 15. He has turned 21 and will complete his three-year term at the prohibition centre.

At 17-and-a-half, he was the youngest of six men who raped and brutally tortured the 23-year-old medical student on a moving bus in the capital.

The victim died 13 days later in a hospital in Singapore, where she was taken for treatment by the government.

Four other men found guilty in the case are on death row.

maneka gandhi is no one to comment on this case... it is the attitudes promoted by the party she belongs to, that led to amaanat being raped and tortured to final painful death.