Jordan says will ‘take measures’ if Syrian refugee crisis not resolved

[Doritos11]

Yeah, I know. They don't want to deal with the obstacles of supporting us. That's exactly what the US has been trying to put into place for decades now to establish this US-Israeli hegemony. It reflects the US policy which has nothing to do with freedom or a peace plan.

Unfortunately, many of you are becoming really scared in this way and afraid of conflict. Even though a conflict may very well win you freedom. The US therefore is threatening total war on countries that don't stand with them in the Middle East and it starts with sanctions.

Muslims need to stand up and free themselves from this new world order.[

You have to look at history.

During the times of pan Arabism many stood with Palestine, now it’s different, now only the "Islamic caliphate" types will still support Palestine but these people want to kill Shias before they get to Palestine which is a non ending war.

GCC has ties with USA and is friendly with Israel, no reason for them to go against worlds strongest powers, Arab brotherhood is dead.
https://twitter.com/IsraelintheGCC

Barely anyone from the Arab world is going to put Palestine in par/above the interests of his country & in these times of sectarianism with many Palestinians being anti Shia that doesn't pull support of Iraq Iran, it's just the Iranian regime using it for their own benefit. So who is left, the Islamists who are using terrorism in Syria, Egypt, Iraq.

 

[Falcon29]

You have to look at history.

During the times of pan Arabism many stood with Palestine, now it’s different, now only the "Islamic caliphate" types will still support Palestine but these people want to kill Shias before they get to Palestine which is a non ending war.

GCC has ties with USA and is friendly with Israel, no reason for them to go against worlds strongest powers, Arab brotherhood is dead.
https://twitter.com/IsraelintheGCC

Barely anyone from the Arab world is going to put Palestine in par/above the interests of his country & in these times of sectarianism with many Palestinians being anti Shia that doesn't pull support of Iraq Iran, it's just the Iranian regime using it for their own benefit. So who is left, the Islamists who are using terrorism in Syria, Egypt, Iraq.

Here we go again with this 'use you for their own benefit' line. I'm sure you say so about Iran's support to Hezbollah too?

Nothing was better during the times of pan Arabism in my opinion. I'm not a whole fan of this nationalistic stuff. I prefer Islamist. But, I think many Arabs are still pretty nationalist today.

If you're trying to say the 'good times' are over I disagree with you. I don't consider those the good times and they could have been successful if they wanted to but they limited their missions and often went back against their success. You should know how far in Iraq got until the Syrian commander ordered Syrian forces to fire on them and to halt operation.

I simply don't trust Arabs being Arabs. I trust Arab Muslims being Muslim.

You're too broad with what you say. Arabs still support palestine as people in general, not government wise. The world will change over time though.

 

[Doritos11]

Here we go again with this 'use you for their own benefit' line. I'm sure you say so about Iran's support to Hezbollah too?

That’s my opinion, even Saddam used it for his own sake, almost everyone is doing that look at the world.. some western people crying for Palestine I don’t even understand what makes them do so.

Nothing was better during the times of pan Arabism in my opinion. I'm not a whole fan of this nationalistic stuff

I agree.

But, I think many Arabs are still pretty nationalist today.

Yes for their country not the pan Arab world.

If you're trying to say the 'good times' are over I disagree with you. I don't consider those the good times and they could have been successful if they wanted to but they limited their missions and often went back against their success. You should know how far in Iraq got until the Syrian commander ordered Syrian forces to fire on them and to halt operation.

They didn’t always trust each other.

I simply don't trust Arabs being Arabs. I trust Arab Muslims being Muslim.

Which Muslim, Majoos, the daily Muslim ( secularists mostly ) or the Salafi that beheads everyone. Even Hamas which uses the Islamic banner is different then Nusrah/ISIS, so much divisions that I have no idea which Muslim you speak of.

 

[Falcon29]

That’s my opinion, even Saddam used it for his own sake, almost everyone is doing that look at the world.. some western people crying for Palestine I don’t even understand what makes them do so.


I agree.

Yes for their country not the pan Arab world.


They didn’t always trust each other.


Which Muslim, Majoos, the daily Muslim ( secularists mostly ) or the Salafi that beheads everyone. Even Hamas which uses the Islamic banner is different then Nusrah/ISIS, so much divisions that I have no idea which Muslim you speak of.

So that's your opinion for Hezbollah, too? The way you look at it, the whole world is confined to using each other.

I do agree with their country that's what I meant.

A trustworthy Muslim to me is one who is closest to the Sunnah of our Prophet(SAW). And also applies logic and reason to affairs. This means intellectual people as well. I'm not claiming you can't be an honest person if you aren't that close to the Sunnah of our Prophet(SAW). But, when it comes to crucial affairs and decisions, most 'Muslims' of the world today throw these things out of the window.

And I don't believe secularism has a place in Islam. It simply doesn't. The Prophet stressed what is an Islamic society and he was very clear about. Pray five times a day, meant that. No music, meant no music. No dancing, meant no dancing. And so on. These are not difficult things to follow, religion is easy but we humans make it complicated. Too many Arabs today and Muslims have their lives revolve around fun. Even some that pray five times a day and throw the rest of Islamic ideals out the window.

Don't accuse salafis of beheading people. There are many salafis elsewhere. Those that behead during times of war are mostly not salafi anyway. That being said, I too don't think salafis represent what I defined as a top of the line Muslim. Keep in mind, beheading is unacceptable to me. Back in ancient times it was what occurred during war because they had swords as weapons and today we have guns or hanging methods for executions.

There aren't divisions, it's too many people coming up with what fits their ideology they provide different interpretations on these things. 'Extremists' aren't extremists in the sense that they take things literally. It's that they take loopholes around things and often have a immature thought process, they aren't very intellectual. Hamas is the opposite of that. Anybody who moves away from the Sunnah of the Prophet(SAW) is wrong. And yes, I put God above everything so I do include Shia with them. That being said, I don't believe we should judge them like AQ does. I don't believe we have business with Shia elsewhere. This is a whole other discussion.

So my answer to you is Muslims are one under the Sunnah of the Prophet(SAW). We've always had divisions and those can be solved when we get enough real men back. And this doesn't mean uniting. This means we will have a sole authority based on what I said and we won't accept any ideas that differ or contradict the Sunnah of the Prophet(SAW).

And I don't confine this to Palestinians only. A lot of different Muslims have been knowledgable, including Saudi scholars, Persian scholars, afghani leaders, Pakistani leaders, Iraqi leaders, the man in my avatar. There's many. Even the three main imams the Shia revere. They were amongst the best who almost perfectly followed the Sunnah of the Prophet(SAW).

 

[Doritos11]

So that's your opinion for Hezbollah, too?

Hezbollah is 100% on their side, Iran is not using Hezbollah it’s their allie.

And I don't believe secularism has a place in Islam. It simply doesn't. The Prophet stressed what is an Islamic society and he was very clear about. Pray five times a day, meant that. No music, meant no music. No dancing, meant no dancing. And so on. These are not difficult things to follow, religion is easy but we humans make it complicated. Too many Arabs today and Muslims have their lives revolve around fun. Even some that pray five times a day and throw the rest of Islamic ideals out the window.

Then try living under it, it’s easy saying it from the west, go live with them and enjoy.

Don't accuse salafis of beheading people. There are many salafis elsewhere. Those that behead during times of war are mostly not salafi anyway. That being said, I too don't think salafis represent what I defined as a top of the line Muslim. Keep in mind, beheading is unacceptable to me. Back in ancient times it was what occurred during war because they had swords as weapons and today we have guns or hanging methods for executions.

The ideology that is responsible for worldwide terrorism, they force things on others but cry when others do it to them. hypocrites.

There aren't divisions, it's too many people coming up with what fits their ideology they provide different interpretations on these things. 'Extremists' aren't extremists in the sense that they take things literally. It's that they take loopholes around things and often have a immature thought process, they aren't very intellectual. Hamas is the opposite of that. Anybody who moves away from the Sunnah of the Prophet(SAW) is wrong. And yes, I put God above everything so I do include Shia with them. That being said, I don't believe we should judge them like AQ does. I don't believe we have business with Shia elsewhere. This is a whole other discussion.

So there are divisions .

So my answer to you is Muslims are one under the Sunnah of the Prophet(SAW). We've always had divisions and those can be solved when we get enough real men back. And this doesn't mean uniting. This means we will have a sole authority based on what I said and we won't accept any ideas that differ or contradict the Sunnah of the Prophet(SAW).

Ok, after 5 million people die maybe like it has always gone that way with caliphates.

And I don't confine this to Palestinians only. A lot of different Muslims have been knowledgable, including Saudi scholars, Persian scholars, afghani leaders, Pakistani leaders, Iraqi leaders, the man in my avatar. There's many. Even the three main imams the Shia revere. They were amongst the best who almost perfectly followed the Sunnah of the Prophet(SAW).

Don’t know them

 

[Cheetah786]

Shikwa

I just can't understand why the GCC don't share Syrian refugees responsibility with Jordan. The help has been offered was so little considering the huge numbers of refugees and the limited resources available as well as the harsh consequences on citizens. In my city, the streets are jammed, houses rents have been tripled, gov lift subsidy on most services and goods as it couldn't afford it with the existence of refugees. There is pressure on infrastructure and all other services including education and health care. Thousands of Jordanians can't find jobs or lost them as Syrians work for less salary and longer hours.

Jawab-e-Shikwa

BLACKEAGLE,Just a quick look at the strength balance between the FSA and "SAA" tells you about the winner and the popularity of each side. Ask yourself, how strong was the "SAA" and is it strong now?, and the same goes for the FSA. And who is really getting stronger and the one who is getting weaker?

I love black eagle his open and out right hypocrisy.

 

[Falcon29]

Hezbollah is 100% on their side, Iran is not using Hezbollah it’s their allie.


Then try living under it, it’s easy saying it from the west, go live with them and enjoy.


The ideology that is responsible for worldwide terrorism, they force things on others but cry when others do it to them. hypocrites.


So there are divisions .


Ok, after 5 million people die maybe like it has always gone that way with caliphates.


Don’t know them

What do you mean by being on their side? And Hezbollah is trying to get out of the conflict.

Which ideology are you speaking of?

Try living under what? I've been to Islamic countries and want to move eventually.

You think I'm like most people? I don't do things that are not Islamic. It's not that difficult even if I am living in the West. That includes everything, I don't smoke, although that has been allowed lately by scholars, but for instance teen drug use whatever it is or alcohol/beer consumption. I don't do that. I don't even talk to girls. Unless they are cousins or very close family friends and never by approaching them. Contact with opposite sex before marriage is crossing lines. I go to every Friday prayer. I pray 5 times and read Quran every week. Masturbation and pornography is also forbidden and is one of the major sins. And all this stuff is just very general to the average Muslim. These are like the pre conditions for Muslims. This isn't even starting about what other good we have to do. And leading one self with a good heart. Here or there we should be the same. Adhering to these commandments isn't what makes one a good person or one different from another. It's the willingness that God wants to see from us. And it largely depends on ones heart too. So we shouldn't treat things like statistics, I do this and that. Don't understand me that way, I'm just saying this is what needs to be abided by.

There are divisions based on selfish people, one people's are with the right.

 

[KingMamba]

lol

Tell the truth dude, don’t keep bullshitting him.
The case with you is that you know what the west will do if Jordan isn’t ruled by the US loyal monarchy like GCC and Morocco’s governments. Israel is too powerful to mess with therefor you can’t side against them. Staying on USA/Israel side is the safest for you & **** palestine in that case.

Palestinians however don’t care about this since they have nothing to lose.

This is 100% true in Jordan's case.

 

[Doritos11]

What do you mean by being on their side? And Hezbollah is trying to get out of the conflict.

Hezbollah and Iran have the same ideology unlike Hamas.

Which ideology are you speaking of?

Salafi terrorists.

Try living under what? I've been to Islamic countries and want to move eventually.

Salafi ( sharia ? ) law, ISIS law.

You think I'm like most people? I don't do things that are not Islamic. It's not that difficult even if I am living in the West. That includes everything, I don't smoke, although that has been allowed lately by scholars, but for instance teen drug use whatever it is or alcohol/beer consumption. I don't do that. I don't even talk to girls. Unless they are cousins or very close family friends and never by approaching them. Contact with opposite sex before marriage is crossing lines. I go to every Friday prayer. I pray 5 times and read Quran every week. Masturbation and pornography is also forbidden and is one of the major sins. And all this stuff is just very general to the average Muslim. These are like the pre conditions for Muslims

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Such rules aren’t a big problem for me but when forced by others for example the bearded pigs then you think it will be accepted by us ? no.

 

[Falcon29]

Hezbollah and Iran have the same ideology unlike Hamas.


Salafi terrorists.


Salafi ( sharia ? ) law, ISIS law.

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Such rules aren’t a big problem for me but when forced by others for example the bearded pigs then you think it will be accepted by us ? no.

You mean Shia ideology? We're not speaking of religion. Their political ideologies all seem similar.

Just say salafi ideology, salafi's have lots of people and militants are something else.

Salafi's don't make sharia law, most rebels in Syria the ones you dislike are not salafi. And most people today have an misunderstanding of sharia law and it won't work well for that reason. You don't need complete sharia law to have an Islamic society.

I've been to the Netherlands for one day and I can say the atmosphere there is worse than it is here. Are you originally from Iraq and studying there?

 

[Doritos11]

You mean Shia ideology? We're not speaking of religion. Their political ideologies all seem similar.


Just say salafi ideology, salafi's have lots of people and militants are something else.

I've been to the Netherlands for one day and I can say the atmosphere there is worse than it is here. Are you originally from Iraq and studying there?

Same political ideology as well.

Salafi's don't make sharia law, most rebels in Syria the ones you dislike are not salafi. And most people today have an misunderstanding of sharia law and it won't work well for that reason. You don't need complete sharia law to have an Islamic society.

Their vids ISIS and Nusra show Ibn Taymiyya quotes & salafi bs, they surely are closer to Salafism then any of us

I was born here, you probably been to Amsterdam center where all tourists go where the bad things happen, not the entire country is like that. The bad things part even happened in secular Arab states, still in Beirut.

 

[Falcon29]

Same political ideology as well.

Their vids ISIS and Nusra show Ibn Taymiyya quotes & salafi bs, they surely are closer to Salafism then any of us

I was born here, you probably been to Amsterdam center where all tourists go where the bad things happen, not the entire country is like that. The bad things part even happened in secular Arab states, still in Beirut.

They aren't salafi, but okay believe what you want....

Yeah you're most likely right. And what do you mean by the bad things part? And in Beirut?

 

[MooshMoosh]

What do you mean by being on their side? And Hezbollah is trying to get out of the conflict.

Which ideology are you speaking of?

Try living under what? I've been to Islamic countries and want to move eventually.

You think I'm like most people? I don't do things that are not Islamic. It's not that difficult even if I am living in the West. That includes everything, I don't smoke, although that has been allowed lately by scholars, but for instance teen drug use whatever it is or alcohol/beer consumption. I don't do that. I don't even talk to girls. Unless they are cousins or very close family friends and never by approaching them. Contact with opposite sex before marriage is crossing lines. I go to every Friday prayer. I pray 5 times and read Quran every week. Masturbation and pornography is also forbidden and is one of the major sins. And all this stuff is just very general to the average Muslim. These are like the pre conditions for Muslims. This isn't even starting about what other good we have to do. And leading one self with a good heart. Here or there we should be the same. Adhering to these commandments isn't what makes one a good person or one different from another. It's the willingness that God wants to see from us. And it largely depends on ones heart too. So we shouldn't treat things like statistics, I do this and that. Don't understand me that way, I'm just saying this is what needs to be abided by.

There are divisions based on selfish people, one people's are with the right.

Masha'Allah, very good but you need to distance away from what Shias believe, that should be one of your main concern because it seems like you're sympathizing them when you talk about religion with them. Instead, Dawah and challenge is the best way discussing with them if they want to talk about religion. There's tons on YT between Suuni and Shias, you can take points then discussing with one another so we can help the Shias leaving this mushrikeen.

BTW, I can't see your avatar properly, who is it?

 

[al-Hasani]

Masha'Allah, very good but you need to distance away from what Shias believe, that should be one of your main concern because it seems like you're sympathizing them when you talk about religion with them. Instead, Dawah and challenge is the best way discussing with them if they want to talk about religion. There's tons on YT between Suuni and Shias, you can take points then discussing with one another so we can help the Shias leaving this mushrikeen.

BTW, I can't see your avatar properly, who is it?

Exactly 7abibi.

It is one of the Arab and Libyan heroes of the last part of the early century. Omar al-Mukhtar. Famous Libyan resistance leader against the Italian colonialists. Ultimately he was hanged by them.

There is a pretty famous movie called "Lion of the Desert" that was based on him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_of_the_Desert

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Shikwa



Jawab-e-Shikwa



I love black eagle his open and out right hypocrisy.

I spent 1 minute to be able to understand your dumb point. However, the FSA is strong enough to only target your beloved terrorists while your heavily armed terrorists strong only with civilians, and that's why we have refugees. Two years ago, there was nothing called FSA, but nowadays they control many Syrian areas and inflicted unrecoverable damage to your terrorists thousands of tanks, APCs, and IFVs were destroyed, and hundreds of jets were destroyed and shot down, and tens of thousands of terrorists were sent straight to hell. That's why they're getting weaker and the FSA are getting stronger.