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By now, everyone knows that China is the world’s No. 2 economy and growing. Its GDP is around $7.5 trillion compared to the real No. 1, the U.S., at over $15 trillion. But that is changing. Just as each passing year seems to go faster than the next, China’s position on the world’s stage moves at break-neck speeds.

Just how big is China? It is way bigger than you think
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Within three years, the Organisation of Economic Cooperation and Development believes that China’s economy will surpass that of the United States. That means that by the time President Barack Obama is no longer in the White House, the new president will be the first since World War II to not govern the most powerful economy on Earth. Most estimates had China’s economy toppling that of the United States by 2020.

Last year, China beat Germany and the U.S. to become the world’s biggest tourist source market. More middle-class Chinese are hightailing it out of their country. They are going luxury goods shopping in Europe and shaking hands with Goofy in Disney World. They spent over $102 billion last year, up from $73 billion in 2011, according to the United Nations World Tourism Organization. And they did this at a time when their economic growth is slowing due to a slowdown in Europe and a shift in domestic economic policy.

Surprisingly, or not, China doesn’t need to grow at 10% to be in the big time. A slower 7.5% is just fine.

China has tons of problems. It’s got the worst smog in the world. It’s currently battling another round of bird flu, a new strain that’s already claimed the lives of four people in a week. Over 16,000 diseased pigs were dumped in Shanghai rivers in March, possibly causing the outbreak of bird flu in the first place. In China, the phrase “Don’t drink the water!” needs to be heeded carefully. Decades of waste poured from factories and cities into China’s rivers have turned many of them into open sewers, according to the World Wildlife Fund. About 40% of the water in the country’s river systems is unfit for human consumption. China produces a new coal-fired power station every week, and will be the world’s biggest emitter of carbon-dioxide by 2030. Air, water and rising income inequality are now serious social problems for Beijing.

This is what you get for growing so big, so fast. China’s economy has been on steroids for over 10 years.

According to the latest research from the United Nations, China has further outpaced its competitors in world manufacturing, generating $2.9 trillion in output annually versus $2.43 trillion from the U.S., the world’s second-largest manufacturing economy.

Over the last two years, China’s manufacturing sector has made strong gains, while the U.S. has been on Fed life support
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“In 2011, China’s manufacturing output surged by 23% while manufacturing output in the U.S. only increased by 2.8%,” the American Enterprise Institute‘s Mark Perry said in his Carpe Diem blog on Friday. “That brought China’s manufacturing output last year to more than $2.9 trillion, which was almost half a trillion dollars (and 20%) more manufacturing output than the $2.43 trillion of manufacturing output that was produced in the U.S. last year.”

In 2012, U.S. manufacturing slipped to 1.7% growth, according to the Federal Reserve. Sure, U.S. manufacturing is getting bigger. But China’s manufacturing is getting humongous.

China drives Asia, and Made in China drives the cheap, consumer culture in America. Buy sneakers or a shirt, a piece of furniture or a Barbie Doll, and it probably has Made in China stamped on it. Even as U.S. manufacturing is on the upswing, it is no match for big China.

The U.S. imports from Asia rose 22% in February. Most of it comes from China, of course. In fact, the U.S. imported $32.7 billion worth of goods from China in February, according to the U.S. Census Bureau’s Foreign Trade division, making it once again the leading country in which the U.S. conducts its foreign trade. Canada came in second with $25.7 billion, but that is mostly due to oil. Even as China moves its way up to the No. 3 trading partner with the U.S., trailing NAFTA partners Canada and Mexico, the trade deficit between the U.S. and China keeps getting bigger.

In 2012, the U.S. registered its biggest trade deficit ever with China at $315 billion, up from a record $295 billion in 2011 and another record of $273 billion in 2010. Yes, China keeps breaking records.

As it does so, it needs to modernize its environmental and worker safety standards, presenting a myriad of opportunities for companies who can help them get there. Despite all these challenges on the ground, China manufacturing is booming. It is moving out of its old traditional sectors and into newer, value-added, and high-tech ones. This is no longer a Happy Meal economy. According to Hong Kong-based quality control inspection consultancy, AsiaInspection, manufacturing growth in China’s food industry is up 212%. It’s up 36% in beauty and skin care products and 42% in mechanical goods manufacturing. Those kind of numbers are hard to find in any other country on earth, even in India, which has almost as many people as China.

This January, Walmart made headlines when it committed to invest $50 billion in “Made in America” products over the next 10 years. To put that into perspective, Walmart’s 2012 global sales revenue was $443.9 billion, according to the multinationals 2012 Annual Report. Assuming Walmart invested $5 billion a year in the U.S., that would equate to less than 1% of Walmart’s 2012 sales invested in America manufacturing. .

AsiaInspection figures released on Friday suggested that manufacturing outsourcing from the West continues unabated. There was a 15% increase in factory inspections requested from North American customers alone in the first quarter.

China is expanding while the U.S. — as dynamic as it is — is struggling to survive beyond Fed stimulus programs, as was witnessed by Friday’s payroll report.

According to the U.S. China Business Council’s October 2012 survey of mulitnationals doing business in China, the majority of companies plan to continue expanding operations there, with some now looking beyond the east coast super cities like Shanghai to central and western provinces for new markets.

Remember the old saying “will it play in Peoria”? That is now becoming “will it sell in Shanghai.”

As a testament to China’s bigness, Disney’s Iron Man 3 will first be showing in a China movie theater. Disney’s even invested in making a slightly different version, just for the Chinese market.

This is the new world
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It might not be pretty, with all those dead pigs and dead rivers floating around. China will have to do something about it or risk increasing environmental hazards that eventually lead to health crises in this aging population of 1.3 billion. Time and sheer numbers are on China’s side. It’s not too late for them to clean up what has to be cleaned up, and become even bigger. Indeed, everyone on the planet is now fully expecting it.

Just How Big Is China? Bigger Than You Think - Forbes
 
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I don't know how Forbes made such a basic mistake, our GDP is now $8.3 trillion, not $7.5 trillion.

Surprisingly, or not, China doesn’t need to grow at 10% to be in the big time. A slower 7.5% is just fine.

That's right, 7.5% growth is perfectly fine, considering that our base economy is now so much larger than it was before. Even with 7.5% growth now, we will be adding FAR more to our economy every year than when when we were growing at 12-14% growth from 2004-2007 with a much lower base economy.
 
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THis is what china is all about we dont talk like one of our neighbour we work to show the world what we can do
 
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Is 3 years enough to go from 7,5 trillion to 15 trillion? Is China investing in clean energy for the future?
 
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THis is what china is all about we dont talk like one of our neighbour we work to show the world what we can do

And yet the need to bring us into the picture? :rolleyes:

By the way congrats china , this century belongs to Asia.
 
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And yet the need to bring us into the picture? :rolleyes:

By the way congrats china , this century belongs to Asia.

might be purchasing power? nominal GDP probably needs a decade or so.
 
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By The Time Obama Leaves Office, U.S. No Longer No. 1

By 2016, the United States will no longer be the world’s No. 1 economy. That title will be handed over to none other than the current No. 2: China.

The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development in Paris said in report published this week that China was on course to surpass the U.S. economy in just three short years.

That’s about the time President Barack Obama will end his second term. The next president will potentially be the first one since World War II that didn’t govern the world’s most powerful economy. Most forecasts, however, have China’s economy at No. 1 in 2020.

“From a long-range perspective, China has now overtaken the Euro area and is on course to become the world’s largest economy around 2016, after allowing for price differences,” OECD said in its China report released this week.

China still has a lot of growing to do. By comparison, it’s per capita income is three and a half times less than that of the U.S., and even less than Brazil. But most economists forecast that China’s rapid urbanization — now at 50% and seen rising to 70% within five years — coupled with higher incomes will change the way China operates. As it is, China is moving from an export driven economy to a more Western one that is geared to its local consumers.

Its new leadership has made social programs a focus of its five year plan as well. China, for all its wealth in the Eastern cities, is still a poor country. And an aging one. China will spend billions building out its social safety net over the next few years, improving the livelihood of retiring and elderly Chinese.

The country is also focusing more on high tech, value-added production. Green energy is a strategic focal point of the country’s 12th five year plan and that means investments in new sectors — from electric cars to lithium batteries, to alternative energies designed to eradicate China’s pollution problem. All of this investment is seen as a further catalyst for rapid growth in China. In theory, new social policies should be able to spread the wealth in this nation of 1.3 billion.

There’s no hard landing coming in China, the OECD attests.

The organization predicted China’s 2013 GDP to come in at 8.5% compared to 2012 growth of 7.5%.

“The gradual pick-up in activity provides a strong background for the ambitious reforms China needs to put in place to continue on the road to prosperity,” OECD Secretary- General Angel Gurria was quoted saying in a story by Xinhua news agency.

China vs United States

While the Chinese urban population in cities like Shanghai enjoy a standard of living similar to affluent Westerners, rural China remains poor to low income. There is also a widening income gap in China. Studies of China’s inequality almost universally report that the gap between urban and rural household incomes in China is large, has increased over time, and contributes substantially to overall inequality. According to most estimates, mean per capita income in urban China is more than triple that in rural areas, giving China one of the highest urban-rural income ratios in the world. China’s economy may be bigger than that of the U.S. by 2016, but the political task to balance the haves with the have nots will be tougher there than it is here.

China’s per capita income has ballooned over the last five years. In 2005 it was $4,102. By 2010, it hit $7,519, according to the OECD. Last year, the CIA World Factbook put China’s per capita income at $9,100. U.S. per capita income has also risen, but being a developed economy, and one that has faced one of its worst recession ever in 2008, Americans’ share of economic output in 2005 was $42,414 and rose to $46,588 five years later.

Despite the continued narrative of China as world’s leading economy, its stock market has underperformed the S&P 500. Investors prefer the U.S. Year-to-date, the iShares FTSE China (FXI) exchange traded fund is down 8.67% while State Street‘s SPDR S&P 500 (SPY) is up 9.25%. FTSE China doesn’t look any better stretched out over longer periods either.

FXI vs SPY

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FXI 6.24% 0.11% -12.71%
SPY 6.66% 11.39% 17.80%

By The Time Obama Leaves Office, U.S. No Longer No. 1 - Forbes

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Feel sad for Americans… as we are still looking for ideological purity, bogged down in the WOT and partisan bickering, unfriendly to high-tech immigrants… the Chinese have made a sea change, and progressed steadily.
 
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I still don't see how one can double the GDP in just 3 years. Wouldn't you have to grow like 20-30% a year? lol
 
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I still don't see how one can double the GDP in just 3 years. Wouldn't you have to grow like 20-30% a year? lol

The simple answer is you can't.

The IMF made this prediction based on GDP (PPP), not nominal GDP.

Read this article for clarification:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/BUSINESS/04/26/us.china.economy/index.html

The reason that Americans use PPP for China's economy, is because they believe that we have artificially lowered the value of our currency.

Which means that in dollar terms, our nominal GDP is highly understated. So they use the bigger number (PPP) in order to push their scaremongering.
 
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All the best to China..

Hope China will form great economic and cultural ties with Islamic World based on mutual interests, rather than trying to dominate and intervene in the Islamic World.
 
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