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In highly dignified words, which fit his character, Raghuram Rajan has scotched all media hype and speculation and said that he would like to go back to academic work after September 4, when he retires as Governor of the Reserve Bank of India (RBI). For a couple of months the media had made huge news business out of whether the Modi government would continue with him or not. Rajan’s dignity did not calm the media. It made an issue out of his exit too. It first kept advocating he should continue. Then turned it into a prestige issue for itself. It downsized whether Rajan should continue or not into a street affair. It mindlessly advocated against what is essentially the prerogative of the government and invited counter campaign. Finally it reduced the Rajan extension issue into a street brawl between those who wanted him and those who did not, bracketing those who admired him as a person and an economist but not his policies, with those who did not. No one could have embarrassed the gentle Rajan more than his self-appointed advocates. The street brawl for and against Rajan was exported, and it echoed, abroad, particularly in US. The Wall Street Journal directly asked Prime Minister Narendra Modi on the eve of his US visit: “Do you support the reappointment of Mr Rajan?”. Modi silenced the voice of US financial actors by saying, “I don’t think this administrative subject should be an issue of interest to the media”. Now on to the Rajan exit story.

UPA discounted Rajan

P Chidambaram, who was the Finance Minister when Rajan was appointed as Governor, has expressed his acute pain at Rajan not being repeated. The Modi government does not deserve Rajan, he says. Now go back to 2013 and see how this great Rajan admirer treated him then. Under the law, the full term of an RBI Governor is five years. But the UPA appointed Rajan only for three years. That is, it gave him only a 60 per cent rating. All his predecessors post-Independence, barring only two — Dr Manmohan Singh and S Venkitaramanan — were appointed for five years. The age of six of them was 60 or close to it when they were appointed and five of them, were in their mid or late 50s. Yet all of them were appointed for the full five-year-term. But Rajan was the youngest, only 50, when he was appointed. If Chidambaram, who values Rajan so much, had got him appointed him for full five years, Rajan would have been in office till September 2018, almost co-terminus with the Modi government’s five-year-term. Most certainly the Modi government would not have sacked him midway. Did not the UPA government discount Rajan by giving him a truncated term, putting him at the mercy of the successor government?

Rajan and Reddy



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Who is Rajan? A man of intellectual integrity and character, respected for his independence, Rajan differed from the mighty Wall Street in US supported by the then US Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan. Greenspan was, for two decades, worshipped as the God of Money, who could and did create money out of thin air and kept the US finance theatre going. Rajan had forewarned the US of the impending disaster of 2008. That was how he became famous in the world of finance. And that brought him to India. He was a celebrity even before he became the RBI head. The other way round in the case of his predecessor's predecessor Dr YV Reddy. Dr Reddy became a global celebrity central banker based on his stewardship of the RBI during the global crisis. Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel Laureate in economics (2001) said, “If America had a central bank chief like YV Reddy, the US economy would not have been in such a mess.” The New York Times (Dec 19, 2008) credited the tough lending standards Reddy had imposed on Indian banks for saving the Indian banking system in 2008, when cheap money was flowing into India in billions. Despite all pressures from Chidambaram, Reddy did not allow the government to live off the easy money. Chidambaram, who had shared no friendly relation with Reddy, himself confessed in 2011 that Reddy must have had a “premonition about the 2008 crisis.” Reddy prevented reckless lending by Indian banks and avoided the crisis. Rajan wrote against cheap money, Reddy acted against it — both when the whole world was celebrating cheap money. While Reddy became famous as Governor, the famous Rajan became the Governor. Understandably Rajan must have been under pressure from within to protect his celebrity profile abroad. But Reddy was in sync with Indian economy as well as the West. Rajan knew the West, but he was not in sync with India. While everyone knows about Reddy’s global fame as monetarist, most analysts do not know about his work on rural banking, on reviving co-operative banks, his focus on the common man, and his emphasis on financial inclusion through information technology. This made Rajan and Reddy, both otherwise brilliant, different. Rajan, who had spent his whole life after postgraduation in US, missed interior India like Ludhiana, Bhatala, Rajkot, Jamnagar, Baroda, Morvi or Coimbatore, Tirupur, Namakkal, Karur, Sivakasi down south where business entrepreneurship has grown as a communitarian movement, almost disconnected from the formal banking — read monetary — system. Had he done so he would have understood that Mumbai is not India and the knowledge about India is beyond its expertise. Just a couple of examples, out of several hundreds. Most policy makers in India do not know that it is Morvi in Gujarat which has the highest per capita income in India. More than half its population is employed or self-employed. It produces 70 per cent of gross national ceramic production, (5 per cent of the world’s), some 80 per cent of the country’s Compact Fluorescent Lamps (CFL) and is also the largest producer of wall clocks in India. It is the social capital of Morvi, not any IIT or IIM or university that did it for Morvi. Many do not know that two thirds of the knitwear entrepreneurs in Tirupur, which exports almost $4 billion worth garments, have ended their formal education before Class 10. In 2009, the banks under RBI supervision cheated them by illegally selling exotic derivatives and caused them losses of Rs 400 crore. They paid that money, which they did not borrow, without asking for a write off. This unorganised part of Indian economy would not figure in the financial media which is hooked to the stock market as the measuring rod of the Indian economy. This India was not on Rajan’s radar.


Mudra and Rajan

When the Modi government came it realised that it could not generate jobs unless it funded the 58 million unfunded unorganised businesses which needed a capital of Rs 12 lakh crore — of which just 4 per cent was provided by banks. The government decided on a new financial architecture, the MUDRA bank, on the lines of the National Housing Bank, to focus on them and fund them. But Rajan’s RBI stonewalled it, saying it would lead to regulatory arbitrage — meaning seeking to profit between two regimes — and systemic risk. That these 58 million units are funded by Rs 12 lakh crore in black money is not systemic risk? Is the usurious interest charged by private money lenders — at 30 to 120 per cent — not arbitrage between regulated lending and unregulated financial markets? Are these not the concern of the RBI? Rajan did not have an answer and yet he would not think of organised finance for the unorganised sector. A study by Credit Suisse, endorsed by The Economist, both driven by western impulses, had said that the best way to organise the unorganised Indian economy, which generates half of India’s GDP and 90 per cent of non-farming jobs, is to provide it organised finance. Yet the RBI just turned its back on MUDRA, which is one of the flagship programmes of the government. The result? MUDRA is in limbo.

Fiscal vs monetary

The RBI has exclusive domain over monetary economics. But it is not clear whether it has fully grasped the impact and effect of the crash of credit growth as a percentage of the GDP from 2009-10. The ratio of bank credit to GDP had slipped from 10.95 per cent in 2009-10 to just 4.4 per cent in 2015-16. In the same period the fiscal deficit too was cut from 6.45 per cent to 4 per cent. The combined fiscal deficit and bank credit fell from 17.4 per cent to 8.4 per cent — to less than the nominal GDP of 11 per cent for 2015-16. When there is a secular fall in bank credit, the only way the government could fix the economy was by expanding the fiscal economy — read by raising the fiscal deficit. But Rajan who, in trying to target bad loans, virtually destroyed the business appetite for credit, would not even allow government the flexibility of a higher fiscal deficit to energise the economy. He began saying, and the Western media began quoting, that he was watching whether the government moved towards fiscal consolidation — meaning towards the fiscal deficit target of 3 per cent — or not, a domain that was not his. His monetary fundamentalism came close to Western textbook rules whose universal validity has become suspect even in the West, with each country working out its own independent course. With the result, the economy becoming increasingly starved of money, the government was forced to seek to to amend the law relating to fiscal deficit for a new fiscal-monetary relation so that if one goes up the other comes down. With the credit offtake falling in a rising economy, the RBI ought to be clearly seeing where the vitamin of money comes from to finance the higher growth. The new finance is sourced in an unprecedented rise in cash holdings which have risen to Rs 15 lakh crore in 2015-16 with the share of high denomination notes in the total currency in circulation rising from 33 per cent to 85 per cent in 2015-16. These distortions were occurring under the very nose of Rajan. But he overlooked them, because he had never handled economies where banks do not control the entire monetary system.

QED: Change of guard at the RBI is inevitable. India does not need a celebrity governor. It needs an economist who knows the hinterland India, who can keep his head down and work. To U-turn the current direction of the RBI will take a long time — but let it begin at least.

S Gurumurthy is a well-known commentator on economic and political affairs
 
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@Levina this is the best proof why the move to fire Rajan was a f*cking disaster.

Swadeshi Jagaran Manch is a STUPID organization run by idiots who don't know ABC of economics. In all their ill educated they throw in BS like nationalist, hindu interest etc.

S Gurumurthy was one of it's luminaries (another chartered accountant turned journalist and policy maker). He used this philosophy in the ING Karur Vyasa Bank merger. Instead of looking at overall organizational efficiency and economics he used the logic of 'the caste group (of the founders) wanted to keep a role for themselves' and so on. Finally the merger turned out to be a flop, destroyed both organizations and ING had to be taken over by Kotak. These kinds of retards should not be talking economics.
Ah!
I wanted to hear counter points too. :tup:

Will watch this thread for more info.

Just dnt split and slice each other during the discussions. :disagree:
 
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@Levina this is the best proof why the move to fire Rajan was a f*cking disaster.

Swadeshi Jagaran Manch is a STUPID organization run by idiots who don't know ABC of economics. In all their ill educated they throw in BS like nationalist, hindu interest etc.

S Gurumurthy was one of it's luminaries (another chartered accountant turned journalist and policy maker). He used this philosophy in the ING Karur Vyasa Bank merger. Instead of looking at overall organizational efficiency and economics he used the logic of 'the caste group (of the founders) wanted to keep a role for themselves' and so on. Finally the merger turned out to be a flop, destroyed both organizations and ING had to be taken over by Kotak. These kinds of retards should not be talking economics.
Oh please... you speak as if we had a perfect economy till date that is going to be destroyed now.
We had shitty rulers till date and we continue to have some more.
Regarding mergers and experts running businesses, there are lots of examples where they failed spectacularly.
Lets not try to paint so broadly.
 
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I have refrained commenting anything about R3 owing to the fact that I do knw him and have met him in good number of time over years officially and unofficially.

The man will remain a talent unmatchable for most of the ppl. But he is also the one which any government irrespective of UPA or NDA will hate over long term.

His way is simple. His approach is even more simple. Beneath the world of all the big numbers and %, he simply considered our country's economy as a patient.

A good doctor does not necessarily starts antibiotics from day1 especially if the disease we have does nt need one in the first place.

In banking the fudging of books, the late disposition of stressed assets formally , making provisions and fudging bottomlines is done by all top management to showcase good credible numbers. That and hiding bad loans by giving a fresh loan to cover that up or simply evergreening is always a rampant abuse.

This is the disease which R3 was fighting. He wanted the banks to show the true picture. But showing true picture means banks won't be able to extend credit much, some may make public withdraw deposits beyond the stress test permissible scenario of 25-30%.

In such a situation the whole banking industry has to be given a bailout stimulus which no government would like to do as its basically the similar result of 2008 global crisis.

The other issue is no bank wants to pass the benefits what RBI extended them by cutting CRR and SLR and giving them benefit of liquity via repo/reverse repo and other mediums.

An example is the base rate calculations which is now a lot more corrected but still a long way to go for us.

Government is always wrong to think that to revive economic growth the interest rates should be accommodating. That's a short term gain and a long term disaster bcz everything gets attuned to such accommodating rates.

Of course post R3 also RBI will keep up the good work. It does nt require any party's certificate.

Sadly swamy witch-hunt agenda is a wrong focussing of hisnown calibre. He is already killing the Congress debates in rajya sabha. But somewhere he got to understand and distinguish positive criticism and it's difference from witch hunting ..


Ahemmmmmmmmm!!!
Did anyone notice this???

@Abingdonboy @ranjeet @Skull and Bones @Rain Man @thesolar65 @Syama Ayas @Dash @rockstarIN @anant_s


Congrats @PARIKRAMA !!!
Finally!!
Well deserved. :)

Confession: I was a lil worried if my acts had somehow hampered your accession..................................................................................................................to a TINK-TONK. :P :devil:

Kidding! :)
 
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Oh please... you speak as if we had a perfect economy till date that is going to be destroyed now.
We had shitty rulers till date and we continue to have some more.
Regarding mergers and experts running businesses, there are lots of examples where they failed spectacularly.
Lets not try to paint so broadly.
Bhakt, we did not f**k up companies by using stupid logic like the caste group wants it. There few where morons have used such logic.
 
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India needs GST and Swamiji can take a HIKE if he does nt like GST

I have refrained commenting anything about R3 owing to the fact that I do knw him and have met him in good number of time over years officially and unofficially.

The man will remain a talent unmatchable for most of the ppl. But he is also the one which any government irrespective of UPA or NDA will hate over long term.

His way is simple. His approach is even more simple. Beneath the world of all the big numbers and %, he simply considered our country's economy as a patient.

A good doctor does not necessarily starts antibiotics from day1 especially if the disease we have does nt need one in the first place.

In banking the fudging of books, the late disposition of stressed assets formally , making provisions and fudging bottomlines is done by all top management to showcase good credible numbers. That and hiding bad loans by giving a fresh loan to cover that up or simply evergreening is always a rampant abuse.

This is the disease which R3 was fighting. He wanted the banks to show the true picture. But showing true picture means banks won't be able to extend credit much, some may make public withdraw deposits beyond the stress test permissible scenario of 25-30%.

In such a situation the whole banking industry has to be given a bailout stimulus which no government would like to do as its basically the similar result of 2008 global crisis.

The other issue is no bank wants to pass the benefits what RBI extended them by cutting CRR and SLR and giving them benefit of liquity via repo/reverse repo and other mediums.

An example is the base rate calculations which is now a lot more corrected but still a long way to go for us.

Government is always wrong to think that to revive economic growth the interest rates should be accommodating. That's a short term gain and a long term disaster bcz everything gets attuned to such accommodating rates.

Of course post R3 also RBI will keep up the good work. It does nt require any party's certificate.

Sadly swamy witch-hunt agenda is a wrong focussing of hisnown calibre. He is already killing the Congress debates in rajya sabha. But somewhere he got to understand and distinguish positive criticism and it's difference from witch hunting ..

Indian Banks' Balance sheets were F***ed up by the Congress party

RBI and Rajan ordering a clean up so late in the day raises a few questions

Why did nt Rajan raise this issue when UPA was in power

Why did nt he immediately raise this issue in May 2014 when the New government came to power

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Rajan's positive contribution is building up the forex reserves

But Honestly RBI governor is the MOST overrated position in Indian economy

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Indian economy moves forward ONLY when Industrial production ; exports and
other sectors grow in tandem -- ie agriculture ;infrastructure and services included

Now given the Huge bottlenecks that were created by the UPA ; the present government
has only been removing the obstacles and road blocks that had strangled the Indian economy

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India has a very large number of talented professionals
Academics ; Bankers ; Economists who can all fill in Rajan's shoes

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RBI Governor SHOULD be a YES man

If the Government says reduce the Interest rates ; He should say YES Sir -- By How Much

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The ULTIMATE responsibility of the Economy lies with the PM and the FM

It is their Heads on the Block

Everybody else is dispensable
 
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Bhakt, we did not f**k up companies by using stupid logic like the caste group wants it. There few where morons have used such logic.
There you go with your paint again. Keep your title selling business to yourself. I am not interested.
I am not aware of any merger between ING and KVB. I had KVB shares very recently.
So no f**k happened there. May be something happened with ING Vysya bank which is different from KVB.

You may have not f**ked up companies, but you did f**k the country. The social engineering disaster that has been created in the country is there for everyone to see. And unlike you, I blame all the political parties for that. You only seem to get worked up when BJP uses it.
 
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There you go with your paint again. Keep your title selling business to yourself. I am not interested.
I am not aware of any merger between ING and KVB. I had KVB shares very recently.
So no f**k happened there. May be something happened with ING Vysya bank which is different from KVB.

You may have not f**ked up companies, but you did f**k the country. The social engineering disaster that has been created in the country is there for everyone to see. And unlike you, I blame all the political parties for that. You only seem to get worked up when BJP uses it.

Bhakti wants to defend it's track record after f*ing things up. It even cooks up an idea that said merger never happened.
 
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Bhakti wants to defend it's track record after f*ing things up. It even cooks up an idea that said merger never happened.

ING Vysya bank MERGED with KOTAK Mahindra

Kotak Mahindra took over ING Vysya
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Karur Vysya Bank is still on its own
 
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ING Vysya bank MERGED with KOTAK Mahindra

Yeah that STUPID, LUMBERING Bank which suffered for a decade because of the f**k ups that Gurumurthy did finally sold itself to Kotak and ended it's misery. While all other MNC banks like citi, HSBC and RBS made headways, the only international bank that failed in India was ING.
 
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Yeah that STUPID, LUMBERING Bank which suffered for a decade because of the f**k ups that Gurumurthy did finally sold itself to Kotak and ended it's misery. While all other MNC banks like citi, HSBC and RBS made headways, the only international bank that failed in India was ING.

Totally FAKE false and baseless allegations

S Gurumurthi had NOTHING to do with ING Vysya -- You are Hallucinating
 
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Totally FAKE false and baseless allegations

S Gurumurthi had NOTHING to do with ING Vysya -- You are Hallucinating

I'm sure that's why he was braying like a donkey about how he proved his theory of how caste and identity can play a role in business by quoting ING Vysya as a stellar example of how it works. In the end all businesees flopped, even the insurance division needed to be sold off.
 
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I'm sure that's why he was braying like a donkey about how he proved his theory of how caste and identity can play a role in business by quoting ING Vysya as a stellar example of how it works. In the end all businesees flopped, even the insurance division needed to be sold off.

Please post some links and articles about the connection between ING Vysya and S Gurumurthy

I cant find any

Your words alone have No weight ; value or meaning
 
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