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So the reformists want Iran to declare an end to its space force and forbid any future missile capability that might extend beyond 2000km. In the old days they would execute traitors with such a mindset.

به نظر میاد جمهوری اسلامی به پایان راه رسیده (محاصره اقتصادی، سیاسی و نظامی شده و نمی دونه چگونه باید این حصر رو بشکنه) و از این پس برای ادامه زندگی خودش باید امتیاز بده. اینها هم که برای موندن خودشون هر کاری می کنند
امروز یکی از اصولگراها هم حرف از برجام موشکی زده. بعد می گن اقتدار، اقتدار... یک مشت آدم ساده هم باور می کنند​
 
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به نظر میاد جمهوری اسلامی به پایان راه رسیده (محاصره اقتصادی، سیاسی و نظامی شده و نمی دونه چگونه باید این حصر رو بشکنه) و از این پس برای ادامه زندگی خودش باید امتیاز بده. اینها هم که برای موندن خودشون هر کاری می کنند
امروز یکی از اصولگراها هم حرف از برجام موشکی زده. بعد می گن اقتدار، اقتدار... یک مشت آدم ساده هم باور می کنند​
You don't need to look hard to know this is going to happen, I mean just look at the babbling clowns on this forum who think Iran is playing 6D chess with the enemy and there's a master plan at work and they are a bunch of geopolitical masterminds who can go out there break things down for us without getting emotional using pure logic while we are a bunch of irrational emotional idiots, According to these guys Iran got itself into a corner because she wanted to, Iran signing jcpoa the enemy is Iran playing 6D chess, And so will be the jcpoa v2, the jcpoa v3, .....
I mean these guys are literally the Iranian version of trump supporters, They need to shove this treason down our throats somehow.
 
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Iran already got benefits from the JCPOA. 100s of billions of dollars of frozen Iranian funds were freed up into government hands.

the JCPOA is not perfect. nor is it anything resembling a grand bargain. but it was a solid first step. 2 sides that wouldnt even be seen in a room together, worked out a deal that removed the biggest propaganda chip out of zionist hands (nuclear Iran means the end of earth for their propaganda machines).

it also removed the sanctions responsible for over 90% of Iranian economic misery.t also removed security council sanctions on Iranian weapons impports. Iran gave up almost nothing in return. a small heavy water reactor was disabled, and temporary limits were set. Uranium enrichment was always the biggest nuclear dispute that the west would never yeild on, and they eventually did. Iran kept all its official nuclear breakout threshold intact.

This deal was in Irans favor. As sanctions was never about limiting Iranian nuclear program, but limiting IRAns geopolitical rise, and possibly even to break IRan. they cant handle a sanctions tied Iran, they know they will get eaten alive by a Iran that can trade and grow its economy to boot. thats why you saw how infuriated the sauds and zionists were, and how determined they were to kill the deal.

And to say that the west was going to use the deal to infiltrate into Iran is laughable. Iran has gone to extreme steps to shield itself from the cancer of western regime change engines.

power is strategically concentrated into hardline dominated offices like the supreme leader, guardian council, SNSC and of course the revolutionary guards.

actual western puppets and spies dont last long in Irans revolutionary system.

Looks like the Iranians are divided in this issue. I partially agree with what you say like what we gave up was not huge.

I do not think Iran got 100 billion though and it was more like 30-40.
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که ایران نیاز به ازمایش موشک قاره پیما و افزایش شدید فعالیت هسته ای داره تا اونها رو روی میز واگذار کنه و جامعه امریکا رو بشه راضی کرد که معامله با ایران خوب بوده
یک قرارداد موثر همیشه میمونه
پس بگذارین دستاوردی هم داشته باشن وقتی ما به ۲۵۰۰ کیلومتر و ماهواره بر محدود میکنیم خودمون رو

اساتیدی که میگن اراک سالی سه چهار تا بمب اتم میداد فراموش نکنن برای ایران ابهام قدرت میاره
نه بتونن تعداد و قدرت بمبهاتو رو بشمارن
مگه مینشستن شما سالی سه چهار تا بمب بسازی ساده دل
 
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به نظر میاد جمهوری اسلامی به پایان راه رسیده (محاصره اقتصادی، سیاسی و نظامی شده و نمی دونه چگونه باید این حصر رو بشکنه) و از این پس برای ادامه زندگی خودش باید امتیاز بده. اینها هم که برای موندن خودشون هر کاری می کنند
امروز یکی از اصولگراها هم حرف از برجام موشکی زده. بعد می گن اقتدار، اقتدار... یک مشت آدم ساده هم باور می کنند​

A few principlists always supported the JCPOA and backed Rohani on this issue. Namely, so-called pragmatic principlists, a prominent example of which would be former Majles speaker and veteran politician Ali Larijani. However, they were and are a minority within the principlist camp. There are also a few reformists / moderates (or at least supporters of these currents) who have issues with Rohani's foreign policy. So the principlist who talked of a JCPOA on missiles isn't representative of his political camp.

Also in the long term the west is not interested in letting the Islamic Republic remain in power. It seeks regime change (whether brought about from within or from without, through force or through progressive reforms). This fact isn't lost upon Iranian policymakers. While the enemy might spare "Green Card"-holding liberals in case of a downfall of the system, the revolutionaries know plain well that they'd meet a similar fate as Gaddafi and Saddam. In addition to their beliefs and ideological convictions, this is another reason why it would make no sense for them to acquiesce to the kind of concessions that could threaten Iran's security.
 
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Regime change should be America's only policy when it comes to Iran. You can't negotiate with crazed Mullas. Iran is state sponsor of terror #1
 
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even the khobregan is infiltrated, there are several members that heavily sympathize with Zarif&Rouhani
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The next supreme leader will be nowhere near Khomeini&Khamenei.

I don't think there ever was a time when all members of the Assembly of Experts hailed from a single political current... As far as I'm aware there were always at least a few liberal- or moderate-leaning ones in the Assembly.

But the majority are loyal to the principles of the Revolution, including right now. The last election had a favorable outcome for revolutionaries. Therefore the Assembly will likely choose someone in line with his predecessors. The person most talked about as potentially the next Supreme Leader, Ebrahim Raisi, has staunchly anti-imperialist views and is definitely no liberal.

Liberals would need to come up with some elaborate ruse to prevent this from happening, but inshAllah their chances are and will be slim.
 
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On Iran, Biden Can Bide His Time
The new administration should not be stampeded into returning to the nuclear deal.


President-elect Joe Biden has made it clear that his preferred method for dealing with Iran is to find a way back to the nuclear deal the Obama administration concluded in 2015, while bargaining for an extension to some of its key provisions.

“If Iran returns to strict compliance,” Biden wrote in a September op-ed for CNN, “the United States would rejoin the agreement as a starting point for follow-on negotiations.”

The Iranian regime, for its part, has made it clear that, in reaction to last month’s assassination of its nuclear scientist Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, it intends to ramp up its production of enriched uranium while threatening to expel international inspectors by early February if the United States doesn’t immediately lift sanctions.

The regime has also ruled out any extensions to the nuclear deal, from which President Trump withdrew in 2018. “It will never be renegotiated,” says Foreign Minister Javad Zarif. “Period.”

There’s a way out of this impasse. The Biden administration should — and, more important, can — bide its time.

Tehran is desperate to have sanctions lifted. In 2016, after the nuclear deal had taken effect, it exported roughly 2.1 million barrels of crude oil a day. In 2020, after the Trump administration imposed sanctions, it exported less than a quarter of that. The inflation rate is running somewhere between 42 and 99 percent. Protests a year ago, triggered by a rise in fuel prices, led to massive street demonstrations calling for an end to the regime.


The regime’s response to its economic and political crises has been to up the stakes. It wagers that it can provoke a nuclear crisis and then stampede the new administration into giving up its immense economic leverage even before meaningful negotiations begin. Once the main sanctions are lifted, Tehran can concede things it never had a right to withdraw, such as U.N. access to its nuclear facilities under the terms of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, while haggling for things it shouldn’t be allowed to get, such as the lifting of sanctions on an Iranian airline that supports the regime’s proxies.

But Tehran’s escalation is also a bluff. There’s a limit to how far it can go in provoking a nuclear crisis with the United States without risking a confrontation with an enemy that is much closer to home.

In the last six months, explosions in Iran have destroyed large parts of a centrifuge manufacturing facility in Natanz, a secretive military installation at Parchin, a power plant in Isfahan, a missile facility in Khojir and an underground military installation in Tehran, among other places. Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah, Al Qaeda’s second-highest leader, was gunned down in August in the streets of Tehran. As for Fakhrizadeh, he was not the first Iranian nuclear scientist to meet a violent end, and probably won’t be the last.


Nobody has taken responsibility for these attacks, but nobody is in much doubt about their source, either. They reveal an astonishing degree of penetration of the Iranian security complex. If Tehran tries to race toward nuclear breakout, it knows it will encounter a determined and effective challenge. There’s a limit to how far the regime can go with its provocations before those provocations become dangerous to the regime itself.

In short, Tehran’s negotiating position is weak and its options for escalation are limited. (Even its apparent attack last year on Saudi Arabia’s oil installations, while technically impressive, did little permanent damage to the kingdom while accelerating the recent Arab-Israeli rapprochement.) If disputed rumors of the 81-year-old Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s ill health prove true, the country would experience its first transfer of real authority since 1989, another tumultuous event for an already unpopular regime.

Contrast this with the Biden administration, which will come into office holding four powerful cards — assuming it chooses to play them. First, it can credibly outsource effective deterrence to Israel without having to bear the immediate risks. Second, it can leverage the military, economic, intelligence and diplomatic resources of an increasingly united Israeli-Arab front. Third, it doesn’t have to impose new sanctions to cripple Iran’s economy. It merely has to enforce the ones already in place.

Finally, there is growing evidence that Iran has long been in breach of its past commitments by hiding hundreds of tons of nuclear equipment and material that should have been disclosed under the terms of the nuclear deal. The Biden administration and its European partners have a right and responsibility to insist that Tehran provide a full accounting of that material as the entry price of negotiations.

There is a road toward a credible and durable deal with Iran that can muster the kind of regional support and bipartisan buy-in the last one lacked. It’s a deal that forces the regime to choose between a nuclear program or a functioning economy, rather than getting both. A Biden administration that has the patience to see through Tehran’s bluster can be rewarded with a lasting diplomatic achievement that a future administration, unlike the last one, will not easily erase.

 
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On Iran, Biden Can Bide His Time
The new administration should not be stampeded into returning to the nuclear deal.


President-elect Joe Biden has made it clear that his preferred method for dealing with Iran is to find a way back to the nuclear deal the Obama administration concluded in 2015, while bargaining for an extension to some of its key provisions.

“If Iran returns to strict compliance,” Biden wrote in a September op-ed for CNN, “the United States would rejoin the agreement as a starting point for follow-on negotiations.”

The Iranian regime, for its part, has made it clear that, in reaction to last month’s assassination of its nuclear scientist Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, it intends to ramp up its production of enriched uranium while threatening to expel international inspectors by early February if the United States doesn’t immediately lift sanctions.

The regime has also ruled out any extensions to the nuclear deal, from which President Trump withdrew in 2018. “It will never be renegotiated,” says Foreign Minister Javad Zarif. “Period.”

There’s a way out of this impasse. The Biden administration should — and, more important, can — bide its time.

Tehran is desperate to have sanctions lifted. In 2016, after the nuclear deal had taken effect, it exported roughly 2.1 million barrels of crude oil a day. In 2020, after the Trump administration imposed sanctions, it exported less than a quarter of that. The inflation rate is running somewhere between 42 and 99 percent. Protests a year ago, triggered by a rise in fuel prices, led to massive street demonstrations calling for an end to the regime.


The regime’s response to its economic and political crises has been to up the stakes. It wagers that it can provoke a nuclear crisis and then stampede the new administration into giving up its immense economic leverage even before meaningful negotiations begin. Once the main sanctions are lifted, Tehran can concede things it never had a right to withdraw, such as U.N. access to its nuclear facilities under the terms of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, while haggling for things it shouldn’t be allowed to get, such as the lifting of sanctions on an Iranian airline that supports the regime’s proxies.

But Tehran’s escalation is also a bluff. There’s a limit to how far it can go in provoking a nuclear crisis with the United States without risking a confrontation with an enemy that is much closer to home.

In the last six months, explosions in Iran have destroyed large parts of a centrifuge manufacturing facility in Natanz, a secretive military installation at Parchin, a power plant in Isfahan, a missile facility in Khojir and an underground military installation in Tehran, among other places. Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah, Al Qaeda’s second-highest leader, was gunned down in August in the streets of Tehran. As for Fakhrizadeh, he was not the first Iranian nuclear scientist to meet a violent end, and probably won’t be the last.


Nobody has taken responsibility for these attacks, but nobody is in much doubt about their source, either. They reveal an astonishing degree of penetration of the Iranian security complex. If Tehran tries to race toward nuclear breakout, it knows it will encounter a determined and effective challenge. There’s a limit to how far the regime can go with its provocations before those provocations become dangerous to the regime itself.

In short, Tehran’s negotiating position is weak and its options for escalation are limited. (Even its apparent attack last year on Saudi Arabia’s oil installations, while technically impressive, did little permanent damage to the kingdom while accelerating the recent Arab-Israeli rapprochement.) If disputed rumors of the 81-year-old Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s ill health prove true, the country would experience its first transfer of real authority since 1989, another tumultuous event for an already unpopular regime.

Contrast this with the Biden administration, which will come into office holding four powerful cards — assuming it chooses to play them. First, it can credibly outsource effective deterrence to Israel without having to bear the immediate risks. Second, it can leverage the military, economic, intelligence and diplomatic resources of an increasingly united Israeli-Arab front. Third, it doesn’t have to impose new sanctions to cripple Iran’s economy. It merely has to enforce the ones already in place.

Finally, there is growing evidence that Iran has long been in breach of its past commitments by hiding hundreds of tons of nuclear equipment and material that should have been disclosed under the terms of the nuclear deal. The Biden administration and its European partners have a right and responsibility to insist that Tehran provide a full accounting of that material as the entry price of negotiations.

There is a road toward a credible and durable deal with Iran that can muster the kind of regional support and bipartisan buy-in the last one lacked. It’s a deal that forces the regime to choose between a nuclear program or a functioning economy, rather than getting both. A Biden administration that has the patience to see through Tehran’s bluster can be rewarded with a lasting diplomatic achievement that a future administration, unlike the last one, will not easily erase.


This article depends on an assumption:
“Tehran is desperate to have sanctions lifted.”

Worst case for Tehran would be a deal with China to give them the energy infrastructures that they need. That is the Chinese weakness, reliability on oil and energy.

In reality, who wants a deal more? Khamenei or Biden?
Rest assured Khamenei is OK not having a deal ever.
 
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On Iran, Biden Can Bide His Time
The new administration should not be stampeded into returning to the nuclear deal.


President-elect Joe Biden has made it clear that his preferred method for dealing with Iran is to find a way back to the nuclear deal the Obama administration concluded in 2015, while bargaining for an extension to some of its key provisions.

“If Iran returns to strict compliance,” Biden wrote in a September op-ed for CNN, “the United States would rejoin the agreement as a starting point for follow-on negotiations.”

The Iranian regime, for its part, has made it clear that, in reaction to last month’s assassination of its nuclear scientist Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, it intends to ramp up its production of enriched uranium while threatening to expel international inspectors by early February if the United States doesn’t immediately lift sanctions.

The regime has also ruled out any extensions to the nuclear deal, from which President Trump withdrew in 2018. “It will never be renegotiated,” says Foreign Minister Javad Zarif. “Period.”

There’s a way out of this impasse. The Biden administration should — and, more important, can — bide its time.

Tehran is desperate to have sanctions lifted. In 2016, after the nuclear deal had taken effect, it exported roughly 2.1 million barrels of crude oil a day. In 2020, after the Trump administration imposed sanctions, it exported less than a quarter of that. The inflation rate is running somewhere between 42 and 99 percent. Protests a year ago, triggered by a rise in fuel prices, led to massive street demonstrations calling for an end to the regime.


The regime’s response to its economic and political crises has been to up the stakes. It wagers that it can provoke a nuclear crisis and then stampede the new administration into giving up its immense economic leverage even before meaningful negotiations begin. Once the main sanctions are lifted, Tehran can concede things it never had a right to withdraw, such as U.N. access to its nuclear facilities under the terms of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, while haggling for things it shouldn’t be allowed to get, such as the lifting of sanctions on an Iranian airline that supports the regime’s proxies.

But Tehran’s escalation is also a bluff. There’s a limit to how far it can go in provoking a nuclear crisis with the United States without risking a confrontation with an enemy that is much closer to home.

In the last six months, explosions in Iran have destroyed large parts of a centrifuge manufacturing facility in Natanz, a secretive military installation at Parchin, a power plant in Isfahan, a missile facility in Khojir and an underground military installation in Tehran, among other places. Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah, Al Qaeda’s second-highest leader, was gunned down in August in the streets of Tehran. As for Fakhrizadeh, he was not the first Iranian nuclear scientist to meet a violent end, and probably won’t be the last.


Nobody has taken responsibility for these attacks, but nobody is in much doubt about their source, either. They reveal an astonishing degree of penetration of the Iranian security complex. If Tehran tries to race toward nuclear breakout, it knows it will encounter a determined and effective challenge. There’s a limit to how far the regime can go with its provocations before those provocations become dangerous to the regime itself.

In short, Tehran’s negotiating position is weak and its options for escalation are limited. (Even its apparent attack last year on Saudi Arabia’s oil installations, while technically impressive, did little permanent damage to the kingdom while accelerating the recent Arab-Israeli rapprochement.) If disputed rumors of the 81-year-old Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s ill health prove true, the country would experience its first transfer of real authority since 1989, another tumultuous event for an already unpopular regime.

Contrast this with the Biden administration, which will come into office holding four powerful cards — assuming it chooses to play them. First, it can credibly outsource effective deterrence to Israel without having to bear the immediate risks. Second, it can leverage the military, economic, intelligence and diplomatic resources of an increasingly united Israeli-Arab front. Third, it doesn’t have to impose new sanctions to cripple Iran’s economy. It merely has to enforce the ones already in place.

Finally, there is growing evidence that Iran has long been in breach of its past commitments by hiding hundreds of tons of nuclear equipment and material that should have been disclosed under the terms of the nuclear deal. The Biden administration and its European partners have a right and responsibility to insist that Tehran provide a full accounting of that material as the entry price of negotiations.

There is a road toward a credible and durable deal with Iran that can muster the kind of regional support and bipartisan buy-in the last one lacked. It’s a deal that forces the regime to choose between a nuclear program or a functioning economy, rather than getting both. A Biden administration that has the patience to see through Tehran’s bluster can be rewarded with a lasting diplomatic achievement that a future administration, unlike the last one, will not easily erase.

Let Americans have their wet dreams.

As I said in another thread and I copy :

No negotiating JCPOA.... either come in ...pay damages and carry on ..or Fu*k off....Iran has been around for 7000 year and will be around past JCPOA.
 
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Let Americans have their wet dreams.

As I said in another thread and I copy :

No negotiating JCPOA.... either come in ...pay damages and carry on ..or Fu*k off....Iran has been around for 7000 year and will be around past JCPOA.

It should start with paying damages. It shows good faith.
 
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It should start with paying damages. It shows good faith.
The problem is tho,what guarantees can be given to ensure that yet another change of regime in the us four years from now wont simply lead to a repeat of the actions of the chump regime?.Oh and by guarantees I obviously mean real ones,not simply the same old "trust us" bullsh!t.
This was always one of the most glaring weak points in the jcpoa and indeed it was this very factor that lead to the failure and ultimately the collapse of the jcpoas direct predecessor the agreed framework deal that was done with the dprk.
 
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The problem is tho,what guarantees can be given to ensure that yet another change of regime in the us four years from now wont simply lead to a repeat of the actions of the chump regime?.Oh and by guarantees I obviously mean real ones,not simply the same old "trust us" bullsh!t.
This was always one of the most glaring weak points in the jcpoa and indeed it was this very factor that lead to the failure and ultimately the collapse of the jcpoas direct predecessor the agreed framework deal that was done with the dprk.

There is no guarantee. We have to expect it will happen. It was expected last time as well. This is why I think it was worth to do it:

The deal is tactical by both sides. However , a tactical deal may lead to a strategic deal over time. Is there any guarantee? No.

That is why both sides are holding their guard. We have to expect a deal failure.
 
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USA return to the deal pose another threat .
What if usa only want to return to it to be able to use snapback mechanism ?

That is why it should start with pay back.
It shows good faith.

EU can do it on their behalf but it will only complicate a future deal.

Five months left from Rouhani and 1 month from Trump. A lot can change the course of events and good chance of vengeance at some point.
 
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Looks like the Iranians are divided in this issue. I partially agree with what you say like what we gave up was not huge.

I do not think Iran got 100 billion though and it was more like 30-40.
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من این رو اضافه میکنم
که ایران نیاز به ازمایش موشک قاره پیما و افزایش شدید فعالیت هسته ای داره تا اونها رو روی میز واگذار کنه و جامعه امریکا رو بشه راضی کرد که معامله با ایران خوب بوده
یک قرارداد موثر همیشه میمونه
پس بگذارین دستاوردی هم داشته باشن وقتی ما به ۲۵۰۰ کیلومتر و ماهواره بر محدود میکنیم خودمون رو

اساتیدی که میگن اراک سالی سه چهار تا بمب اتم میداد فراموش نکنن برای ایران ابهام قدرت میاره
نه بتونن تعداد و قدرت بمبهاتو رو بشمارن
مگه مینشستن شما سالی سه چهار تا بمب بسازی ساده دل

شانی جان این حرف شما همون تئوری که تا زمانی که جمهوری اسلامی حد خودش رو بدونه و از کنترل خارج نشه (توانایی بازدارندگی و تقابل هسته ای نداشته باشه)، آمریکا و اروپا کاری به کارش ندارن رو تقویت می کنه

من جز اون دسته از افرادی هستم که معتقد هستم شرایط کنونی به نفع آمریکا و اروپا و سیستم جمهوری اسلامی هست

هسته اصلی سیستم در کشور و کسانی که بهش وصل هستند دارن میلیارد میلیارد پول مردم رو غارت می کنند، در بهترین کاخ های لوکس با بهترین امکانات زندگی می کنند و به راحتی همه جا خانوادشون سفر می کنند (حتی خودشون هم مطمئن هستم با شخصیت های جعلی سفر می کنند) و در خارج سرمایه گذاری می کنند، چرا باید ناراضی باشن؟ مگه فشار تحریم تا به امروز ذره ای به این افراد وارد شده؟

از اون ور آمریکا و اروپا و اعراب و چین و روسیه و ترکیه دارن از سیاست تحریم و محدودسازی ایران سود کلان می برند. چرا باید بیان تو یک جنگ ترسناک و بسیار بسیار بسیار گران رژیم ایران رو تغییر بدن هنگامی که همین الان هم دارن سود خودشون رو بدون هزینه جنگ و خونریزی می برند؟

با شرایط کنونی، یا مردم شورش می کنند و خواسته غرب بدون یک گلوله محقق می شه، یا اینکه همین شرایط ادامه پیدا می کنه و دو طرف هم راضی به همین شرایط که به ضرر ایران هست ادامه می دن. چیزی که از سال 2003 و حتی پیش از اون شاهدش بودیم و هستیم​
 
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