Joe Biden: Why I’m Going to Saudi Arabia

[Corruptistan]

If you are referring to Saudi Arabia's inability to destroy Houthi movement, you may forget that Israel cannot destroy Hezbollah either. The war between Israel and Hezbollah has lasted for 40 years.

Saudi Arabia does not need the USA, and the USA needs Saudi Arabia.

KSA is 1.5 times the size of Iran with half of the country being mountainous and the other half dominated by desert, steppe and difficult terrain with huge geographical distances to trespass for any invading force. No regional country is capable of invading Saudi Arabia. To think otherwise, just demonstrates how clueless one is. I am not even going to mention the Saudi Arabian military firepower let alone that of the GCC, the Arab League and other regional allies + world powers. Or the religious impact of any invasion of KSA, with KSA being being the qibla of almost 2 billion Muslims. KSA is literally one of the last countries on earth that should fear a military invasion. Historically that has also been the case with every power that have attempted an invasion of Arabia, failing or abandoning their quest due to difficulties.

With an estimated value of US$31.00 trillion, Saudi Arabia has the second most valuable natural resource reserves in the world.[15]​

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090516/10-countries-most-natural-resources.asp​

Economy of Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia

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The Qibla for almost 2 billion Muslims.

Trillions in mineral wealth.

Enormous political and economic clout in the Muslim world.

Helping keep the petrodollar system alive.

Strategic location in terms of world trade, bordering 3 of the 5 most strategic water ways.

This video below is hilarious.

Whatever way you look at it, KSA won that post-Khashoggi media/propaganda campaign.

Biden needs oil for lower price in winter and upcoming election while MBS needs Biden to guarantee his throne as the next king ... first step to remove the crown prince "Nayef" was done under Trump administration now he wanna take next step ... There was no need for such a visit If it wasn't for Russia Ukraine war.
And there is no apologize in politic but countries' interests that make them move towards each other especially a country like Saudi Arabia that its entire political system and military is depended on England and the USA that usually prefer to work with dictators rather than people ...

Is this some kind of joke?

The US has no influence on who rules KSA. They never had. To use the Iranian experience (Shah) and apply it to KSA makes no sense. If what you say was correct, Nayef would be the crown prince today and not sitting in house arrest or whatever is the status with him currently. MBS would long ago have been removed after the Khashoggi incident. The House of Saud have been around before the US even existed as a country. This is the post of someone who has no idea about the inner dynamics of KSA.

They literally have UAE , Jordon, Egypt to protect thier intrests, pakistan can help out too

Thier security needs are exaddurated

Actually it is the KSA that is protecting/helping protect small UAE and Jordan (in comparison to KSA) and not the other way around. As I wrote, KSA is one of the last countries on earth that should fear a foreign invasion. It makes absolutely no sense. Iran is incapable of invading KSA (lol) and similarly the other way around.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1546609652443611138

It is funny to see the zeal in which key Israeli officials swarm over anything KSA-related.

Just confirms what a huge price it would be for Israel if KSA recognized them. Such a thing should be used to the fullest by KSA if ever relevant in the nearby future.

Watch this telling video below.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1546977709191876609

Do yourself the home work. Iran and Saudi Arabia would go to war tomorrow if there is no US. Russia would attack Europe if no Nato. Chinese would attack Far East if no US. North Korea would invade South Korea if no US.
One thing is worthless propaganda the other thing is harsh reality.

Nonsense.

Russia would not attack Europe as Russia is not strong enough to attack/conquer/engage in a all-out war with all of Europe. This is Western/US propaganda that is used in order to sell expensive US weapons to NATO member states in Europe.

Similarly KSA and Iran will never go to war against each other (all-out war) because neither side would win such a war. For a state to start a war with another state, it usually entails that such state (the aggressor) has the upper hand militarily, economically, politically and in terms of resources.

Very rarely do you see conflicts between states that have an equal strength.

China have no reason to attack any sovereign nations in East Asia aside from rightly regaining Taiwan which is Chinese territory.

As for South and North Korea, this is actually one of the best examples of an outside manufactured conflict between two identical peoples. It is actually quite sad and pathetic to think about, I imagine that Korean nationalists absolutely despise the status quo.

 

[The SC]

 

[Hydration]

It is funny to see the zeal in which key Israeli officials swarm over anything KSA-related.

Just confirms what a huge price it would be for Israel if KSA recognized them. Such a thing should be used to the fullest by KSA if ever relevant in the nearby future.

Watch this telling video below.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1546977709191876609

Middle east Eye is an MB related channel based in London their claims are often more proffessionally made up compared to other channels and defacto'd with enough digging

 

[Corruptistan]

The whole media campaign has begun of "integrating" Israel into the region.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1547204849447600128

https://twitter.com/x/status/1547215059662749696

What can we expect "officially on paper" and what can we expect to occur behind the "curtain"?

Anyway I think that something "big" is about to occur either way.

Middle east Eye is an MB related channel based in London their claims are often more proffessionally made up compared to other channels and defacto'd with enough digging

I have noticed that as well. I think that Middle East Eye is a dubious news source as well. I think that it is backed by Qatar but once KSA/GCC and Qatar returned to their brotherly relations, they stopped posting propaganda.

Middle East Eye - Wikipedia

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Actually it is impossible to find any non-biased media nowadays, they are always pursuing someones agenda.

In general the Middle East has a lot of dedicated propaganda media, similar problem in Pakistan.

He wants to abuse arab kids.

Let us hope not.

 

[Muhammed45]

Do yourself the home work. Iran and Saudi Arabia would go to war tomorrow if there is no US. Russia would attack Europe if no Nato. Chinese would attack Far East if no US. North Korea would invade South Korea if no US.
One thing is worthless propaganda the other thing is harsh reality.

All these un-solve-able differences between countries you mentioned in your post is because of American presence and doing American bidding by the opposite side of independent countries in your post.

Saudis have been loyal to USA until just recently, when they saw Americans wouldn't do more than lip service in case they get engaged with Iran.

There is no reason to attack Arabian peninsula from Iranian POV. There are differences but not a reason for war. If Arab nations had their revolution then we could have burned Israel to the ground.

Is this some kind of joke?

The US has no influence on who rules KSA. They never had. To use the Iranian experience (Shah) and apply it to KSA makes no sense. If what you say was correct, Nayef would be the crown prince today and not sitting in house arrest or whatever is the status with him currently. MBS would long ago have been removed after the Khashoggi incident. The House of Saud have been around before the US even existed as a country. This is the post of someone who has no idea about the inner dynamics of KSA.

House of Saud is a British plantation, like Israel is. When the power was tranferred to USA, the leadership changed and USA became the leading power of this 2 regimes.

 

[Corruptistan]

All these un-solve-able differences between countries you mentioned in your post is because of American presence and doing American bidding by the opposite side of independent countries in your post.

Saudis have been loyal to USA until just recently, when they saw Americans wouldn't do more than lip service in case they get engaged with Iran.

There is no reason to attack Arabian peninsula from Iranian POV. There are differences but not a reason for war. If Arab nations had their revolution then we could have burned Israel to the ground.


House of Saud is a British plantation, like Israel is. When the power was tranferred to USA, the leadership changed and USA became the leading power of this 2 regimes.

Iran cannot win any conflict/war against Arabs. Where was Iran when Arab states were at war with Israel? Nowhere to be seen and having great ties with the same Israel. Now it is the turn of Arabs to use diplomacy instead of war. Moreover Israel is going nowhere, one must be realistic. They are nuclear armed and have the full backing of the US, Russia and even China. I can also fantasize about India disappearing tomorrow or all of Kashmir being controlled by Pakistan but it is not going to happen anytime soon if ever. It is easy to blame Arabs for all of your ills.

House of Saud is a British plantation, like Israel is. When the power was tranferred to USA, the leadership changed and USA became the leading power of this 2 regimes.

This is an outright historical lie. The House of Saud have ruled areas of modern-day KSA (and large parts of other Arabian countries from Jordan and Iraq in the north to Oman and Yemen in the south) continuously for the past 300 years long before any British involvement in the region.

KSA was never a Western colony or protectorate either. The unification of KSA occurred organically and involved the entire country.

House of Saud - Wikipedia

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Unification of Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia

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You Iranians need to give it a rest and stop obsessing about the internal affairs of Arab countries. It is not up to you to decide who should rule Saudi Arabia or any other Arab country in the region. This amounts to Arabs telling you who should be ruling your country. Stop meddling in war-torn and unstable Arab countries (Yemen, Lebanon, Iraq and Syria) and instead work with people on the ground (all of them) and regional Arab countries, and there would be no conflicts between Arabs and Iranians. Maybe, just maybe, the US would have no regional presence if not for the mistakes or policies of previous Iranian leaders (Shah) or Iranian policy since 1979. Just a thought.

 

[Muhammed45]

Iran cannot win any conflict/war against Arabs.

Don't make claims tgat you cannot prove. That's a comment from an stupid mob. Iran Iraq war, is a pure example for you to know who we are. When from Europeans such as Germany, Netherland, Italy, France to Soviets and USA provided Iraqi army with the best technologies to Persian Gulf Sheiks who provided Iraq with oil dollars and Egyptian who revived Iraqi airforce with their donated fighter aircrafts and when Iran was left alone with no backing for its mostly western military hardware, Iran managed to repel the invasion. If it wasn't for chemical weapons provided by Europeans and Americans, Iran was in Baghdad years ago.

Where was Iran when Arab states were at war with Israel?

Most of Arabs never fought against Israel. Such as Saudi Arabia

It was only Palestinians, people of Jordan not its British planted kingship, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and a few one of others.

Don't leave stupid baseless claims. And where was Iran? Shah of Iran, the western oriented kingship of Pahlavis supoorted Israel with free oil.

Now it is the turn of Arabs to use diplomacy instead of war. Moreover Israel is going nowhere, one must be realistic. They are nuclear armed and have the full backing of the US, Russia and even China. I can also fantasize about India disappearing tomorrow or all of Kashmir being controlled by Pakistan but it is not going to happen anytime soon if ever. It is easy to blame Arabs for all of your ills.

Stop putting words in my mouth. Which Arab did i blame for our own failures? Arab kingships the western planted regimes are a total failure on their own.

Israel is going down the toilet of history, you are deaf and blind for ignoring this very fact. Many people also claimed that apartheid regime of SA was too strong and it was there to stay. You are overestimating Israelis.

India is an ancient civilization not a bastard of British kingdom like Israel, it is true that they have insulted prophet of Islam but i don't let the hatred blind me. We would be satisfied with India if they return autonomy of Kashmir.

KSA was never a Western colony or protectorate either. The unification of KSA occurred organically and involved the entire country.

There was also an invasion of house of Saud on Mekka and Madina. Did you forget that?

You Iranians need to give it a rest and stop obsessing about the internal affairs of Arab countries.

Our issue is Israel and the behind the scene alliance between Arab kingships and Zionists led by USA.
If Arabs try to stand in our way, we will crush them for sure. ISIS, Qaeda, Tahrir, Ahrar etc, are examples of Arabs who tried to fight against us with Israeli and western oriented regimes' support.

It is not up to you to decide who should rule Saudi Arabia or any other Arab country in the region. This amounts to Arabs telling you who should be ruling your country. Stop meddling in war-torn and unstable Arab countries (Yemen, Lebanon, Iraq and Syria) and instead work with people on the ground (all of them) and regional Arab countries, and there would be no conflicts between Arabs and Iranians. Maybe, just maybe, the US would have no regional presence if not for the mistakes or policies of previous Iranian leaders (Shah) or Iranian policy since 1979. Just a thought.

Don't be fool, we will have our own team, our own brethren amongst Azeris, Turks, Arabs, Kurds, Persians, Tajiks, etc. The ones who are enemies of Israel are our brothers in arms.

 

[Corruptistan]

Don't make claims tgat you cannot prove. That's a comment from an stupid mob. Iran Iraq war, is a pure example for you to know who we are. When from Europeans such as Germany, Netherland, Italy, France to Soviets and USA provided Iraqi army with the best technologies to Persian Gulf Sheiks who provided Iraq with oil dollars and Egyptian who revived Iraqi airforce with their donated fighter aircrafts and when Iran was left alone with no backing for its mostly western military hardware, Iran managed to repel the invasion. If it wasn't for chemical weapons provided by Europeans and Americans, Iran was in Baghdad years ago.


Most of Arabs never fought against Israel. Such as Saudi Arabia

It was only Palestinians, people of Jordan not its British planted kingship, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and a few one of others.

Don't leave stupid baseless claims. And where was Iran? Shah of Iran, the western oriented kingship of Pahlavis supoorted Israel with free oil.



Stop putting words in my mouth. Which Arab did i blame for our own failures? Arab kingships the western planted regimes are a total failure on their own.

Israel is going down the toilet of history, you are deaf and blind for ignoring this very fact. Many people also claimed that apartheid regime of SA was too strong and it was there to stay. You are overestimating Israelis.

India is an ancient civilization not a bastard of British kingdom like Israel, it is true that they have insulted prophet of Islam but i don't let the hatred blind me. We would be satisfied with India if they return autonomy of Kashmir.


There was also an invasion of house of Saud on Mekka and Madina. Did you forget that?


Our issue is Israel and the behind the scene alliance between Arab kingships and Zionists led by USA.
If Arabs try to stand in our way, we will crush them for sure. ISIS, Qaeda, Tahrir, Ahrar etc, are examples of Arabs who tried to fight against us with Israeli and western oriented regimes' support.


Don't be fool, we will have our own team, our own brethren amongst Azeris, Turks, Arabs, Kurds, Persians, Tajiks, etc. The ones who are enemies of Israel are our brothers in arms.

Iraq is 1 Arab country out of over 20 Arab countries. It is a country 3.5 times smaller than Iran and with a 2 times smaller population (back then). Iran had a state of the art (for the region) air force and army (due to Shah's close relationship to the US and Iran being the biggest importer of US weapons in the region). Iraq was always in a disadvantage with Kurds rebelling in the north and Shia Arabs in the south (some), yet the Iraq-Iran war was a stalemate with Iraq inflicting far more harm on Iran than the other way around. By 1988 Iraq was on the offensive as well.

And here you are claiming that Iran can defeat all Arabs? Is this some kind of deluded joke or what is going on here?

Have you looked at a map of the world before?

The conventional firepower of KSA alone is greater than that of Iran let alone just the GCC alone which if one country would have a top 5 if not a top 3 air force in the world.

Wrong again. KSA was involved in the first Arab-Israeli war in 1948 and until 1973.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War

Six-Day War - Wikipedia

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Yom Kippur War - Wikipedia

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In the 1970's there was the oil embargo led by Saud Arabia that destroyed Western economies.

1973 oil crisis - Wikipedia

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Obviously direct neighbors of Israel ruled by Arab nationalists took most of the brunt (Egypt in particular) but that is all well-known.

That is exactly my point, Iran was supporting Israel back then.

They have far better living standards, better economies, a higher HDI, better infrastructure, less crime, less corruption etc. than Iran. So yes, if they are a failure, what is Iran in comparison? Ask yourself why millions of people from across the world live and work in the GCC while only poor Afghan refugees (Hazaras) out of outsiders live in Iran in big numbers?

Apartheid did not have nuclear weapons. Apartheid was not supported by the US as Israel is. Or Russia (Russian Jews dominate Russian business, politics, oligarchs) or China. Jews basically run some of the most influential sectors of the US. The comparison with SA is ridiculous.



India an ancient civilization? What are you talking about? What you call "Indian civilization" is basically Pakistani/Sindhi (IVC) civilization. Even the name India is stolen from us (Pakistan) and more precisely the mighty Indus River which lies almost fully in Pakistan.

Sindhu is the Sanskrit word for the Indus River which gave rise (later) to the word of India.

India is currently ruled by a fascist Hindu mob that is exploiting Indian Muslims (killing them as well) so it is not just about Kashmir. The problem is much bigger than just Kashmir but thank you for confirming that most Muslims don't care about this.

How can you invade your own country, land and peoples? The House of Saud are local Arabians.

Sure, in the real world Iran cannot do anything about some Arabs countries accepting Israel or not. You cannot do anything. Neither against Egypt, nor Jordan, nor Morocco nor UAE. Rest is empty talk.

As for all those groups, Arabs defeated those groups more precisely Syrians and Iraqis.

What has your last comment to do with what you quoted (my comment)? I repeat once again, Iran has no say in who rules who in Arab countries and who Arabs have ties with. It is very simple. Stop the opportunistic meddling (only in unstable Arab countries ironically) and once that stops nothing stops Arabs and Iranians from having close ties.

Anyway we are off-topic and this discussion has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, so I am ending it here.

 

[Muhammed45]

Iraq is 1 Arab country out of over 20 Arab countries. It is a country 3.5 times smaller than Iran and with a 2 times smaller population (back then). Iran had a state of the art (for the region) air force and army (due to Shah's close relationship to the US and Iran being the biggest importer of US weapons in the region). Iraq was always in a disadvantage with Kurds rebelling in the north and Shia Arabs in the south (some), yet the Iraq-Iran war was a stalemate with Iraq inflicting far more harm on Iran than the other way around. By 1988 Iraq was on the offensive as well.

And here you are claiming that Iran can defeat all Arabs? Is this some kind of deluded joke or what is going on here?

Have you looked at a map of the world before?

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The conventional firepower of KSA alone is greater than that of Iran let alone just the GCC alone which if one country would have a top 5 if not a top 3 air force in the world.

Wrong again. KSA was involved in the first Arab-Israeli war in 1948 and until 1973.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War

Six-Day War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yom Kippur War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the 1970's there was the oil embargo led by Saud Arabia that destroyed Western economies.

1973 oil crisis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Obviously direct neighbors of Israel ruled by Arab nationalists took most of the brunt (Egypt in particular) but that is all well-known.

That is exactly my point, Iran was supporting Israel back then.

They have far better living standards, better economies, a higher HDI, better infrastructure, less crime, less corruption etc. than Iran. So yes, if they are a failure, what is Iran in comparison? Ask yourself why millions of people from across the world live and work in the GCC while only poor Afghan refugees (Hazaras) out of outsiders live in Iran in big numbers?

Apartheid did not have nuclear weapons. Apartheid was not supported by the US as Israel is. Or Russia (Russian Jews dominate Russian business, politics, oligarchs) or China. Jews basically run some of the most influential sectors of the US. The comparison with SA is ridiculous.



India an ancient civilization? What are you talking about? What you call "Indian civilization" is basically Pakistani/Sindhi (IVC) civilization. Even the name India is stolen from us (Pakistan) and more precisely the mighty Indus River which lies almost fully in Pakistan.

Sindhu is the Sanskrit word for the Indus River which gave rise (later) to the word of India.

India is currently ruled by a fascist Hindu mob that is exploiting Indian Muslims (killing them as well) so it is not just about Kashmir. The problem is much bigger than just Kashmir but thank you for confirming that most Muslims don't care about this.

How can you invade your own country, land and peoples? The House of Saud are local Arabians.

Sure, in the real world Iran cannot do anything about some Arabs countries accepting Israel or not. You cannot do anything. Neither against Egypt, nor Jordan, nor Morocco nor UAE. Rest is empty talk.

As for all those groups, Arabs defeated those groups more precisely Syrians and Iraqis.

What has your last comment to do with what you quoted (my comment)? I repeat once again, Iran has no say in who rules who in Arab countries and who Arabs have ties with. It is very simple. Stop the opportunistic meddling (only in unstable Arab countries ironically) and once that stops nothing stops Arabs and Iranians from having close ties.

Anyway we are off-topic and this discussion has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, so I am ending it here.

Hey buddy, one question. Are you a cock sucker of Arab kingdoms? Don't get offended, because your are pretending as if i said we are going to fight people of Arab countries.

 

[The SC]

Fatah spokesman, Munther al-Hayek: "We welcome the visit of the American president to the lands of the State of Palestine, and we demand that words be translated into actions, that promises to stop settlements be implemented and that Israel be obligated to a two-state solution."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1547195169837121539

 

[Corruptistan]

Hey buddy, one question. Are you a cock sucker of Arab kingdoms? Don't get offended, because your are pretending as if i said we are going to fight people of Arab countries.

A very mature comment to my post. Thanks for showing us all your perverted sexual fantasies. Not interested.

I am pro-Arab and pro-KSA. Like most Pakistanis and Muslims across the world in fact. Any particular problems with this?

 

[Muhammed45]

A very mature comment to my post. Thanks for showing us all your perverted sexual fantasies. Not interested.

I am pro-Arab and pro-KSA. Like most Pakistanis and Muslims across the world in fact. Any particular problems with this?

You are a pro king not pro Islam.

And btw, you are what i said. That's why you leave these comments on behalf of someones else.

No problems with that all.

 

[Corruptistan]

You are a pro king not pro Islam.

And btw, you are what i said. That's why you leave these comments on behalf of someones else.

No problems with that all.

You seem to live in a very simplistic world, I get that. Rulers don't equal entire countries and peoples, maybe you will realize this one day. As for the House of Saud they have been a great and loyal friend of Pakistan ever since Pakistan emerged in 1947. No ally has stood with us for this long since the very beginning. There have been ups and downs like with any relationships but it has always stood the test of time. In particular when we were at our weakest and most vulnerable (after our nuclear tests) KSA showed their worth. We cannot say the same thing about certain other countries.

Watch this video and read the comments of my countrymen;

The same House of Saud is hosting the largest Pakistani diaspora in the world that helps send 30 billions USD in remittances on an annual basis. Basically helping bankroll our pathetic ruling establishment while feeding millions of my countrymen.
So yes, I have no need to hate them just because Iranian Mullah's in Iran have a problem with them.

However I don't worship them, I don't consider them as holy cows or religious figure, merely as rulers of a friendly country (KSA) that we have deep religious, historical, cultural, linguistic and people to people relations with. Makkah, Madinah and Hejaz is more dear to most Pakistanis than any other territory outside of Pakistan.

Unfortunately some of my countrymen worship your leaders as if they were God's. This is a particular problem that has no equal in Pakistan with any Arab rulers, so you "win" that round.

Continue the Arab obsession, as if that will change anything on the ground. I am sure that Arabs reading your posts will want to join hands with you in anything.

Fatah spokesman, Munther al-Hayek: "We welcome the visit of the American president to the lands of the State of Palestine, and we demand that words be translated into actions, that promises to stop settlements be implemented and that Israel be obligated to a two-state solution."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1547195169837121539

Empty talk from the US. They are the sole country that has the actual power to force Israel into accepting a two-state solution but they won't do that as the entire US establishment is heavily controlled by pro-Israeli groups.

 

[Muhammed45]

You seem to live in a very simplistic world, I get that. Rulers don't equal entire countries and peoples, maybe you will realize this one day. As for the House of Saud they have been a great and loyal friend of Pakistan ever since Pakistan emerged in 1947. No ally has stood with us for this long since the very beginning. There have been ups and downs like with any relationships but it has always stood the test of time. In particular when we were at our weakest and most vulnerable (after our nuclear tests) KSA showed their worth. We cannot say the same thing about certain other countries

Whatever your imagination of me.

Pakistani-Saudi relationship is what i have been analyzing for years, in my pov, regional co-op is not bad at all if it doesn't create dependence. Same about Iran Pakistani one.

Sauds helped Pakistani elite acquire nuclear weapons, it is true and it is the very reaaon why Pakistan was sanctioned and impoverished by the world powers. They didn't do it out of goodwill, they did it in the hope of receiving nuclear warheads from Pakistan without angering the western powers. Do love people of Arabian peninsula, it is the best thing that i could hear from someone but the greedy kingdoms who sold out Quds?

Nuclear warheads stopped Pakistan, it caused Pakistan lose Kashmir. We have no NUKEs but despite that we can arm all the anti Israeli factions of Arabs such as Hezbollah. Can you yell me why?

You talk about that remittance. It is a shame to see that Pakistan despite having 200 million workforce has to count on remittance from outside, it is an insult to every Pakistani to work for an other country rather than their own. This mentality of being a lackey is not adviced by our religion. You should keep your independence and ashamed of being lackey to someone else even if a Muslim. In fact Sauds abused you and you didn't noticed that.

I don't have any Arab obsession at all, the only thing that differentiates us is Israeli factor. And you know that well, you showed your true face among the previous comments, let us recognize Israel was what i understood from your comments. That leaves @Khan2727 a traitor in our minds.

 

[Corruptistan]

Whatever your imagination of me.

Pakistani-Saudi relationship is what i have been analyzing for years, in my pov, regional co-op is not bad at all if it doesn't create dependence. Same about Iran Pakistani one.

Sauds helped Pakistani elite acquire nuclear weapons, it is true and it is the very reaaon why Pakistan was sanctioned and impoverished by the world powers. They didn't do it out of goodwill, they did it in the hope of receiving nuclear warheads from Pakistan without angering the western powers. Do love people of Arabian peninsula, it is the best thing that i could hear from someone but the greedy kingdoms who sold out Quds?

Nuclear warheads stopped Pakistan, it caused Pakistan lose Kashmir. We have no NUKEs but despite that we can arm all the anti Israeli factions of Arabs such as Hezbollah. Can you yell me why?

You talk about that remittance. It is a shame to see that Pakistan despite having 200 million workforce has to count on remittance from outside, it is an insult to every Pakistani to work for an other country rather than their own. This mentality of being a lackey is not adviced by our religion. You should keep your independence and ashamed of being lackey to someone else even if a Muslim. In fact Sauds abused you and you didn't noticed that.

I don't have any Arab obsession at all, the only thing that differentiates us is Israeli factor. And you know that well, you showed your true face among the previous comments, let us recognize Israel was what i understood from your comments. That leaves @Khan2727 a traitor in our minds.

Saudi Arabia never needed Pakistan economically or military. They have had far more powerful allies than us and continue to have to this day. They could have dumped us for India from the beginning until today, yet that never happened. As I wrote, they have been one of our most trusted allies throughout our existence if not the most trusted. This alone deserves some kind of respect and recognition.

As for remittances, the shame is not that Saudi Arabia is opening its arms for us (when they have the entire world to chose from), the shame is the economic condition of Pakistan which is not the fault of any outsiders but that of our own corrupt useless political parties and establishment which is a "made in Pakistan" product.

You clearly have no idea, I used to live in Saudi Arabia and grow up there as a child and nothing could be further from the true. Pakistanis are highly respected and vice versa. You can ask many other Pakistani users here who either have lived in KSA or live there. There are many active ones.

Saudi Arabiasn and Arabs in general, in particular Arabians, are some of the most well-coming and hospitable people on the planet. They are very well known for this characteristic. There are some bad apples (chauvinists) but they exists among all people (inside Pakistan and Iran as well) and are always a tiny but vocal minority.

@_NOBODY_

When I read some of your posts, whenever Arabs are discussed, I only see hatred and insults. So what do you expect any outsiders to say?

I am a realistic person who does not like to live in delusion. Currently Israel has only grown stronger by each year. They have been around for almost 75 years now. Nothing points to them disappearing. Pakistan won't recognize Israel anytime soon because that would cause widespread unrest in Pakistan by our mobs even if such a relationship could help Pakistan militarily, economically in terms of agriculture etc. I am not pro-Israel nor in favor of normalization without a two-state solution but when I look at all the Muslim countries that recognized Israel, I see only benefits from this for those countries.

Iran had close relations with Israel for 30 years until 1979. Did Iran end? It is thanks to this that you had an air force (the best in the region at the time) that helped you protect yourself from Iraq.

Geopolitics is a complex thing. Religion is mostly used as influence only in geopolitics, but no state acts purely based on religious principle.

In fact, why is Iran supporting Christian anti-Muslim Armenia against one of the few other majority-Shia countries on the planet in Azerbaijan? Yet you have a problem with Arab leaders that you share most things with? You see this constant inconsistencies among Muslim leaders, makes it hard to take anyone seriously from a purely religious aspect. Religion and nation states are two different things.

Anyway, I have to go, and I hope that Arabs and Iranians one day can put aside their silly differences for the sake of the region and also for the sake of internal politics within Pakistan. Such a reaprochment would only benefit Pakistan.