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Jinnah's Pakistan - Then and Now

The biggest problem was the Jinnah never solved was giving a clear message on what Pakistan was made for in the first place. While hints can be taken from his speeches and written manuscripts, the language he used was way to vague and can be taken in many different ways. Another mistake he made was no to leave any proper heir in charge, that infact laid the roots for the weak political culture that Pakistan suffers from. Another mistake that he made was not concentrating from national reforms right after independence, he spent way to much of his left over time in solving domestic issues which frankly could have been taken care of later. While Jinaah was a very popular leader and had the ability to captivate the masses, he lacked in execution and democratic and strategic vision which has unfortunately resulted in a country that lacks a proper path to follow. A country that still cannot decide on why it was created in the first place.
 
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A country that still cannot decide on why it was created in the first place.

Pakistan was created as a sanctuary of religious freedom -- not just for Muslims, but for all religions. The white strip in our flag symbolizes that. Just because some people have forgotten that doesn't change the original vision.
 
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I think the conversation has gone beyond the contesting and claiming of Jinnah -- Please review the articles It seems that Jinnah, while important, is not what the reinvigorated conversation is going to use as a anchor-- further in YLH's most recent article above, terms and definitions have been offered -- and I think YLH has made a rather persuasive case.

We said earlier that it seems to us that both these opposing camps, secular Pakistan and Islamist Pakistan are increasingly polarized, and while the secular camp has not resorted to political violence, unlike the Islamist camp, a way out of this may well be to revisit the constitution.
 
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“I am not a ‘moulvi” nor do I claim to be an expert in theology. However, I have tried, at my own, to understand Quran and the Islamic laws. In the teachings of this great book there is guidance for each and every aspect of human life, may be it is spiritual, social, political or economical all have been covered by it”

(Address at the Usmania University, Hyderabad, India-1941). “People criticize me alleging that I am not well acquainted with Islam. I. have studied Quran thoroughly and many a time. And when I declared that Islamic system would be established in Pakistan, It was not a mere slogan” (Tolu-e Islam-February,1959).

“You have requested me for giving you a message .What message can I give? For guidance and light, we all are blessed with Quran’s loftiest message” (Frontier Muslim Students Conference—April, 1943).

During struggle for Pakistan when Muslims were facing great hardships and victimization at the hands of Hindus and their allies ,Quaid comforted them saying that ultimate success would be theirs if they only sought guidance from the Quran:–“ At present, a battle is going on between the Muslims and the Hindus in the political arena. People ask me as to who is going to be the winner? Only God knows about it. However, as a Muslim I can assure that if we treat the Holy Quran as our final and absolute guide and persevere not forgetting at the same time God’s command that all Muslims are brothers to one another, no earthly power or even their combine, can defeat us” ( Address at a meeting in Hyderabad ,Deccan—July,1946). “ We have been the victim of a deeply laid and well-planned conspiracy…..We thank Providence for giving us courage and faith to fight these forces of evil. If we take our inspiration and guidance from the Holy Quran, the final victory, I once again say, will be ours.”(Speech at a rally at the University Stadium,Lahore-October,1947).

According to the great Quaid, Holy Quran is the “sheet anchor of Islam and fundamental code of life for Muslims “What is it that keeps the Muslims united, and what is bedrock and sheet anchor of the community. It is Islam. It is the great book Quran that is the sheet anchor of Muslim India.” (Speech at ALL India Muslim League Session, Karachi-26-12-1943). “Every Musalman knows that the injunctions of the Quran, are not confined to religious and moral duties. From the Atlantic to the Ganges, Quran is acknowledged as the fundamental code, not only of theology, but of civil and criminal jurisprudence, and the laws which regulate the actions of mankind are governed by the immutable sanctions of the Will of God. Everyone except those who are ignorant knows that Quran is the general code of Muslims. A religious, social, civil, commercial, military, judicial criminal penal code, it regulates everything…. .And our Prophet has enjoined on us, that every Musalman should possess a copy of the Quran and be his own priest. Therefore, Islam is not merely confined to the spiritual tenets and doctrines or rituals and ceremonies. It is a complete code regulating the whole Muslim society, every department of life, collectively and individually.” ( Eid Message to the Nation—September,1945).

Elaborating the role of the Quran and the Islamic State, the Quaid, in his address to the students of the Usmania University, Deccan in August, 1941, said,” In Islam ultimate obedience belongs to God alone.The only way to follow His guidance is through the Holy Quran. Islam does not preach obedience to a king, parliament, person or any institution. The Islamic Government means rule of the Quran. And how can you establish the rule of Quran without an independent state? In this state, legislation will take place within the boundaries drawn by the Quran”.

This scribe has yet to come across a better description of the role and function of the Quran and an Islamic State than the one given above by the great Quaid.
 
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Pakistan was created as a sanctuary of religious freedom -- not just for Muslims, but for all religions. The white strip in our flag symbolizes that. Just because some people have forgotten that doesn't change the original vision.

well thats not the message I get from every Pakistani, some say its only for muslims, some say its a Islamic democracy, some say its a Democracy with some Islamic principles and some say its secular. The original vision was unclear as well, which has lead to this confusion.
 
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well thats not the message I get from every Pakistani, some say its only for muslims, some say its a Islamic democracy, some say its a Democracy with some Islamic principles and some say its secular. The original vision was unclear as well, which has lead to this confusion.

Result of decades of failure of the Pakistani public education system.
 
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failure to do what? failure to explain and inculcate which idea?

That Pakistan is a sanctuary of religious freedom and, while its formation was triggered by concern for the safety of Muslims in India, the same concern and rights apply to all its citizens.

Pakistan should have been a modern blend of cultures reflecting our full heritage. An experiment to demonstrate that it is possible to balance the democratic wishes of the Muslims to live in a society reflecting their Islamic heritage with the minority rights guarantees and protections to match any secular Western democracy.

That is why our flag is green and white -- to reflect the importance both of Islam and non-Muslims.
 
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Islam is the only solution for Pakistan and the world it will be very soon implemented
 
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failure to do what? failure to explain and inculcate which idea?

Failure to give Pakistan a path to follow, Jinnah did not think about Pakistan in a long term and strategic manner and left way to many loose ends which were grabbed by the military shortly after his death. While he was alive he should have focused more on giving a strong vision for Pakistan rather than leaving notes and speeches which are till today not clear and interpreted different by everyone. Even on this forum there is so much debate on what Jinnah meant and wanted for Pakistan. While some of his short term goals were clear, his long term vision was almost non-existent in regards to Pakistan's social and political structure. This was amplified by the fact that he did not leave a clear successor after him as well nor did he work on building any kind of leadership in the party except him and maybe Liaqt Ali. As I said Jinnah was a great man for sure but he lacked in execution and in the running of a country. In the role of heads of states, Nehru was far more strategic and bent on long term changes, something that many Pakistani leaders and scholars have also pointed out.

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Islam is the only solution for Pakistan and the world it will be very soon implemented

see this is where is issue lies, no clear decision on what Pakistan even means, Developero wants a secular Pakistan while you want one with Islam, total confusion and conflict.

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That Pakistan is a sanctuary of religious freedom and, while its formation was triggered by concern for the safety of Muslims in India, the same concern and rights apply to all its citizens.

Pakistan should have been a modern blend of cultures reflecting our full heritage. An experiment to demonstrate that it is possible to balance the democratic wishes of the Muslims to live in a society reflecting their Islamic heritage with the minority rights guarantees and protections to match any secular Western democracy.

That is why our flag is green and white -- to reflect the importance both of Islam and non-Muslims.

This would make sense as well as being a one religion country will only lead to more problems for you, but im not sure if other Pakistanis agree with you as well.
 
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That Pakistan is a sanctuary of religious freedom and, while its formation was triggered by concern for the safety of Muslims in India, the same concern and rights apply to all its citizens.

You mean that Pakistan was not intended as a country where Islam as it was understood would have no role in governance? And if this is not what you meant, well then what was the point of that white part, after all, it's not what Pakistan was about -

See develepero, that's what this thread is about --- Jinnah is quoted as saying:

But make no mistake : Pakistan is NOT a theocracy or anything like it.”[/B] [ Jinnah, Message to the people of Australia, 19 February 1948 ]


8 : ” The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly…..Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught Equality of men, Justice and Fairplay to ‘EVERYBODY’…..In any case Pakistan is NOT going to be a theocratic State – to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims – Hindus, Christians and Parsis – but they are ALL Pakistanis. They will enjoy the SAME rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan.” [ Jinnah, February 1948.Talk on Pakistan broadcast to the people of USA]

9 : ” Why this feeling of nervousness that the future constitution of Pakistan is going to be in conflict with Shariat Laws ?……Islamic principles today are are as much applicable as they were 1300 years ago……Islam and its idealism have taught Equality, Justice and Fairplay to EVERYBODY.

These all confirm what you say - and yet, our own Zarvan also quotes Jinnah and thast does not confirm what you say.

This contest of to whom does Jinnah belong, it seems to partisans of Jinnah, is one they have to move beyond -- so a very exciting time it is, as Pakistan may finally be coming to define herself, in her own time, with reference to the present
 
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As I said Jinnah was a great man for sure but he lacked in execution and in the running of a country. In the role of heads of states, Nehru was far more strategic and bent on long term changes, something that many Pakistani leaders and scholars have also pointed out.

The most important thing that Nehru did -- and Jinnah should have done -- which has consequences to this day is elimination of the feudal ruling class.
 
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Failure to give Pakistan a path to follow, Jinnah did not think about Pakistan in a long term and strategic manner and left way to many loose ends which were grabbed by the military shortly after his death. While he was alive he should have focused more on giving a strong vision for Pakistan rather than leaving notes and speeches which are till today not clear and interpreted different by everyone. Even on this forum there is so much debate on what Jinnah meant and wanted for Pakistan. While some of his short term goals were clear, his long term vision was almost non-existent in regards to Pakistan's social and political structure. This was amplified by the fact that he did not leave a clear successor after him as well nor did he work on building any kind of leadership in the party except him and maybe Liaqt Ali. As I said Jinnah was a great man for sure but he lacked in execution and in the running of a country. In the role of heads of states, Nehru was far more strategic and bent on long term changes, something that many Pakistani leaders and scholars have also pointed out.

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see this is where is issue lies, no clear decision on what Pakistan even means, Developero wants a secular Pakistan while you want one with Islam, total confusion and conflict.

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This would make sense as well as being a one religion country will only lead to more problems for you, but im not sure if other Pakistanis agree with you as well.
Sir most pakistanis want Islamic Pakistan not secular the millions who gave their lives during migration died because they wanted Pakistan under Islamic Rule
 
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Nehru lived many years after independence, and Jinnah died barely a year later --
 
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Nehru lived many years after independence, and Jinnah died barely a year later --

One is tempted to romanticize the what-if had Jinnah survived??

Would the musical chairs and the grave transgression by the likes of Ghulam Mohammad have occurred?
Would the constitution have taken that long?
Would a below average Army officer slated for retirement have taken over the nation?

Moreover.. even after that.. there was the glimmer of hope with Fatima Jinnah..
Sadly.. the dictator stuck to his chair.. and virtually committed hara-kiri for this nation in 65 trying to save face and divert attention from his blatant fraudulent election.

It almost as if one is tempted to believe the idea that "witchcraft and black magic" sprung into action against Pakistan the second it was announced.
 
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