John McCain meets Modi

[janon]

McCain is one of the smartest and most pragmatic politicians in America.

He is meeting with Modi, not because he (McCain) hates Muslims, but because he loves America and will do whatever is needed to help American interests.

Nobody meets with Modi for that reason.

 

[Developereo]

Nobody meets with Modi for that reason.

There are three types of people:
- those who love Modi for his hatred of Muslims.
- those who shun him for his hatred of Muslims.
- those who are indifferent and will deal with the devil, if need be, to further their interests.

Most of the world, including McCain, falls into the third category.

 

[janon]

There are three types of people:
- those who love Modi for his hatred of Muslims.
- those who shun him for his hatred of Muslims.
- those who are indifferent and will deal with the devil, if need be, to further their interests.

Most of the world, including McCain, falls into the third category.

And what about most Indian voters who voted for him, which category do they fall into?

I'll tell you - most of them belong to the category of people who don't think Modi hates muslims. You forgot to mention that category, which is what most of the world actually is. (Barring Pakistanis who want there to be a muslim hater in India.)

 

[sree45]

There are three types of people:
- those who love Modi for his hatred of Muslims.
- those who shun him for his hatred of Muslims.
- those who are indifferent and will deal with the devil, if need be, to further their interests.

Most of the world, including McCain, falls into the third category.

and what about Indian Muslims who voted for him?

 

[Developereo]

And what about most Indian voters who voted for him, which category do they fall into?

They fall into the third category.

Modi's past is with him, regardless of how much people may want to whitewash it.

and what about Indian Muslims who voted for him?

Third category. Any port in a storm.

 

[janon]

They fall into the third category.

Modi's past is with him, regardless of how much people may want to whitewash it.



Third category. Any port in a storm.

So are you denying that there is another category of people who do not believe that Modi hates muslims?

 

[Chronos]

So are you denying that there is another category of people who do not believe that Modi hates muslims?

I was wondering about the people who just were sick and tired of congress and wanted to get rid of them.

Developereo's statement does actually include a lot of voters.

But I thought Madhya Pradesh, Chattisgarh, Goa elected BJP because of the popular chief ministers there.

His generalist statement seems pretty reductive to me.

But I actually agree with him. I think a lot of leaders view Modi as a gatekeeper to a very large market. They may not like Modi, but they have to deal with him to hopefully access the large market of India.

Even if Modi in the next five years proves to be on of the best Prime Ministers India has ever had, he will still be seen as a divisive figure.

In that sense, he will be seen as a Thatcher-esque figure, but he will be tainted by allegedly his inability to stop the riot or even abetting them.

That is how pretty much all the western media portrayed his candidacy.

 

[Developereo]

So are you denying that there is another category of people who do not believe that Modi hates muslims?

That's still the third category: people who think the Muslim issue is irrelevant, either because Modi's feelings (good or bad) on the matter are irrelevant (i.e. it is a non-issue), or because Muslims are irrelevant.

 

[janon]

That's still the third category: people who think the Muslim issue is irrelevant, either because Modi's feelings (good or bad) on the matter are irrelevant (i.e. it is a non-issue), or because Muslims are irrelevant.

No, those are definitely not the same thing. Many people who voted for Modi would not have voted for him, if they were convinced that Modi hates Muslims or that he was responsible for or abetted the riots.

I am not denying your categories - yes, some people support Modi because they believe he hates muslims just as they do, but such people are a minority. And there are many people who think he hates Muslims, but still want a better govt than the previous oe, and are willing to overlook the presumed muslim hatred, or are apathetic. Such people do number more than the first category.

But it is my contention that the largest group of his supporters do not think he hates muslims, and if they did, then they wouldn't support him. I don't know how I can prove that, and unless you can disprove that, we'll just think of it as your word against mine. I feel tempted to start a poll here to ask Indians which category they fall into.

I can speak unequivocally for myself when I say that I would never support or vote for a politician who I believe hates a particular community. And that's a general point, not just about Modi or muslims. Even if I believed that that politician can make India a developed nation in five years and the richest country on earth, I still would not support him, if he will not treat everybody equally. Human rights and equality before law is much more fundamental to a nation than prosperity or business friendliness. And I'm pretty sure most people would agree with me on this.

Anyway, as far as this election goes, as @Ravi Nair said, the biggest reason for Modi's spectacular success was that people were sick of the previous govt.

 

[indiatester]

There are three types of people:
- those who love Modi for his hatred of Muslims.
- those who shun him for his hatred of Muslims.
- those who are indifferent and will deal with the devil, if need be, to further their interests.

Most of the world, including McCain, falls into the third category.

A lot of self centeredness here.
You can as well replace Muslims with any other category above.

If we pick this line of portrayal, we can use this for everybody.

 

[Developereo]

But it is my contention that the largest group of his supporters do not think he hates muslims, and if they did, then they wouldn't support him.

As you wrote, this is where we disagree.

It is my contention that the largest group of Indian voters don't believe his views on Muslims are important enough to affect their decision. The more conscientious ones will convince themselves that he really doesn't hate Muslims (perhaps taking solace in the court decisions), other will say "who carers?", and still others will just bite the bullet and dance with the devil.

All this talk about his economic performance is true but not relevant to my point above. If a KKK dragon turned out to have a stellar management record, he probably still wouldn't get elected to a major office.

A lot of self centeredness here.
You can as well replace Muslims with any other category above.

If we pick this line of portrayal, we can use this for everybody.

The topic here is Modi and McCain's comments about Modi. Both of those relate to the Gujarat massacres.

 

[notsuperstitious]

if McCain does not like stories, he should ignore those and comment only about facts. There is no need to give into the propaganda that has been discredited in courts, in post morten reports, support of Gujrati Muslims to Modi and most certainly in his track record for the last 12 years.

Let the forever victims keep singing their songs of self pity (only to be used for justifying terrorism).