Junagarh, Bihar and Hyderabad State Under Indian Occupation

[kumar_V1.0]

Junagrah and Hyderabad were Parts of Pakistan taken over by Indian Military. Bihar also wanted to be Pakistan. They can still be part of Pakistan and we need to start including them in the agenda with talks with India. Kashmir, Sir Creek and Siachin are not the only 3 terrirtories disputed between India and Pakistan.

I m from Bihar. Everyone is oppressed here waiting for Pakistan to fight for our freedom. We need a great and mighty world power nation like Pakistan to fight for us.

 

[Nemesis]

isnt Maharashtra and Kerala under illegal Indian occupation as well?

 

[PostColonial]

^Delhi is definitely under Indian occupation. UP and Punjab too.

 

[UnitedPak]

These regions are not disputed territories and it is unrealistic to claim them but the topic highlights an important point.

I am not sure about Bihar, but Junagadh and Jodhpur expressed wishes to join Pakistan after the partition. The Nawab of Junagadh even officially acceded to Pakistan.
But Pakistan never had a wish to force its rule on the people. So even when the rulers acceded to Pak, a plebiscite was agreed by India and Pakistan. The Indian government at the time and Mountbatten protested these decisions because of a Hindu majority population, hence they should be part of India.

But when it came to Kashmir the rules of partition didnt apply any longer. The Kashmiri people never got a say in the matter. They demand freedom to this day.

 

[Renegade]

These regions are not disputed territories and it is unrealistic to claim them but the topic highlights an important point.

I am not sure about Bihar, but Junagadh and Jodhpur expressed wishes to join Pakistan after the partition. The Nawab of Junagadh even officially acceded to Pakistan.
But Pakistan never had a wish to force its rule on the people. So even when the rulers acceded to Pak, a plebiscite was agreed by India and Pakistan. The Indian government at the time and Mountbatten protested these decisions because of a Hindu majority population, hence they should be part of India.

Your statements abou Pakistan never trying to force its rule on the people are absolutely baseless - historical records show that Pakistan did everything in its power to stop the accessation of Junagrh to India.

But when it came to Kashmir the rules of partition didnt apply any longer. The Kashmiri people never got a say in the matter. They demand freedom to this day.

Neither Bihar nor Jodhpur where ever disputed territories, though you are partially right about Junagarh.

The nawab of Jungarh had accede to Pakistan and fled to Pakistan ablong with is family. Consiquently the Dewan of Jungarh, Shah Nawaz Bhutto (father of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto) invited the Indian government to intervean. A pebiscite was held that went unanimously in favour of accessation to India.

 

[arihant]

These regions are not disputed territories and it is unrealistic to claim them but the topic highlights an important point.

I am not sure about Bihar, but Junagadh and Jodhpur expressed wishes to join Pakistan after the partition. The Nawab of Junagadh even officially acceded to Pakistan.
But Pakistan never had a wish to force its rule on the people. So even when the rulers acceded to Pak, a plebiscite was agreed by India and Pakistan. The Indian government at the time and Mountbatten protested these decisions because of a Hindu majority population, hence they should be part of India.

But when it came to Kashmir the rules of partition didnt apply any longer. The Kashmiri people never got a say in the matter. They demand freedom to this day.

Let Put Bihar a side - Because I have no idea, first time heard and trying google became waste of time as not resource for that.

Junagadh - They did acced but it was not viable for more then reasons. The first reasons is that it doesn't have border with Pakistan. It's like having enclave of other country in your heart.

Jodhpur - Just heard but not concert voice raised by King. Both Jodhpur and Jaisalmer acceded to India without any problem I think.

Hyderabad - He was supporter of India but once again he didn't share border and was like another Junagadh.

Kashmir - Problem is that Kashmir was independent until Pak Attacked and king acceded. Biggest Problem lies is that both nations have border with this state. India rightfully claim it belongs to India because of acceded by King while Pakistan claim it was muslim populated.

See, what happen to Junagadh and Hyderabad cannot be compared with Kashmir as, in Pakistan also they took the Baluchistan. Kashmir was allready independent and had signed standstill treaty with both nations. So, why attacked. If you would have attack any other territory which doesn't lies on border would have not seen Indian inclusion.

See, this thread again becomes India vs Pakistan, with core issue of Kashmir and we allready have tons of such threads.

 

[Moorkh]

bihar and the states in rajasthan had no problems at all about who to join. whoever came up with the hairbrained idea about them wanting to join pakistan

junagadh and hyderabad as has been mentioned did not have a contiguous border with pakistan and therefore did not have a choice about the matter. the rulers only tried to delay the inevitable result of joining india.#

kashmir is still being quarreled over and i dont want to join that

 

[rubyjackass]

^Delhi is definitely under Indian occupation. UP and Punjab too.

Tamilnadu and Andhra also...

 

[Jako]

Damn, then what are we from wb???......we are just too far way!!!.....maybe ,east pakistanis???.....oh wait,east pakistan doesnt exist!!......why???......

 

[HAIDER]

I have to clarify some doubts to you first.
1. Hyderabad Nawab was a supporter of Pakistan.
2. Though hyderbad was a princely state ruled by muslims, mulslims were minority. (read hyderabad as whole telangana and some parts of karnataka too. not the current hyd city.)

Since nawab wanted to join Pak but people of hyderabad didnt. it resulted in Telangana Rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

soooo. people of hyderabad princely state never wanted to join pak. take a chill pill now and relax.

Exactly same scenario Kashmir is facing, so let's do the justice..... what now ?????

 

[Hyde]

well i have read the history about Hyederabad and personally met with the peoples belong to Hyederabad who said they wanted to Join Pakistan but Indians occuped it but that is only a part of history now and if we talk about present they may never want to join us again since there is not any land boundary connecting to Hyederabad............

Just live as it is and first resolve the Masla-e-Kashmir instead of talking about any third state that will not be part of Pakistan anymore

 

[Renegade]

Exactly same scenario Kashmir is facing, so let's do the justice..... what now ?????

Wrong. The problem in Kashmir is only due to the Islamic fundamentalists and export of terrorists from across the border.

From 1948 to 1989 there was no problem in J&K, then the ISI suddenly realises that they can do an Afghanistan in Kashmir and then out of the blue there is a problem.

In 1965 "Operation Grand Slam" which was meant to forment an uprising against Indian failed and the people of J&K then themselves help apprehend many of the infiltartors.

 

[PakSher]

We need to have a composite dialogue and agenda with India. India will no longer be allowed to pick and choose. What was ours is ours and Indian occupation will come to an end. Junagarh could have been a free port and an economic asset for Pakistan. All outstanding issues will be added to the list of issues going forward.

 

[arihant]

We need to have a composite dialogue and agenda with India. India will no longer be allowed to pick and choose. What was ours is ours and Indian occupation will come to an end. Junagarh could have been a free port and an economic asset for Pakistan. All outstanding issues will be added to the list of issues going forward.

Will you allow US to give up the FATA surrounded by Pakistan. Enclaves would have create worst situation. Dialogues are welcome which are meant for peace.

 

[kumar_V1.0]

We need to have a composite dialogue and agenda with India. India will no longer be allowed to pick and choose. What was ours is ours and Indian occupation will come to an end. Junagarh could have been a free port and an economic asset for Pakistan. All outstanding issues will be added to the list of issues going forward.

What about starting with ASSETS u are already holding? Why not start with working on them for Pakistan development.