Justice Chaudhry Questions Pak Dual Nationals' Loyalty in Qadri Hearing

[Chak Bamu]

look IF you LOVE PAKISTAN you will love regardless of what CJ says or doesn't say!!!

and if you are a DUAL NATIONAL then clearly your love and affection is divided.

so in my personal opinon what CJ said is correct! any pakistani who loves pakistan will still keep loving it and the one who just wants to make excuses in saying the following lines

"mujhay Pakistan naay diya kiya hai"!!!


MAKE THE GREEN PAASPORT STRONG GUYS!!! don't undermine it!

Although I do not agree 100%. But in the storm of anti-SC posts, your and @Emmie posts are welcome.

Having another passport does not necessarily mean divided loyalties, but it is understandable if some of the privileges are questioned. If some people are too concerned, they might as well move back to Pakistan.

In all this anti-SC propaganda one thing is conveniently overlooked; the SC has told ECP and Ministry of Foreign Affairs to ensure overseas Pakistanis (including dual nationals) are able to exercise their right to vote. This has never happened before.

Pro-Musharraf, Pro-ppp, pro-MQM, etc... are just using this case to throw dirt. In this unenviable company one now finds pro-TuQ people as well. If one tracks people who are loudly complaining, one would find records of conspiracy theories, twisted logic, and partisan lopsided posts. All the conspiracy nuts are united in this.

 

[Pakistanisage]

issue here is not what dual nationality holder have done or are doing for pakistan, issue is the Qadri's agenda was clearly unconstitutional. he wanted ECP to be abolished and that in other simple words means he wanted to delay elections and in that process may be get help or provide help to some third party. he clearly wanted to delay elections and that only means destabilizing Pakistan further. Pakistan needs to get rid of this government but only through constitutional means.

Also the main point is when Qadri says he travels around the globe on canadian passport then how he can be considered a affected party in the formation of pakistani EC.

Dr. Qadri is also a Pakistani citizen and that citizenship entitles him to same RIGHTS, PRIVILIGES AND RESPONSIBILITIES as you, SIR and the moronic Chief Justice for that matter.

 

[BATMAN]

Arguments found some where and quoting for the review:

• If any person or institution discriminates between dual citizen and sole citizen, that is illegal and violation of constitution.

Article 25 of Constitution of Pakistan says... "All citizens are equal before law and are entitled to equal protection of law".

"All citizens" include "dual citizens".

• It may surprise some but the Constitution of Pakistan allows dual citizen to become President of Pakistan, who is the head of state and commander-in-chief of armed forces. So the argument of division of loyalty by dual citizenship is very weak to start with.

• In Constitution of Pakistan the role of subjective assessments of citizens, like suspecting and questioning their loyalties, is vested in voters and parliament, not judiciary. For example in Article 6 the right to indict, hear and decide if a citizen is treasonous is vested in parliament, not judiciary.

• A citizen may even be proven disloyal to Pakistan, like convicted of spying for India and awaiting death penalty for that. That however does not take away his right to vote in free & fair election of governments, thus his right to challenge an unconstitutional act which may compromise his right to vote in free & fair elections.

• A dual citizen is only restricted to contest elections of MNA, MPA and Senator, thats it. Other than that he has all rights of sole citizens in constitution, including rights to contest elections of president, local bodies and union councils, conducted by the same Election Commission.

• "Khuloos-e-Niyyat" has no practical weight. You can have mala fide intents but if you are legally right you get your legal right. Some of us may think Asif Zardari a good example of that.

• The burden to prove "Khuloos-e-Niyyat" or lack thereof is not on the accused but the accuser.

• Article 184-3 does not require the petitioner to be affectee or bona fide. It does not even require a petitioner to exist at all. Chief Justice has himself demonstrated that by taking Suo Moto under article 184-3 several times.

• The legal structure of Dr. Qadri's petition was this...

"a citizen of Pakistan is praying to examine constitutionality of the selection process of members of Election Commission, which may jeopardize his rights guaranteed by Constitution of Pakistan"

The Supreme Court spin doctored that into this...

"a foreign citizen is demanding a constitutional institution to be abolished" (Dr. Qadri did not petition in foreign citizen capacity and he did not demand to abolish anything except what is determined unconstitutional)

• A building (say democracy) built on a flawed foundation (say Election Commission) cannot be expected to be functional or durable.

Yes there may be a crisis if Election Commission is examined and found unconstitutional today. But if Election Commission is examined and found unconstitutional near or after election, that may be a disaster. Far better to examine that question mark and correct if needed today than tomorrow.

 

[Argus Panoptes]

So what would be SC's opinion on Altaf hussain?

He is only a UK citizen for now, not a dual national, I think.

 

[Kompromat]

Only if SC has the guts to take on the British fuhrer running a political party over the phone from london.

 

[bc040400065]

Dr. Qadri is also a Pakistani citizen and that citizenship entitles him to same RIGHTS, PRIVILIGES AND RESPONSIBILITIES as you, SIR and the moronic Chief Justice for that matter.

Sir, i have no objections about what you are saying. but the problem here is that According to the LAw of this land, dual nationals cann't contest elections and by that they are not an effected party in the formation of ECP or any electoral process. So qadri should seek a constitutional amendment to allow dual national to contest elections only then he can file a plea against the formation of ECP or any other electoral reform. so all of you people should blame the Law of the land and not the courts, thats my whole point.

 

[ice_man]

Although I do not agree 100%. But in the storm of anti-SC posts, your and @Emmie posts are welcome.

Having another passport does not necessarily mean divided loyalties, but it is understandable if some of the privileges are questioned. If some people are too concerned, they might as well move back to Pakistan.

In all this anti-SC propaganda one thing is conveniently overlooked; the SC has told ECP and Ministry of Foreign Affairs to ensure overseas Pakistanis (including dual nationals) are able to exercise their right to vote. This has never happened before.

Pro-Musharraf, Pro-ppp, pro-MQM, etc... are just using this case to throw dirt. In this unenviable company one now finds pro-TuQ people as well. If one tracks people who are loudly complaining, one would find records of conspiracy theories, twisted logic, and partisan lopsided posts. All the conspiracy nuts are united in this.

the part i highlighted of your's in RED this my friend is exactly what people overlook!