Hi,
Some of them have woken up to reality---. Turkey has recognized israel---so has egypt---and so have the arabs---.
What is Israel to us to have any issues with them.
It's true that Turkey recognized Israel but at the same time that was long before the country had a representative government in power (1949) instead it occured under a dictatorship the same is true for most Arab states that have recognized Israel (ex. Egypt, UAE, Bahrain and Morocco).
This isn't a move to promote peace, harmony and protect/safeguard the rights of the Palestinian peoples rather to make authoritarian rule in GCC nations "kosher", pardon the pun.
As for democratic Turkey their growing hostility and aversion to Israel now has Israeli's regarding them as a growing threat:
Israeli military and intelligence assessments see Turkey as growing threat
It was only a few days ago, after a 2 year hiatus, that Turkey even bothered to fill the post of ambassador to Israel in order to try and ease tensions under upcoming US President Joe Biden but for all intensive purposes diplomatic relations between the two are almost non-existent.
Seems like Israel's friends are tyrants and war criminals just like its leaders.
Furthermore, considering Pakistan's strong ties to and alliance with China we've effectively put ourselves in a totally different camp from Israel and those that support it.
Why would we establish relations with them now?
If there was a time we could have it might have been in the 90s under the leadership of Gen. Zia Ul Haq had he survived the assassination.
It's pretty inconsequential now for us, Israel will be dealt with eventually unless they somehow manage to amalgamate the Palestinians into Israeli society, give them equal citizenship but at that point it would be the beginning of the end of Israel anyways as the Palestinian population will eventually outnumber the Jews and take over the country.
I am very upset at the comments of other users with harsh & inappropriate comments against our scholars.
I think everyone is a little upset myself included.
If you look back at my past posts you'll see I've overwelmingly defended the Ulema, Deoband, etc... but there are SERIOUS problems with these "scholars" particularly those of the Deoband.
The British Raj had "scholars" among the Deoband that referred to Jinnah as a heretic, the idea of an Islamic Republic whose constitution would be Islamic and the nation a homeland for Pakistan's Muslims as something evil and supported the mushrik Hindu in not just trying to convince people to vote the idea of an Islamic Republic down but later supported calls for violence and war against Pakistan in fact they still do.
Hindu extremists used Deoband JUI-H resolutions and Madani's statements that supported Indian atrocities and occupation of Kashmir as marketing material for why they're justified in their actions while normal, decent Muslims called him out:
The same Deoband "scholars" like Madani (JUI-H) is seen here on video glorifying secularism and its virtues and he's so delusional he refuses to see India for what it is while Musharraf, who no one would accuse of being an Islamic scholar, was warning them of serious threats headed their way:
Later this "scholar" goes on to praise Modi despite his history:
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-Jamiats-Modi-praise/articleshow/18566288.cms
Then things take a turn for him and other "Muslims" in India with state sanctioned violence no longer primarily confined to Kashmir and once Madani recognizes what's happening and goes off on Modi he's lambasted by other "scholars":
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/nor...n-narendra-modi-india-today-154323-2013-02-17
This is a serious problem.
I get they're Indian nutjobs but this says a lot about how utterly stupid and/or foolish a lot of these "scholars" are.
The issue here isn't independent scholars giving sound advice to other Muslims rather what increasingly seems like those who are voicing a foreign agenda or seeking to curry favor with those in power making statements that have no merit or understanding of ground realities and aren't in the interest of Muslims.
Just go back to 2015 when the JUI-F and other Deoband organizations were campaigning for Pakistan's participation in the now utterly failed, horrific GCC "War of Terror" on the good Muslims of Yemen.
Why in the world would these "scholars" support a war that would see Muslim men, women and children starve and die?
I'm disheartened and disappointed that Shirani would make those statements:
- Turkey isn't the Ottoman Empire which was destroyed by the very people who created Israel.
- In light of verses like Surah 60:09 how do we make peace with Israel without a Palestinian state?
"Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong."
So Shirani wants us to cooperate with the very occupation whose existence is owed to the destruction of the last caliphate and has driven Muslims from their homes and refuses their ability to return while driving other Muslims from their homes snatching their land in an act of colonialism?
The same state that is actively supporting and arming hegemonic hindu terrorists? We should be arming the Palestinians not standing idly by and waiting for bombs to drop on us.
I'm sorry but this isn't scholarship this is ridiculous.
