Just Another Indian Girl to Marry Pakistani Cricketer

[El Sidd]

Phelay waqto may darjan darjan bachay aur ghantoo time hota tha logo k pass.

ab wo time pora din hakim ul waqt ki tasbeeh per qurbaan hojata hai

 

[I.R.A]

ab wo time pora din hakim ul waqt ki tasbeeh per qurbaan hojata hai

Awam ko kiss nay kaha hy k her waqt hakim e waqt ko check kartay rahay

 

[El Sidd]

Awam ko kiss nay kaha hy k her waqt hakim e waqt ko check kartay rahay

qanoon bana kar ye bhi haq cheen lo.. kisi ne roka hai?

 

[Samurai_assassin]

I recently came across a happy couple where girl was Pakistani Pashtun while guy was Indian Muslim doctor. I thought Pashtuns are strict about marrying with non Pashtun but it was nice surprise to meet them. Time is changing and we need to broad our thinking as well instead of having obsession with certain colour/caste/ethnicity/country. Two muslim can marry each others and its valid marriage

Agree. Today, marriages are occurring from various backgrounds. During the early 2000's a huge influx of Polish migrants came to the UK. This changed the dynamics in certain towns and cities across the UK. Some Poles even married Pakistanis and Indians.

 

[I.R.A]

qanoon bana kar ye bhi haq cheen lo.. kisi ne roka hai?

Qaum ki taraki pay dehan do ....... hukamran atay jatay rehtay hain, quamay peechay reh jati hain.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Good luck to him and congrats but as a cricketer, he is way over rated and average bowler. Another Muhammad Sami in making. Promised a lot in beginning but gradually failing.

After Asif hitting him for 4 sixes in a psl final 2 years back, his career is going down the road.

 

[El Sidd]

Qaum ki taraki pay dehan do ....... hukamran atay jatay rehtay hain, quamay peechay reh jati hain.

wah wah !!

blame the public. Become one of the elites who blame the public. ab to awaam handsome ho nahi sakti sirf hukumraan hosakta hai.

shadi shuda zinda lashen qaum nahi bana sakti... sakhat single launday chaiye iske liye

 

[waz]

Last year my family attended 3 weddings of which were a mix between Indian and Pakistani. Having lived and worked amoungst the Indian Muslim community I have seen a trend in the last decade. More and more Indian Muslim and Pakistanis are getting married in each others community. Also having worked in education I have met children who have one parent that is Pakistani and the other an Indian Muslim, usually Gujarati. In the 1990s I only knew one person that was a mix of Indo Pak heritage which was frowned upon. In my day to day interaction its becoming more of the norm especially in the region's of Lancashire and Yorkshire where there are sizable Indian Muslim communities living amongst Pakistanis. I don't disagree with any such union each to their own. The wedding hall and my uncles catering business were there to provide a service and to ensure guests were happy with the service.

3 last year? You wrote it is very common, had you said 13 I would think you were onto something but you just confirmed what I wrote i.e. it's not common at all. You may have worked among their community, but my dealings with the Pakistani community up and down the country are extensive and these Pak/Indian unions are rare and the exception. You state you worked in education, may ask what in what capacity? I have never come across the children of such unions.
I have a huge family base in Yorkshire, not so much in Lancashire and this trend is not common at all. in actual fact the two communities live pretty much apart, I wrote earlier of them having separate mosques, community centres etc and this the hard reality. They used to be more intertwined but that trend declined in recent years.

In actual fact there have been serious tensions in past, clashes between Pakistani and Indian Muslims youths in Blackburn, this was reported in the press back in 92;


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/racial-tensions-may-provoke-more-violence-1535236.html

WHITE gangs boastful of their power to fight police or Asians increased tension in Blackburn last night, as mutual hatred between Indians and Pakistanis festered.

White youths had laid plans to get involved in the street skirmishing on Thursday. Swift police anticipation prevented them from opening a second front.

By early yesterday, Lancashire Police had found 50 petrol bombs and made 39 further arrests, many for possession of weapons.

With a restrained show of force, they had sealed off most of the Whalley Range/Brookhouse area of the town, where more than 70 per cent of about 7,000 residents are Asian Muslims. The area prayed together yesterday, but it is unlikely to come together until scores have been settled.

Indians, a three to one majority, have targeted a Pakistani family whom they blame for crime, intimidation and corruption.

Most of the raw nerves that finally snapped on Wednesday, when Khan's Cafe was attacked and burnt by Indians, are highly sensitive to a kidnap 'outrage'.


A young Indian woman, who became involved with the Pakistani criminal clan, is allegedly being held, perhaps against her will, until more ransom money is paid. Her family has already paid pounds 5,000 for her return. The police have not been informed.

The story may be apocryphal, but to young Indians it is a potent allegory. They hate Pakistanis, especially when the undisputed criminality of one Pakistani group during the past three years acts like a wick to latent prejudice.


'Pakistanis are lazy, they are untrustworthy. We know - they work for us,' a young Indian man said, standing with seven friends. Several were graduates.

'The Pakistanis harass our women, they steal or vandalise cars, they get drunk and go with prostitutes - they are the scum of the earth, everyone knows that. The British certainly think it.


'This is not a deprived area. Unemployment has got nothing to do with it. We are hardworking people building good businesses. We want to get this over and done with as soon as possible.'


Older Indians deplore 'bigotry' against Pakistanis. They say there is no evidence to support the kidnap story. Rafique Malik, director of Blackburn's racial equality council, said the violence was not Indian against Pakistani. 'They go to the mosques together, participate together in family and social functions. There is no ethnic animosity - there are criminal people within all communities.'

Young Indians, who say they have been restrained until now by family discipline, have little respect for community leaders.

Nor do young Pakistanis. Most are visibly poorer than Indians, though no less aggressive. 'The Hindus are cheats. We're going to get them,' one said.


Two hundred yards away, in the town centre, National Front slogans were being stuck to lamp-posts and subway walls.

Police and gangs of youths were involved in further running battles on the Brackenhall Estate in Huddersfield on Thursday night. Bottles filled with petrol were thrown at police and one car was set on fire.

West Yorkshire Police said yesterday they believed that the troublemakers had come from outside the estate looking for confrontation. Assistant Chief Constable Bill Hughes said that following talks with community leaders the police were attempting to keep a low profile.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/racial-tensions-may-provoke-more-violence-1535236.html

It was also reported in the Indian press, and it touches upon things I have wrote about, there are serious issues here that may not be as severe as they were years ago but still exist.

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/...burn-over-a-game-of-cricket-766792-2013-01-02


It all began, predictably enough for a sub-continental clash, with a game of cricket. On July 21, when an Indian boy was beaten up at a local match by Pakistani youth, it was followed by several skirmishes in which Indians attacked Pakistanis.

By nightfall, the Muslim-dominated area of Brook house in Blackburn, a Lancashire town 220 miles from London, was out of control. A mob of Indians set fire to Khan's Cafe, owned by Pakistani Gulsher Khan, where they believed several Indians were trapped.

By the next day, about 3,000 Indians and Pakistanis took to the streets, seeking revenge. But the police were ready this time, arresting 39 youths and confiscating 50 petrol bombs. By the end of the riots, Blackburn was strewn with burnt cars and shattered glass, adding to the already bleak landscape of northern England.

The English media have been quick to play up the clashes as an internecine ethnic battle. But given the economic divide between the Indians and Pakistanis in Blackburn - though both are Muslims - the riots could very well be part of a pattern that has exploded in nine riots in northern England since May 12-13.

Though Blackburn has been hit by the nation-wide recession, it has affected Asians particularly badly. Only eight Asians out of every 300 school-leavers land a job.

But in general, the Indians in Brook house are a prosperous trading community. While they accuse Pakistanis of envying their success, the Pakistanis charge the Indians with discrimination. "Our children are refused access to Indian-run schools. They even keep away from our mosques," says Gulsher Khan, whose son was arrested after the violence.

Tension over a love affair had been festering for a few weeks between the communities, most of whom have been here for the past 30 years, and it came to a head with the cricket match. In what the police have described as a "domestic dispute between two rival families", a prominent Indian Muslim family is believed to have tried to stop a relationship between one of its young women and a Pakistani boy.

The boy, the family maintained, was associated with criminals. That is the tack the Indian community leaders have now adopted. Says Adam Patel, chairman of the local Racial Equality Council and uncle of the girl who eloped with the Pakistani: "This was not a problem of nationalities. It was the people of the area versus criminals."

That was also the view 50 Indian and Pakistani leaders adopted at a meeting chaired by the chief of Blackburn Police. They claim there is no animosity between the 17,000 Indians and 7,000 Pakistanis in Blackburn: "The real issue is between the residents of the area who have been intimidated for the past several years by a minority of youths of both Pakistani and Indian origin bent on thuggery and organised criminal activity within the area."

Regardless of the leaders' sentiments, the resentment between the two communities - who comprise 25 per cent of the total population - lingers. Gulsher Khan, whose cafe was frequented by the boy involved with the Indian girl, says: "From the very beginning, the Indians have hated Pakistanis. They tell their youngsters not to go out with the Pakistanis. Now the youngsters have come to hate us."

But Patel, a thriving textile businessman, denies the charge of discrimination: "Some Indians do feel they are superior but this was not an Indian-Pakistani war - there are Pakistanis who pray in Indian mosques." He has been advising moderation for a long time: "I tell them that you are no longer

Indians or Pakistanis - you are Blackburnians and you must respect the laws here." While Patel maintains the trouble is rooted in deprivation, former chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality, Bhikhu Parekh, disputes it. Says he: "This was a conflict between Indian Muslims and Pakistani Muslims, not Indians and Pakistanis."

He believes the problem lies in the cultural differences between Indian and Pakistani Muslims. Be that as it may, nothing can colour the fact that it is the first time that ethnic differences have led to more virulence than racial hostility. It may also not be the last.

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/...burn-over-a-game-of-cricket-766792-2013-01-02


Let's just say that these marriages are common, the Pakistani community is many times bigger than the Indian Muslim community, from the 2011 census figures;

Muslims from the British Indian community make up 13.9% of the community which numbers 1,451,862, that makes their community numbers 201,808 (not rounding up). The Pakistani community numbers 1,174,983. If Pakistani/Indian Muslim unions were as common as you write, where is the Indian Muslim community getting the numbers from to accommodate this? They simply do not have the numbers of boys an girls to marry on a 'common' level with Pakistanis, they would run of young folk.

Also your assertions are not supported by the census figures either which are not a decade old yet and actually keep track of civil marriages between different ethnic groups, the Pakistani community has a very low rate of marriage to outsiders and this trend continues today. In actual fact there are probably more white partners usually married to Pakistani men than there are Indian partners, and I have seen the children of such unions. But again this is not common.
I think what we have here is that you've come to know of such unions due to your personal affairs, which can give the impression that they are more common than they actually are. But they are not represented in official figures, nor is it a trend that the vast majority of Pakistani people have seen as common.
There are still far too many issues between the two communities, which granted have become better but do mean that we turn our noses up at each other when it comes to marriage. The Pakistan v India thing, the rise of the Hindu right has further ramped up things.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

3 last year? You wrote it is very common, had you said 13 I would think you were onto something but you just confirmed what I wrote i.e. it's not common at all. You may have worked among their community, but my dealings with the Pakistani community up and down the country are extensive and these Pak/Indian unions are rare and the exception. You state you worked in education, may ask what in what capacity? I have never come across the children of such unions.
I have a huge family base in Yorkshire, not so much in Lancashire and this trend is not common at all. in actual fact the two communities live pretty much apart, I wrote earlier of them having separate mosques, community centres etc and this the hard reality. They used to be more intertwined but that trend declined in recent years.

In actual fact there have been serious tensions in past, clashes between Pakistani and Indian Muslims youths in Blackburn, this was reported in the press back in 92;


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/racial-tensions-may-provoke-more-violence-1535236.html

WHITE gangs boastful of their power to fight police or Asians increased tension in Blackburn last night, as mutual hatred between Indians and Pakistanis festered.

White youths had laid plans to get involved in the street skirmishing on Thursday. Swift police anticipation prevented them from opening a second front.

By early yesterday, Lancashire Police had found 50 petrol bombs and made 39 further arrests, many for possession of weapons.

With a restrained show of force, they had sealed off most of the Whalley Range/Brookhouse area of the town, where more than 70 per cent of about 7,000 residents are Asian Muslims. The area prayed together yesterday, but it is unlikely to come together until scores have been settled.

Indians, a three to one majority, have targeted a Pakistani family whom they blame for crime, intimidation and corruption.

Most of the raw nerves that finally snapped on Wednesday, when Khan's Cafe was attacked and burnt by Indians, are highly sensitive to a kidnap 'outrage'.


A young Indian woman, who became involved with the Pakistani criminal clan, is allegedly being held, perhaps against her will, until more ransom money is paid. Her family has already paid pounds 5,000 for her return. The police have not been informed.

The story may be apocryphal, but to young Indians it is a potent allegory. They hate Pakistanis, especially when the undisputed criminality of one Pakistani group during the past three years acts like a wick to latent prejudice.


'Pakistanis are lazy, they are untrustworthy. We know - they work for us,' a young Indian man said, standing with seven friends. Several were graduates.

'The Pakistanis harass our women, they steal or vandalise cars, they get drunk and go with prostitutes - they are the scum of the earth, everyone knows that. The British certainly think it.


'This is not a deprived area. Unemployment has got nothing to do with it. We are hardworking people building good businesses. We want to get this over and done with as soon as possible.'


Older Indians deplore 'bigotry' against Pakistanis. They say there is no evidence to support the kidnap story. Rafique Malik, director of Blackburn's racial equality council, said the violence was not Indian against Pakistani. 'They go to the mosques together, participate together in family and social functions. There is no ethnic animosity - there are criminal people within all communities.'

Young Indians, who say they have been restrained until now by family discipline, have little respect for community leaders.

Nor do young Pakistanis. Most are visibly poorer than Indians, though no less aggressive. 'The Hindus are cheats. We're going to get them,' one said.


Two hundred yards away, in the town centre, National Front slogans were being stuck to lamp-posts and subway walls.

Police and gangs of youths were involved in further running battles on the Brackenhall Estate in Huddersfield on Thursday night. Bottles filled with petrol were thrown at police and one car was set on fire.

West Yorkshire Police said yesterday they believed that the troublemakers had come from outside the estate looking for confrontation. Assistant Chief Constable Bill Hughes said that following talks with community leaders the police were attempting to keep a low profile.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/racial-tensions-may-provoke-more-violence-1535236.html

It was also reported in the Indian press, and it touches upon things I have wrote about, there are serious issues here that may not be as severe as they were years ago but still exist.

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/...burn-over-a-game-of-cricket-766792-2013-01-02


It all began, predictably enough for a sub-continental clash, with a game of cricket. On July 21, when an Indian boy was beaten up at a local match by Pakistani youth, it was followed by several skirmishes in which Indians attacked Pakistanis.

By nightfall, the Muslim-dominated area of Brook house in Blackburn, a Lancashire town 220 miles from London, was out of control. A mob of Indians set fire to Khan's Cafe, owned by Pakistani Gulsher Khan, where they believed several Indians were trapped.

By the next day, about 3,000 Indians and Pakistanis took to the streets, seeking revenge. But the police were ready this time, arresting 39 youths and confiscating 50 petrol bombs. By the end of the riots, Blackburn was strewn with burnt cars and shattered glass, adding to the already bleak landscape of northern England.

The English media have been quick to play up the clashes as an internecine ethnic battle. But given the economic divide between the Indians and Pakistanis in Blackburn - though both are Muslims - the riots could very well be part of a pattern that has exploded in nine riots in northern England since May 12-13.

Though Blackburn has been hit by the nation-wide recession, it has affected Asians particularly badly. Only eight Asians out of every 300 school-leavers land a job.

But in general, the Indians in Brook house are a prosperous trading community. While they accuse Pakistanis of envying their success, the Pakistanis charge the Indians with discrimination. "Our children are refused access to Indian-run schools. They even keep away from our mosques," says Gulsher Khan, whose son was arrested after the violence.

Tension over a love affair had been festering for a few weeks between the communities, most of whom have been here for the past 30 years, and it came to a head with the cricket match. In what the police have described as a "domestic dispute between two rival families", a prominent Indian Muslim family is believed to have tried to stop a relationship between one of its young women and a Pakistani boy.

The boy, the family maintained, was associated with criminals. That is the tack the Indian community leaders have now adopted. Says Adam Patel, chairman of the local Racial Equality Council and uncle of the girl who eloped with the Pakistani: "This was not a problem of nationalities. It was the people of the area versus criminals."

That was also the view 50 Indian and Pakistani leaders adopted at a meeting chaired by the chief of Blackburn Police. They claim there is no animosity between the 17,000 Indians and 7,000 Pakistanis in Blackburn: "The real issue is between the residents of the area who have been intimidated for the past several years by a minority of youths of both Pakistani and Indian origin bent on thuggery and organised criminal activity within the area."

Regardless of the leaders' sentiments, the resentment between the two communities - who comprise 25 per cent of the total population - lingers. Gulsher Khan, whose cafe was frequented by the boy involved with the Indian girl, says: "From the very beginning, the Indians have hated Pakistanis. They tell their youngsters not to go out with the Pakistanis. Now the youngsters have come to hate us."

But Patel, a thriving textile businessman, denies the charge of discrimination: "Some Indians do feel they are superior but this was not an Indian-Pakistani war - there are Pakistanis who pray in Indian mosques." He has been advising moderation for a long time: "I tell them that you are no longer

Indians or Pakistanis - you are Blackburnians and you must respect the laws here." While Patel maintains the trouble is rooted in deprivation, former chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality, Bhikhu Parekh, disputes it. Says he: "This was a conflict between Indian Muslims and Pakistani Muslims, not Indians and Pakistanis."

He believes the problem lies in the cultural differences between Indian and Pakistani Muslims. Be that as it may, nothing can colour the fact that it is the first time that ethnic differences have led to more virulence than racial hostility. It may also not be the last.

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/...burn-over-a-game-of-cricket-766792-2013-01-02


Let's just say that these marriages are common, the Pakistani community is many times bigger than the Indian Muslim community, from the 2011 census figures;

Muslims from the British Indian community make up 13.9% of the community which numbers 1,451,862, that makes their community numbers 201,808 (not rounding up). The Pakistani community numbers 1,174,983. If Pakistani/Indian Muslim unions were as common as you write, where is the Indian Muslim community getting the numbers from to accommodate this? They simply do not have the numbers of boys an girls to marry on a 'common' level with Pakistanis, they would run of young folk.

Also your assertions are not supported by the census figures either which are not a decade old yet and actually keep track of civil marriages between different ethnic groups, the Pakistani community has a very low rate of marriage to outsiders and this trend continues today. In actual fact there are probably more white partners usually married to Pakistani men than there are Indian partners, and I have seen the children of such unions. But again this is not common.
I think what we have here is that you've come to know of such unions due to your personal affairs, which can give the impression that they are more common than they actually are. But they are not represented in official figures, nor is it a trend that the vast majority of Pakistani people have seen as common.
There are still far too many issues between the two communities, which granted have become better but do mean that we turn our noses up at each other when it comes to marriage. The Pakistan v India thing, the rise of the Hindu right has further ramped up things.

3 that we were invited to and had attended, now we were not invited to every wedding. I've worked in education for 15 years from pastoral care to learning mentor. I have met children who have one parent that is Pakistani and the other an Indian Muslim. I did state in the early 1990s I only came across one person who had one parent Pakistani and the other an Indian. As you have reported regarding community troubles based in 1992. Fast forward 20 years things have changed.

 

[waz]

3 that we were invited to and had attended, now we were not invited to every wedding. I've worked in education for 15 years from pastoral care to learning mentor. I have met children who have one parent that is Pakistani and the other an Indian Muslim. Sorry cannot disclose which education institute.

Fair enough but I've put up plenty of evidence in contrary, but cool I don't want to divert the topic.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Fair enough but I've put up plenty of evidence in contrary, but cool I don't want to divert the topic.

I am not disputing that there haS never been peace and harmony amongst Indian Muslim and Pakistanis. I remember a time in the late 80s and early 90s gangs of Pak youth and Indian youth involved in mass brawls. Luckily I never got involved rather had friendship circles with both groups. Unfortunately while majority of the Pakistanis I knew became drug dealers and criminals the Indian muslim youth became dentists, optometrists, teachers and so on. Remember this is my own experience of the early 1990s.

 

[waz]

I am not disputing that there have never been harmony amongst Indian Muslim and Pakistanis. I remember a time in the late 80s and early 90s gangs of Pak youth and Indian youth involved in mass brawls. Luckily I never got involved rather had friendship circles with both groups. Unfortunately while majority of the Pakistanis I knew became drug dealers and criminals the Indian muslim youth became dentists, optometrists, teachers and so on. Remember this is my own experience of the early 1990s.

Fair play and what you write did happen, all I'm saying that things haven't greatly improved and in some cases got worse. As for marriages it's a world apart.
I can write one experience I had with them that really upset me post Gujarat riots. I don't know if I should.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Fair play and what you write did happen, all I'm saying that things haven't greatly improved and in some cases got worse. As for marriages it's a world apart.
I can write one experience I had with them that really upset me post Gujarat riots. I don't know if I should.

Share away. I have interaction with them but no family ties. One thing for sure the Gujuratis are exceptionally tight on money and never want to give in return whilst the Pakistanis are very big Open hearted people. The best community I have interacted with who trace their ancestral roots to Gujurat India are the east African Indians who came from Uganda in 1972. My experience and dealings with them have showed me they do not have this hidden hatred of Pakistanis and are easy to get on with.

 

[waz]

Share away. I have interaction with them but no family ties. One thing for sure the Gujuratis are exceptionally tight on money and never want to give in return whilst the Pakistanis are very big Open hearted people.

Well many years back when the Gujarat riots had happened and we knew the full extent of what had happened, the Pakistani community decided to raise money for the thousands in refugee camps. We were with registered charities and decided to raise some money from Indian mosques alongside Pakistani ones, Bengali ones etc. Among the Indian mosques the reception was the least enthusiastic, even though their families had been directly impacted by the riots. In the end enough was enough and their collective committee that had influence/control over many mosques told us that we were not welcome as Pakistanis bring Jihad with them wherever they go. That day literally shattered my illusions of that we were tight, brothers etc. I had a big go at one my friends whose idea it was to go to them.
As the years have gone by I haven't let that incident to influence how I interact with them and they have my respect but it was a hurtful reality to wake up to.

 

[Musafir117]

Well
Don’t know
It’s a clever move by ISI or RAW