Jordan says will ‘take measures’ if Syrian refugee crisis not resolved

[Falcon29]

Exactly 7abibi.

It is one of the Arab and Libyan heroes of the last part of the early century. Omar al-Mukhtar. Famous Libyan resistance leader against the Italian colonialists. Ultimately he was hanged by them.

There is a pretty famous movie called "Lion of the Desert" that was based on him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_of_the_Desert

You knew him.

There's your answer Moosh. 

Masha'Allah, very good but you need to distance away from what Shias believe, that should be one of your main concern because it seems like you're sympathizing them when you talk about religion with them. Instead, Dawah and challenge is the best way discussing with them if they want to talk about religion. There's tons on YT between Suuni and Shias, you can take points then discussing with one another so we can help the Shias leaving this mushrikeen.

BTW, I can't see your avatar properly, who is it?

I have a Shia community somewhat near where I live. I don't do youtube videos because many imams give their viewpoints and it's unfair to take a few of theirs whom maybe they don't even know to criticize them. I believe in dialogue with them and I don't believe in judging them. Some things are similar and some aren't.

 

[al-Hasani]

You knew him.

There's your answer Moosh. 


I have a Shia community somewhat near where I live. I don't do youtube videos because many imams give their viewpoints and it's unfair to take a few of theirs whom maybe they don't even know to criticize them. I believe in dialogue with them and I don't believe in judging them. Some things are similar and some aren't.

Of course I knew him and most contemporary Muslim and Arab heroes. Basic stuff in history classes across the Arab world. At least it used to be.

I would keep a long distance from Shia teachings myself. Dialogue is fine as long as it is constructive but if they try to impose their beliefs then I will personally advice everyone to keep a long distance based on personal experiences and reading about their teachings for a long time. Solely due to the beliefs they would probably propagandize. And he can be a fellow Arab, Hashemite, Saudi Arabian or whatever. I will tell him that I am not interested and that the talk should be about a different topic obviously AFTER I have put forward my version and given dawah to him.

The only conclusion is that they are a danger in Syria right now for the Muslims there.

And the teachings of the Nusayris are so far away from Islam that I struggle to include them in the Muslim family even. But anyone can digest their teachings as they are widely available. At least those that are not kept secret since they have made great steps to adopt secrecy in terms of teachings and exposure.

 

[Armstrong]

Of course I knew him and most contemporary Muslim and Arab heroes. Basic stuff in history classes across the Arab world. At least it used to be.

Doc, everyone knows Omar Mukhtar - He gave Graziani hell !

Anthony Quinn played him well !

 

[al-Hasani]

Doc, everyone knows Omar Mukhtar - He gave Graziani hell !

Anthony Quinn played him well !

One can find the whole movie on Youtube on this link below:

 

[Falcon29]

Hasani I will respond later tonight when I get done with college.

In the meantime I'm standing outside my college building and this Indian was smoking a blunt I think and he asks a random girl for a cigarette and he's starts talking gibberish and says India will defeat the West in 10 years and the West will cede. LOL! he was just talking to himself and he went on saying it all starts with a paper and a pencil. Ha Ha Ha we were all like what in the world is going on.

 

[Falcon29]

Of course I knew him and most contemporary Muslim and Arab heroes. Basic stuff in history classes across the Arab world. At least it used to be.

I would keep a long distance from Shia teachings myself. Dialogue is fine as long as it is constructive but if they try to impose their beliefs then I will personally advice everyone to keep a long distance based on personal experiences and reading about their teachings for a long time. Solely due to the beliefs they would probably propagandize. And he can be a fellow Arab, Hashemite, Saudi Arabian or whatever. I will tell him that I am not interested and that the talk should be about a different topic obviously AFTER I have put forward my version and given dawah to him.

The only conclusion is that they are a danger in Syria right now for the Muslims there.

And the teachings of the Nusayris are so far away from Islam that I struggle to include them in the Muslim family even. But anyone can digest their teachings as they are widely available. At least those that are not kept secret since they have made great steps to adopt secrecy in terms of teachings and exposure.

I'm a person that sticks to my lifestyle, when I decide something rock solid it stays rock solid. So me wandering around different beliefs is not a factor at all and I don't even think of it.

I think both Sunni and Shia when speaking to one another try to impose their beliefs on each other, in the Arab world. In the western world it comes at a more logical approach.

I don't believe in judging them either, which by that I mean condemning them to death or right away declaring they are wrong. I believe in telling them they have a misunderstanding with certain content of Islam. Which all derives from who we both consider an more accurate source of hadith and which hadith is weak and strong from which figure and different figures.

It isn't a quick discussion or a general one. I think from one topic to another it should be discussed with specific details and sources and in depth breaking apart and understanding of hadith.

That being said, I believe we need to deal with Muslims in general beforehand. Because we are getting too many secular people with secular lifestyles...soon that will become secular ideas and later you know how the process will keep evolving. We are at a danger of losing our identity. If we can work on our Arabic Muslim population in general it is the first and most difficult step.

Then we work on the Sunni sects, when awareness is great knowledge will increase from one to another and sufficient knowledge will be easily noticed apart from inefficient knowledge filling the gaps of the misunderstanding between Sunni sects ultimately leading to one people's who follow the Sunnah of the Rasool(SAW) closest.

After that do we have dialogue with Shia Muslims. And in all honesty, I don't even know if the first step is possible, it needs tremendous effort and it seems we may in a decade or a couple decades see a cultural breakthrough in which some Arabs want to adopt a more foreign lifestyle. On a positive note, the Arabic world has gone from normal secular lifestyle or at least less religious lifestyle to a religious lifestyle back and forth in history. So anything can change, it isn't a change for once and all.

If it is a change for once and all, I think we may approaching the end of human civilization and going into the different life. The judgement and afterlife.

Keep in mind, the Prophet(SAW) said in a hadith there will be people amongst our Ummah who will fight for the truth till the final day. I'm not positive on who these people may be. Although it could refer to the mujahideen. Now, rightful mujahideen should be considered in this. I know we see many faults today with some people claiming to represent a Mujahid. Also know that what a Mujahid is, is actually a role model for the youth. This has more to do with their purpose than just struggling. Almost like maintainers of the community.

 

[MooshMoosh]

Then we work on the Sunni sects, when awareness is great knowledge will increase from one to another and sufficient knowledge will be easily noticed apart from inefficient knowledge filling the gaps of the misunderstanding between Sunni sects ultimately leading to one people's who follow the Sunnah of the Rasool(SAW) closest.

After that do we have dialogue with Shia Muslims. And in all honesty, I don't even know if the first step is possible, it needs tremendous effort and it seems we may in a decade or a couple decades see a cultural breakthrough in which some Arabs want to adopt a more foreign lifestyle. On a positive note, the Arabic world has gone from normal secular lifestyle or at least less religious lifestyle to a religious lifestyle back and forth in history. So anything can change, it isn't a change for once and all.

We're not sect, we are 1.7 billion Muslims from Ahlul Suunah wa Jama'ah who worship no one but Allah (SWT) and any other than that, Allah will never forgive anyone if they commit Shirk and the punishment will be the deepest pit of Jahanam. Even though, Allah is ar Rahmaan and ar Raheem who is merciful and forgives any Muslims except for shirk which is very clear for all Muslims.

Shias are minorities who are Murtadeed, Mushrikeen, Apostate, Blasphemy, idol and grave worshippers and they are worst than other religion which in fact they are close to Atheism and usually mixed similarities with Judaism, Christianity and Hinduism. Just because you didn't do enough research on their "bizarre" religion or who they are really. Seriously, I just posted the first four videos yet you call them Muslims? Before you say such thing, open a book first. I don't even have to mention all the warnings of the Mushriks on the Quran and the Hadith regarding to Mushriks and Shirk because every Muslims should KNOW this. This authentic quote is enough for you (read below) and mention regarding to Jews; Abdullah Ibn Saba started the Shi'ite invention after the khalif was chosen by the Sahabas which the Shias hate then later, it separated into sects which is very clear and stated authentic and they are very similiar. I honestly don't know why you refute scholars, they are required to memorize the Quran, the Hadith and study the Aqeeda and the Ulema so watch what you say about them. Sometimes you can disagree with their political views but with Islam, nope.

Muhammad Ibn ‘Amr from Abi Salamah that Abi Hurrarah narrated that the Messenger of Allah salla Allahu ‘alayhi wasalama said: “The Jews have separated into 71 or 72 sects, and the Christians have been separated into 71 or 72 sects, and my Ummah on 73 sects."

"Indeed this nation will split into 73 sects, 72 will be in the hell-fire, and one will be in paradise, and that is the Jama’ah.” Narrated by Abu Dawood in his Sunnan.

http://www.youtube.com/user/RafidiTerminator/videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/LeftShia4good/videos



Yeah, Hasani I know Mukhtar, my mother used to tell me about him when I was a kid. I just couldn't see the tiny face in his avator. Thanks for that brother.

 

[Cheetah786]

I spent 1 minute to be able to understand your dumb point. However, the FSA is strong enough to only target your beloved terrorists while your heavily armed terrorists strong only with civilians, and that's why we have refugees. Two years ago, there was nothing called FSA, but nowadays they control many Syrian areas and inflicted unrecoverable damage to your terrorists thousands of tanks, APCs, and IFVs were destroyed, and hundreds of jets were destroyed and shot down, and tens of thousands of terrorists were sent straight to hell. That's why they're getting weaker and the FSA are getting stronger.

As i said love your Hypocrisy.

People defending their territory from terrorist BAD

Terrorist trained and armed by GCC IS GOOD.

Young Saudis urged to avoid Syria war

Kindgom's grand mufti says joining rebels "not obligatory" and tells preachers they should not encourage involvement.


The grand mufti, appointed by the Saudi king, also warned preachers against encouraging young men to fight in Syria during their sermons, after delivering what the paper said was a lecture on "Deviation among the youth" at a mosque.

"Muslim should be fearful of God and not deceive young Muslims and exploit their weakness and lack of insight and push them to an abyss," the mufti was quoted by the newspaper.

"I advise them to advise as they would advise their sons."

Saudi Arabia is wary that Terrorist could return home and use their experiences against the kingdom's rulers.

A Gulf Arab source familiar with military movements in the region said in September 2012 that thousands of Saudis traveled to Syria to join the Terrorist. It is not known how many succeeded.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middl...audis-avoid-syria-war-201310282238800365.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middl...audis-avoid-syria-war-201310282238800365.html


Mr Hypocrite you might wanna listen to your Mufti

Muslim should be fearful of God and not deceive young Muslims and exploit their weakness and lack of insight and push them to an abyss



Black eagles and Other GCC Terrorist sympathizers hypocrisy is legendary.

Black eagle thinks Syrian refugees are burden on Jordan but at the same time he is willing to destroy Syria with Terrorist attacks these refugees home land to protect them.

 

[Cheetah786]

We're not sect, we are 1.7 billion Muslims(You are a wahhabi) from Sheikh abdula wahab who worship no one but yazeed and Americans other than that Dollars and DInars plus boys, Allah will never forgive anyone if they commit Shirk and the punishment will be the deepest pit of Jahanam
Insha'Allah.Even though, Allah is ar Rahmaan and ar Raheem who is merciful and forgives any Muslims except for shirk which is very clear for all Muslims.

Shias are minorities(Jack *** when people say 1.7 billion Muslims in the world they also count shias but i forgive you since you are a Wahhabi and Arab) who are Murtadeed, Mushrikeen, Apostate, Blasphemy, idol and grave worshipers we are not the ones followin and they are worst than other religion which in fact they are close to Atheism and usually mixed similarities with (Judaism, Christianity Wahhabi Gods are from Israel and USA) and Hinduism.

MooshMoosh Lives in Australia which according to him is infidel country but these Wahhabi hypocrisy as i said is legendary.





Yeah, Hasani I MooshMoosh Knows Mukhtar, my mother used to tell me about him when I was a kid . I just couldn't see the tiny face in his avator. Thanks for that brother.how many others she didn't tell you about i wonder.

 

Doc, everyone knows Omar Mukhtar - He gave Graziani hell !

Anthony Quinn played him well !

MooshMoosh Mom knew him personally

 

[Falcon29]

We're not sect, we are 1.7 billion Muslims from Ahlul Suunah wa Jama'ah who worship no one but Allah (SWT) and any other than that, Allah will never forgive anyone if they commit Shirk and the punishment will be the deepest pit of Jahanam. Even though, Allah is ar Rahmaan and ar Raheem who is merciful and forgives any Muslims except for shirk which is very clear for all Muslims.

Shias are minorities who are Murtadeed, Mushrikeen, Apostate, Blasphemy, idol and grave worshippers and they are worst than other religion which in fact they are close to Atheism and usually mixed similarities with Judaism, Christianity and Hinduism. Just because you didn't do enough research on their "bizarre" religion or who they are really. Seriously, I just posted the first four videos yet you call them Muslims? Before you say such thing, open a book first. I don't even have to mention all the warnings of the Mushriks on the Quran and the Hadith regarding to Mushriks and Shirk because every Muslims should KNOW this. This authentic quote is enough for you (read below) and mention regarding to Jews; Abdullah Ibn Saba started the Shi'ite invention after the khalif was chosen by the Sahabas which the Shias hate then later, it separated into sects which is very clear and stated authentic and they are very similiar. I honestly don't know why you refute scholars, they are required to memorize the Quran, the Hadith and study the Aqeeda and the Ulema so watch what you say about them. Sometimes you can disagree with their political views but with Islam, nope.



http://www.youtube.com/user/RafidiTerminator/videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/LeftShia4good/videos



Yeah, Hasani I know Mukhtar, my mother used to tell me about him when I was a kid. I just couldn't see the tiny face in his avator. Thanks for that brother.

Bro, why are you wasting your time? I know about the Shia ideology from a while back. I know the differences between them and us and they aren't minor.

I know scholars who are educated and debated Shia scholars.

All I'm telling you is don't don't tell me all these Muslims are practicing Muslims. There are seculars in our Arabic world. We need to prevent such ideas.

 

[Falcon29]

You need to listen to this man:

 

[MooshMoosh]

You need to listen to this man:

Bro, why are you wasting your time? I know about the Shia ideology from a while back. I know the differences between them and us and they aren't minor.

I know scholars who are educated and debated Shia scholars.

All I'm telling you is don't don't tell me all these Muslims are practicing Muslims. There are seculars in our Arabic world. We need to prevent such ideas.

I know, it's because of the Western society had changed the Muslims and placing them in a position that is far from their religion and it was already known 1,400 years ago that we'll be weak and the rulers will be incapable of doing anything who will be handled by the disbelievers like the UN and US as Prophet Muhammad(saw) stated:

On the authority of Thawbaan , the Prophet said:

“The People will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their food.” Someone asked, “Will that be because of our small numbers at that time?” He replied, “No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be froth and scum like that carried down by a torrent (of water), and Allah will take the fear of you from the breasts (hearts) of your enemy and cast al-wahn into your hearts.” Someone asked, “O Messenger of Allah, what is al-wahn?” He replied, “Love of the world and dislike of death.” [An authentic hadith recorded by Abu Dawud and Ahmad]

What you said is already mentioned in the Hadith.

Narrated by Abu Umamah, the Prophet (saw) said: "If Islam were to be stripped away piece by piece...the first thing taken would be ruling and governance, the last thing would be prayer" - Sahih Ibn Tibban

"I fear the day when the disbelievers are proud of their falsehood and the Muslims are shy of their faith". [Umar ibn al-Khattab Allah be pleased with him]

"Whoever does not rule by what Allah has revealed, they are oppressors" - Surat Maidaq

Umar ibn Al-Khattab (RA) was asked: "O Umar, why don't you clothe the Kaaba with silk?" He said: "The stomachs of Muslims are a priority."

Sadly, there are Muslims who fell into a trap then giving their reason not to judge us which when the Sahabas was asked to fear Allah, they started to shed tears whereas today, if we were to ask then we would say it's an insult. Thus, reason we are weak.

Although, after the Arab Spring the Muslims started to woke up like in Syria for example, calling for an Islamic State and the majority had unveiled themselves to be practical calling for their inspiration. If this will come in reality (insha'Allah) then it would either spread tactically like Prophet Muhammad (saw) established Islamic state in Medina to the beginning of expansion or other Muslim countries would benefit have the same interest in their country because of the interest of economically, military and unity which is arguably the most powerful system than any other system and even far better than the "first world" Western countries by looking back in history, imagine the reality in the modern world? That's what we have heard from scholars rather than forcefully, seeking economical and politically in other Muslim countries would be interested and the main reason the West is not doing anything and the reason for forming the Arab League in the beginning is to prevent them from being united without circumstance to secure the so called state of Israel. This had been mentioned by many Muslims.

You see, this haven't been like this before, increasing numbers of scholars of the Ulemas (not $cholars) today is calling for the return of the Khilafah because of the extermination and difficulties we are facing at the moment including the Arabian peninsula biggest scholars Shaikh Nabi Awadi and Shaikh Arifi said they can feel this happening very soon by Allah(SWT) and declared the rulers as traitors which is rare in the Arabia because of the restriction freedom of speech. Just pray for this to happen. We pray for all of us to return to the Quran and the Suunah and follow the scholars because if we do, then we would know who would rule our territories (open borders).

The prophet hood will remain among as you for as long as Allah's will, then when Allah wills He will lift it...then there would be Khilafah Rashida (Rightly Guided) on the method of Prophethood, then when Allah's wills He will lift it...then there will be hereditary leadership which will remain for as long as Allah's wills, then when He Wills he will lift it...then there will be tyrannical rule - there will be TYRANNICAL rule - and will remain for as long as Allah's wills, when He wills he will lift it..." then he (Rasool Allah) said "then it will be a Khilafah on the method of Prophethood"

Beside from that and independently, Brunei is starting their ruling from start of next year. Malaysia and Indonesia is probably working on theirs too since those three countries are the only very few Muslim countries who are practical who prefer Islamic society than Western 'style'. Insha'Allah, hopefully Asian Muslim countries would be interested to see the progress in Brunei in the future to replaced theirs instead of having lawless and corrupted because nowadays, Muslims had been deceived and brainwashed by the Western pro-paganda, instead they should read the Islamic economical code or the reality and see what it is really like.

http://thediplomat.com/asean-beat/2...s-first-east-asian-state-to-adopt-sharia-law/

You're not the only one who think of the Muslim's weakness in the Western society, many of the Muslims do bro and they are mostly Arabs and East Africans who are doing this. I had suffered from this too

Now, back to the Shias. If you sympathize the Shias then you have no problem committing Shirk. If you sympathize the Shias then you have no problem have hatred against the Sahabas. If you know what Abu Bakr RA did to the followers of the wicked lady who claimed to be a prophet then you know what he will do today to the Shias. If you know what Muawiyah RA wanted to do to the Shias then you would know what he would do to the Shias today, had it not given orders from Ali RA then Shias would not exist today. If you know what Salah'din did to the Baatini Ismaa’ili Ubaydiyyah (Twelver sect) then you know what he will do to the entire Shias today. If the likes of Ibn Tamiyah and the followers of Ibn Tamiyah is released in prison in the Arabia or becoming the rulers of today then you know what he would do to the Shias. If you know the Shariah then you would know what it is an obligation and what's not. This is enough to open your mind, simple as that.

 

[Falcon29]

I know there is an attempt to make an Islamic state in Syria but there are horrendous divisions and lets be honest, they aren't the brightest of people trying to enforce it. I actually have a lot of problems with them. They don't have the right fikh and are self centered.

It won't happen with idiotic people. We need Ikhwan in Syria who can achieve good results with the people especially.

They need to raise the generation and be good willed towards people they consider wrong. This is my problem with Bin Laden and his likes.

They disagreed with their teacher Abdullah Azzam and he had it better. That's probably why he was killed. I have contempt for some of their leadership and members are general.

 

[EasyNow]

I feel so depressed after reading through this thread.

It is almost exclusively contributed by Muslims (i am one too) and the amount of hate from all directions, at every level - nationalist, sectarian, ideological and plain ridiculous is saddening.

The craziest of all is that some people here are saying that the Muslim world is getting too secularised. Just look at the religion-based hate on this thread to see how far we are from being secular.

@Hazzy997 you live in the US - a country that has allowed you (or your parents) in and provided you with every facility. You come from a country who is supposedly their enemy, who they are attempting to destroy. So you are the exact person that they should not let in - but they did. As the controller of evil throughout the world, isn't that a bit stupid of them? KSA is the original Muslim country, but they do not allow VISA's to certain nationalities because they know they will create trouble. Is the US too stupid to know the same? The truth is they knowingly choose to give you and me the benefit of the doubt. And you have used that trust to undermine and bash them for it - is that morally decent of you?

You could have escaped to a nearby Muslim country easily but your family chose to fly across oceans to settle in a far away secular (evil) country. I find it depressing that having experienced first hand how they treat you compared to our Muslim countries, you still do not understand the value of a secular democracy.
What would happen if every Muslim country became secular - would it stop you living a Salafi lifestyle, would it stop you praying, not smoking, not talking to girls? So what are you worried about. Just thank Allah every day that he has took you to a place where you can live and pray in peace and wish the same for all Muslims - be it in a secular country or not!

You are clearly not stupid, so one can only assume that you are being wilfully blind. Just repeating that the Salafi way is good and all other ways are bad over and over again will not make the reality go away that their system is fairer. Please try to be fair in your own heart.

PS. Please don't talk to me about US foreign policy - what country isn't looking for its own benefit? And yes there is racism and a class divide in the USA but that is a universal human problem - at least there you can sue someone for it.

 

[Syrian Lion]

when Syria took MILLIONS of refugees from all over the Arab world, Syrians didn't ask for money or any help, we opened our houses and cities, we didn't make the refugees live in tents and in the desert... and we didn't make any "threats" ... too bad "Arabs" are known of back stabbing....