Jordan buys 60 German SPAAG surplus

[madmusti]

@Penguin

You know @that Time there Planes doens´t have Jet Engines.

Im talking against a WALL. I quit.

 

[Penguin]

The Heinkel He 176 was a German rocket-powered aircraft. It was the world’s first aircraft to be propelled solely by a liquid-fuelled rocket, making its first powered flight on 20 June 1939 with Erich Warsitz at the controls.

The Heinkel He 178 was the world's first aircraft to fly under turbojet power, and the first practical jet aircraft. It was a private venture by the German Heinkel company and first flew on 27 August 1939, piloted by Erich Warsitz.

The Heinkel He 280 was the first turbojet-powered fighter aircraft in the world. The first prototype was completed in the summer of 1940. Fritz Schäfer would take the second prototype into the air under its own power for the first time, on 30 March 1941.

After the successful test flights of the first jet of the world, the Heinkel He 178, the Germans adopted the jet engine for an advanced fighter aircraft. As a result, the Me 262 was already under development as Projekt 1065 (P.1065) before the start of World War II. Plans were first drawn up in April 1939, and the original design was very similar to the aircraft that eventually entered service. The V3 third prototype airframe, with the code PC+UC, became a true jet when it flew on 18 July 1942 in Leipheim near Günzburg, Germany, piloted by Fritz Wendel. This was almost nine months ahead of the British Gloster Meteor's first flight on 5 March 1943.

The Gloster Meteor was the first British jet fighter and the Allies' first operational jet aircraft. The Meteor's development was heavily reliant on its ground-breaking turbojet engines, developed by Sir Frank Whittle and his company, Power Jets Ltd. Development of the aircraft began in 1940, work on the engines had started in 1936. The Meteor first flew in 1943 and commenced operations on 27 July 1944

However, rather than the Meteor, the Gloster E.28/39, (also referred to as the "Gloster Whittle", "Gloster Pioneer", or "Gloster G.40") was the first British jet-engined aircraft to fly. It was designed to test the Whittle jet engine in flight, leading to the development of the Gloster Meteor. Although the initial flight tests were relatively early in the Second World War, the German Heinkel He 178 had been first test flown on 27 August 1939, at Rostock-Marienehe on the Baltic Coast, days before the outbreak of the war. The E.28/39 was delivered to Brockworth for ground tests beginning on 7 April 1941, using a non-flightworthy version of the Power Jets W.1 engine. On 15 May 1941, Gloster's Chief Test Pilot, Flight Lieutenant Gerry Sayer flew the aircraft under jet power for the first time.

The de Havilland DH.100 Vampire was a British jet fighter commissioned by the Royal Air Force during the Second World War. Following the Gloster Meteor, it was the second jet fighter to enter service with the RAF.Under Air Ministry specification E.6/41 for two prototypes, design work on the DH.100 began at the de Havilland works at Hatfield in mid-1942, two years after the Meteor. The de Havilland chief test pilot and son of the company's founder, test flew prototype Serial number LZ548/G on its maiden flight on 20 September 1943.

 

[madmusti]

@Penguin.


What kind of an idiot are you ? Only Germans Uses Jet Fighters and this in 1945 where the war comes to be an End.

Americans uses mostly in Europe P-47 Thunderbolt or England with his Spitfire.

Those are easy targets on low altitude for an Kingtiger with his Gun.


The mostly Jet´s of the Allies during WWII was only tested or Prototype.


Don´t talk here about something that you have read on Wikipedia ,look what Weapons or Tanks or Planes are used in War ,they call it a Wolrd War an not something different.

Do you think Germans are using there Planes agains them´s own Tanks ?

The Kingtiger was an Titan ,if you haven´t seen an really one ,then go and do that.

It´s not like a Leopard 2.

Do you know how accurate and reliable German Guns was ?

 

[Penguin]

I have a funny feeling you will tell me all about it, notwithstanding being half my age and - probably - education. More name calling, eh?

The Messerschmitt 262 was introduced in April of 1944

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On 19 April 1944, Erprobungskommando 262 was formed at Lechfeld just south of Augsburg, as a test unit (Jäger Erprobungskommando Thierfelder, commanded by Hauptmann Werner Thierfelder) to introduce the 262 into service and train a core of pilots to fly it. On 26 July 1944, Leutnant Alfred Schreiber with the 262 A-1a W.Nr. 130 017 damaged a Mosquito reconnaissance aircraft of No. 540 Squadron RAF PR Squadron, which was allegedly lost in a crash upon landing at an air base in Italy. Other sources state the aircraft was damaged during evasive manoeuvres and escaped.

It was the first victory for a turbojet fighter aircraft in aviation history

By January 1945, Jagdgeschwader 7 (JG 7) had been formed as a pure jet fighter wing, although it was several weeks before it was operational. In the meantime, a bomber unit—I Gruppe, Kampfgeschwader 54 (KG 54)—had re-equipped with the Me 262 A-2a fighter-bomber for use in a ground-attack role.

Jagdverband 44 (JV 44) was another Me 262 fighter unit, of Staffel (squadron) size given the low numbers of available personnel, formed in February 1945 by Lieutenant General Adolf Galland, who had recently been dismissed as Inspector of Fighters.

During March [1945], Me 262 fighter units were able, for the first time, to mount large scale attacks on Allied bomber formations.

Messerschmitt Me 262 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 12 January 1944, the first Meteor F.1, serial EE210/G, took to the air.
The first service deliveries to the RAF began in July 1944, to No. 616 Squadron RAF
The Meteor was initially used to counter the V-1 flying bomb threat.
616 Squadron Meteors saw action for the first time on 27 July 1944, when three aircraft were active over Kent.
These were the first operational jet combat missions for the Meteor and for the Royal Air Force.
No. 616 Squadron exchanged its F.1s for the first Meteor F.3s on 18 December 1944.

Judging the Meteor F.3s were ready for combat over Europe, the RAF finally decided to deploy them in the continent. On 20 January 1945, four Meteors were moved to Melsbroek in Belgium and attached to the Second Tactical Air Force. Their initial purpose was to provide air defence for the airfield, but their pilots hoped that their presence might provoke the Luftwaffe into sending Me 262s against them. At this point the Meteor pilots were still forbidden to fly over German-occupied territory, or to go east of Eindhoven, to prevent a downed aircraft being captured by the Germans or the Soviets.
In March [1945], the entire squadron was moved to Gilze-Rijen and then in April, to Nijmegen. The Meteors flew armed reconnaissance and ground attack operations without encountering any German jet fighters. By late April [1945], the squadron was based at Faßberg, Germany and suffered its first losses when two aircraft collided in poor visibility.

Gloster Meteor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
see also Gloster Meteor

FYI: Eindhoven, Glize-Rijen and Nijmegen are in ... the Netherlands.

Interestingly, good wiki pages are always loaded with references to original source materials, mostly verifiable books and article.

 

[Penguin]

The first five production King Tigers were issued to Panzer Lehr Division (Panzer Kompanie Funklenk 316), but were not used in combat. The first time the Tiger II saw action was in May 1944 near Minsk, followed by another action (of schwere Panzer Abteilung 501 commanded by Oberstleutnant von Legat) in July 1944 atSandomierz in Poland. Only two companies of schwere Panzer Abteilung 503 commanded by Hauptmann Fromme, equipped with Tiger II tanks (with Porsche turrets), were committed to the fighting in Normandy, where their mechanical problems and Allied fighter-bombers as well naval gunfire proved fatal and, by the end of August 1944, all were lost. Tiger II tanks of schwere Panzer Abteilung 506 commanded by Major Lange, saw combat during the "Market Garden" operation in Holland in September of 1944. King Tigers also took part in the Ardennes Offensive, serving with schwere SS Panzer Abteilung 501 (Kampfgruppe Peiper). On the Eastern Front, Tiger II tanks took part in the fighting in Hungary and in central Poland in 1944 and 1945. The Tiger II saw combat on both Western and Eastern Fronts, where it proved to be a superb weapon and worthy opponent when operated by an experienced crew and properly maintained. A small number of King Tigers also defended Berlin in April and May of 1945

Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger II Ausf. B Konigstiger / King(Royal)Tiger / Tiger II Sd. Kfz. 182

Finale at Arnhem, Holland 24/9/1944, by David Pentland.

The last Pz.Kpfw. VI Tiger II (Kingtigers) of 2nd Company 506th Heavy Tank Battalion, drive south across the Arnhem bridge to prepare for the upcoming counter-attack to retake Elst and the Nymegen road bridge.

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In early 1945 Dutch civilians look over the Tiger II destroyed in Oosterbeek [Netherlands] by Lieutenant Adrian Donaldson and Lance-Bombardier James (Jim) Dickson MM on the 25th September 1944.

© Defending Arnhem
I really don't know why I should have to discuss Tiger 2 with you... talk about topic-shifting.

 

[Penguin]

The Arado Ar 234 was the world's first operational jet-powered bomber. In autumn 1940, the Reich Air Ministry (German: Reichsluftfahrtministerium, abbreviated RLM) offered a tender for a jet-powered high-speed reconnaissance aircraft with a range of 2,156 km (1,340 mi). Arado was the only company to respond RLM liked the design and ordered two prototypes as the Ar 234. These were largely complete before the end of 1941, but the Jumo 004 engines were not ready, and would not be ready until February 1943. When they did arrive they were considered unreliable by Junkers for in-flight use and were only cleared for static and taxi tests. Flight-qualified engines were finally delivered that spring, and the Ar 234 V1 made its first flight on 15 June 1943 at Rheine Airfield. By September 1943, four prototypes were flying. The Ar 234 V7 prototype made history on 2 August 1944 as the first jet aircraft ever to fly a reconnaissance mission, flown by Erich Sommer.The ninth prototype, marked with Stammkennzeichen (radio code letters) PH+SQ, was the prototype Ar 234B, and flew on 10 March 1944. 20 B-0 pre-production aircraft were delivered by the end of June 1944. Overall from the summer of 1944 until the end of the war a total of 210 aircraft were built. Meanwhile, several of the Ar 234 prototypes - including a few of the surviving eight "trolley-and-skids" Ar 234A-series prototypes - were sent forward in the reconnaissance role. In most cases, it appears they were never even detected, cruising at about 740 km/h (460 mph) at over 9,100 m (29,900 ft), with the seventh prototype achieving the first-ever wartime reconnaissance mission over the United Kingdom by a Luftwaffe-used jet aircraft. It was the last Luftwaffe aircraft to fly over England during the war, in April 1945. In February 1945, production was switched to the C variant. It was hoped that by November 1945 production would reach 500 per month. The most notable use of the Ar 234 in the bomber role was the attempt to destroy the Ludendorff Bridge at Remagen in March 1945. Only one Ar 234 survives today.

Arado Ar 234 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Penguin]

Anyway, on 5 February 1943, Krupp was awarded the contract for the development of the 88 mm KwK 43 L/71, a new gun specifically designed to the successor of the Tiger I. The only similarity between this gun designed by Krupp and the Rheinmetall Flak 41 was that the same penetration values were achieved when the same shell was fired with the same initial muzzle velocity. All other characteristics of the two guns were different. Following the main specification to achieve equivalent armor penetration, Krupp completely redesigned the gun for mounting in a tank turret. As compared to the Flak 41 L/74, the KwK 43 L/71 was shorter with different rifling and had a muzzle brake to retard recoil. In addition it had shorter, fatter recoil cylinders to fit inside a turret, had an air blast system fitted to evacuate fumes from the gun directly after firing and chambered a shorter (but thicker) cartridge case for easier loading inside a turret.

PzKpfw VI TIGER II

The turret could be rotated 360 degrees in 60 seconds in low gear independent of engine rpm, in 19 seconds in high gear at idle engine speed, and within 10 seconds at the maximum allowable engine speed. The direction and speed of traverse was controlled by the gunner through pedals, or a control lever near his left arm

Tiger II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Max elevation 15 degrees.

Germany's Panzerkampfwagen VI Ausf B, Königstiger, SdKfz 182 heavy tank - World War II Vehicles, Tanks, and Airplanes

For modern day LEO2 turrect 360 traverse speed is about 12 seconds in observation mode, and 9 while in full stab. On the move. At any speed or gear...

WHich is a better tank to go gunning for aircraft with? Certainly not done by Tiger 2s.