Jinnah’s Pakistan is finally dead

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Solomon,

As hard to swallow as it is, elections have to be fought in the Pakistan we have, not the Pakistan we wish we had. The Pakistan today is one that has seen generations under ZA Bhutto and Zia's islamization policies. Social changes that have taken place over decades cannot be undone overnight. The Ahmadi issue is an extremely sensitive subject in Pakistan (you know where I stand on it based on numerous posts I've made in the past).

The TLYRA, that was irrelevant a few months ago, brought the government to its knees over the issue of 'finality of the Prophet' and is now fielding candidates in numbers to challenge the mainstream political parties.

Combined, the religious parties are fielding more candidates than any of the big 3 - PMLN, PPP, PTI. I'd argue that it's better for Imran Khan to engage in the rhetoric that he is and wean away votes from the religious right, rather than let the religious right take sole ownership of this issue and actually get traction with the electorate and win a larger number of seats than they might (were they to have sole ownership of sensitive religious issues like that of Blasphemy and finality of the prophet/Ahmadis).

 

[MultaniGuy]

hat a disgrace of a human being this demented person is.

Solomon,

As hard to swallow as it is, elections have to be fought in the Pakistan we have, not the Pakistan we wish we had. The Pakistan today is one that has seen generations under ZA Bhutto and Zia's islamization policies. Social changes that have taken place over decades cannot be undone overnight. The Ahmadi issue is an extremely sensitive subject in Pakistan (you know where I stand on it based on numerous posts I've made in the past).

The TLYRA, that was irrelevant a few months ago, brought the government to its knees over the issue of 'finality of the Prophet' and is now fielding candidates in numbers to challenge the mainstream political parties.

Combined, the religious parties are fielding more candidates than any of the big 3 - PMLN, PPP, PTI. I'd argue that it's better for Imran Khan to engage in the rhetoric that he is and wean away votes from the religious right, rather than let the religious right take sole ownership of this issue and actually get traction with the electorate and win a larger number of seats than they might (were they to have sole ownership of sensitive religious issues like that of Blasphemy and finality of the prophet/Ahmadis).

And what are you suggesting Pakistan should be? lol?

Are you suggesting Muslims should be oppressed in their own lands.

Ahmadi/Qadiyanis are not Muslim. Most Pakistanis support the bill against Ahmadis.

Jinnah talks about Islamic Socialism and Islamic Democracy? What do you think that means.

 

[El Sidd]

Are you a khusra by any chance? It's been my observation that this kind of venomous liberal rhetoric from someone that is a Pakistani is inevitably coming from a transvestite.
Burn in your hatred of Islam and the religious right, you can never stop our momentum.

Transgenders are No zionist apologist either my Amish Pakistani.

You are on some juice.

 

[MBT 3000]

lol not that mental ill guy, he tweets shit. what a dumbass crazy retard he is

And what are you suggesting Pakistan should be? lol?

Are you suggesting Muslims should be oppressed in their own lands.

Ahmadi/Qadiyanis are not Muslim. Most Pakistanis support the bill against Ahmadis.

Jinnah talks about Islamic Socialism and Islamic Democracy? What do you think that means.

dont think libtards, mentallectuals and sickulars care

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Burn in your hatred of Islam

What ‘hatred of Islam’ did you see in my post?

 

[newb3e]

jinnahs pakistan died the day when men made Constitution became greater than Allahs law.. Pakistan was created in the name of Islam where Islam and Allahs law will reign supreme but there is no shariah in Pakistan so there was never jinnahs Pakistan the Pakistan we have today is hijacked by elites who manupilate and twist law and make laws that favour them they have their minions the mullahs or the tullahs (seculars) to enfore their law!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

And what are you suggesting Pakistan should be? lol?

Are you suggesting Muslims should be oppressed in their own lands.

Ahmadi/Qadiyanis are not Muslim. Most Pakistanis support the bill against Ahmadis.

Jinnah talks about Islamic Socialism and Islamic Democracy? What do you think that means.

My position on the Blasphemy laws and The status of Ahmadis is as follows:

Blasphemy Laws:
Blasphemy laws should be reformed to where no one is imprisoned till courts issue a final judgment. False accusations of blasphemy should be punished harshly. Police should ensure protection of the accused and those who resort to violence/instigating violence against the accused should be tried as terrorists.

Ahmadis:
The state has no business regulating religion and telling Ahmadis what they should call themselves or their places of worship.

jinnahs pakistan died the day when men made Constitution became greater than Allahs law.. Pakistan was created in the name of Islam where Islam and Allahs law will reign supreme but there is no shariah in Pakistan so there was never jinnahs Pakistan the Pakistan we have today is hijacked by elites who manupilate and twist law and make laws that favour them they have their minions the mullahs or the tullahs (seculars) to enfore their law!

Whose Shariah? Taliban Shariah? Daesh Shariah? Shia Shariah? Sunni Shariah? Moderate and conservative Islamic scholars have different views - whose interpretation is correct?

 

[MultaniGuy]

My position on the Blasphemy laws and The status of Ahmadis is as follows:

Blasphemy Laws:
Blasphemy laws should be reformed to where no one is imprisoned till courts issue a final judgment. False accusations of blasphemy should be punished harshly. Police should ensure protection of the accused and those who resort to violence/instigating violence against the accused should be tried as terrorists.

Ahmadis:
The state has no business regulating religion and telling Ahmadis what they should call themselves or their places of worship.

For the Blasphemy laws I can agree.
But for the government part regarding Ahmadis I disagree with you.

Ahmadis have no right to call themselves Muslims. End of discussion.

My position on the Blasphemy laws and The status of Ahmadis is as follows:

Blasphemy Laws:
Blasphemy laws should be reformed to where no one is imprisoned till courts issue a final judgment. False accusations of blasphemy should be punished harshly. Police should ensure protection of the accused and those who resort to violence/instigating violence against the accused should be tried as terrorists.

Ahmadis:
The state has no business regulating religion and telling Ahmadis what they should call themselves or their places of worship.


Whose Shariah? Taliban Shariah? Daesh Shariah? Shia Shariah? Sunni Shariah? Moderate and conservative Islamic scholars have different views - whose interpretation is correct?

Well an Islamic country based on the Qur'an and Sunnah.

Go see the Objectives Resolutions.


Otherwise what was the point of partition? To create a secular country where Muslims will be oppressed in their own country?

 

[MBT 3000]

For the Blasphemy laws I can agree.
But for the government part regarding Ahmadis I disagree with you.

Ahmadis have no right to call themselves Muslims. End of discussion.

i agree to

For the Blasphemy laws I can agree.
But for the government part regarding Ahmadis I disagree with you.

Ahmadis have no right to call themselves Muslims. End of discussion.


Well an Islamic country based on the Qur'an and Sunnah.

Go see the Objectives Resolutions.


Otherwise what was the point of partition? To create a secular country where Muslims will be oppressed in their own country?

agree

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Ahmadis have no right to call themselves Muslims. End of discussion.

Which is fine. That’s why I responded to Solomon that it is unreasonable to expect IK or any mainstream Pakistani politician to take the position I articulated. Pakistani society is not ready for that kind of reform and may not be for some generations. However, just like I respect your views on Ahmadis, you should respect my right to express my views (without agreeing with them). I am not insulting Islam, I’m arguing that Islam itself does not support the kinds of restrictions we in Pakistan have imposed on Ahmadis.

 

[Dalit]

He did! (Google his column from last month.)

@RiazHaq, will you honor us with your response, please?

@Solomon2 How does it feel to be taken apart bit by bit, little Jew? How does it feel to see your buddy Nawazoo go down like this? Do you feel helpless? Share your inner feelings.

 

[newb3e]

My position on the Blasphemy laws and The status of Ahmadis is as follows:

Blasphemy Laws:
Blasphemy laws should be reformed to where no one is imprisoned till courts issue a final judgment. False accusations of blasphemy should be punished harshly. Police should ensure protection of the accused and those who resort to violence/instigating violence against the accused should be tried as terrorists.

Ahmadis:
The state has no business regulating religion and telling Ahmadis what they should call themselves or their places of worship.


Whose Shariah? Taliban Shariah? Daesh Shariah? Shia Shariah? Sunni Shariah? Moderate and conservative Islamic scholars have different views - whose interpretation is correct?

yeh man whoes shariah should Pakistan implement thats the issue! there is no consensus among Muslims we are divided into trillion sects so i dont what shariah should be implemented but my point is Jinnahs Pakistan was supposed to be a Islamic walfare state for Muslims and where non Muslims are free to practice their religion in peace! we failed jinnah neither Majority ie Sunni Muslims or minorities ie shias or Christians etc are safe in this country!

as for blasphemy law i agree only courts should have authority to pass judgement and not street mob!

and for ahmadies they are kafirs decleared not by constitution but by Law of Allah! and technically they have no right to practice their believes in Pakistan! or any other Muslim country!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

For the Blasphemy laws I can agree.

i agree to

Which is great. Whichever political party is elected to power, let’s work on getting reforms implemented that most Pakistanis agree on. We can keep discussing the Ahmadinissue and perhaps many years down the road most Pakistanis will change their mind, or not, but let’s not stop civil respectful debate on the issue.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Which is great. Whichever political party is elected to power, let’s work on getting reforms implemented that most Pakistanis agree on. We can keep discussing the Ahmadinissue and perhaps many years down the road most Pakistanis will change their mind, or not, but let’s not stop civil respectful debate on the issue.

I am aware there are issues which we will agree and disagree on.

We must keep the discussion civil.

Blasphemy laws should not be misused, like some idiots may have done in the past.

Islam says that minorities must be protected.

 

[R Wing]

I am aware there are issues which we will agree and disagree on.

We must keep the discussion civil.

Blasphemy laws should not be misused, like some idiots may have done in the past.

Islam says that minorities must be protected.

If we must have a Blasphemy Law then we must have, at the very least, an even stricter law protecting those accused of blasphemy from mob justice (till the state's judicial system takes its course) + the harshest possible punishment for those who falsely accuse / undertake vigilante justice.

Most of this law's supporters don't even know the story of the lawyer who came up with it.