Trango Towers
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Oct 29, 2016
- Messages
- 21,951
- Reaction score
- -18
- Country
- Location
The word HINDU STAN (LAND OF THE HINDUS) should give an idea to non Hindus such as Muslims and sikhs that India is NOT a home for the minorities
Jinnah was right: Sikh regret today
- Thread starter Chakar The Great
- Start date
ziaulislam
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Apr 22, 2010
- Messages
- 23,621
- Reaction score
- 9
- Country
- Location
the sikh choose india and rejected pakistan nad lost important religious parts..
so now regretting wont change this matter
Trango Towers
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Oct 29, 2016
- Messages
- 21,951
- Reaction score
- -18
- Country
- Location
Agreed but its never too late to put a wrong to right
Adonis
BANNED
- Joined
- Sep 14, 2010
- Messages
- 1,681
- Reaction score
- -30
- Country
- Location
Imagine..with your mindset or from True history perspective?
does Yindoo is Hindu?...if so before British time, it was Muslim ruler in India...Speaking of Muslims, it is impossible for them to live with anyone (leave aside Yindoos)...where ever they go, they have some problem...look at today's world..Europe, US, India, wherever they are the minority, they have issues...where they are in majority, even gruesome of acts are justified....now compare.. with whom the world has problems, Yindoos or Muslims?
Markandeya
BANNED
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2016
- Messages
- 362
- Reaction score
- -18
- Country
- Location
People have no clue and they are commenting.
This protest is all about Corrupts trying to ensure that the privilege continues. Modi will not let it happen.
Sharing one forwards.
“I am still not clear about the issues involved in the Farmer's agitation. So, I asked a friend of mine, who besides engineering is a farmer from Abohar - Fazilka region of Punjab. Now, after retirement he is a full time farmer.
This is what he told me.
"I have been actively farming for almost two decades now and I have witnessed many things happen at APMC’s.
I have seen classifications of C grade grain miraculously change into B grade grain.
Similarly I have also witnessed the weigh bridge weigh in the empty truck at 39 tons and the full truck at 55 tons and later found that the unloaded truck weighed 43 tons at another weigh bridge.
Yes I know, you know what I know. Yet, let me tell you more about what you may already know.
There are over 30,000 registered adtiyas in Punjab.
These 30,000 employ another 300,000 sub agents or sidekicks or people who wouldn’t have made it into doing anything anyplace were it not for the patronage network of these 30,000.
There are only 1500 farming villages in Punjab.
330,000 / 1500 is about 220 people on average per village doing the work of middlemen.
Why is this the case?
It’s a long story but someone needs to begin talking about this at some time.
We had a food shortage and a ship to mouth existence until the 1970’s.
Norman Borlaugh pioneered a variety of wheat which gave 10 X the yield but needed 3X the fertiliser.
The Punjab was chosen as the battleground against hunger. Enterprising Sikh farmers worked hard to Create what we know as the green revolution.
Since there were huge shortages. Laws were made which didn’t allow for stockholding or selling at farm gates.
Essential Commodities Act
APMC Act (farmers were compelled to sell only at APMC’s to licensed traders - remember license permit quota Raj?)
As an assurance to the farmer for his hard work. Minimum Support Prices were guaranteed.
No matter what the quantum. Sarkar would pick it up and provide farmers with a minimum amount as compensation per quintal or ton as the case maybe.
Getting money out of the sarkari treasury is a muck filled process. Thus was born the breed of middle men who walked the corridors of bureaucracy, government and worked corrupt sarkari babus.
political patronage networks flourished.
220 : 1 is the ratio of middlemen to a single village in Punjab today.
This business got integrated backwards.
Corruption was professionalised.
For instance, I have in my circle of influence or immediate family, folks who own very large tracts of land. (100 acre plus holding).
The thekedar comes and takes the theka of growing on the land. For those unfamiliar with the word, Theka it’s also referred to as contract. I know there are grumblings about corporates contracting with farmers directly now. I also know why. You should too.
Anyways; to cut a long story short.
Plenty Farmers do, not much except receive their due at the end of each cropping season.
What is grown?
What grade or quality?
For how much is it sold?
Would it have fetched the similar price in the open market?
Where is it sold?
How is it sold?
Who’s the end beneficiary?
Does anybody consume it or does it go to waste?
Was there a better way to do what’s being done?
All the above is none of my business or yours.
As long as you receive your cheque.
Why do you care?
The Jamkhedkar committee meanwhile reports that over 40% of the grain acquired under MSP by FCI is either unfit for consumption or is simply wasted.
All Told, One out of every Two kilos acquired is wasted.
Years of perfidy have today given birth to this.
MSP has ensured that there is no necessity to seek profitable enterprise.
It’s also given birth to the patronage networks which survive off the sarkari teat and refuse to breakaway.
It’s given rise to a political class which thrives and survives of being Specialist Corrupt Thugs.
There was no sunset clause on this. Nobody foresaw a time of surplus production on food grains.
Result; all other states such as Haryana, UP, Bihar, Rajasthan & MP all produce surfeits of Grain. They also have their own MSP mechanisms which have proliferated and created similar political patronage networks.
Since more is acquired at Mandis in Punjab. Remember the central government promise. Grain from UP and or Bihar also finds its ways into the mandi system of Punjab.
The trucks being under weight and over paid for and the grades changing are common place practise, you can go for a few days to the mandi and figure out how to make a killing by doing this. I don’t advise it, this is what the system is current day. I advise, Try doing truthful clean work. It’s more fulfilling.
Soon enough, you’ll also be one of those “know it all’s” in the mandi who doesn’t talk to others. After all information is power.
All this is paid for by you dear tax payer.
The annual bill for this is approximately 8 lakh crores.
Why don’t the farmers grow something else.
Something more profitable.
If I’m being paid for doing precisely nothing.
Why bother with competing.
Where is the incentive to compete?
I would rather go and picket the roads leading into Delhi to ensure that the existing system isn’t threatened."
Quite a racket ! What a shame.”
This protest is all about Corrupts trying to ensure that the privilege continues. Modi will not let it happen.
Sharing one forwards.
“I am still not clear about the issues involved in the Farmer's agitation. So, I asked a friend of mine, who besides engineering is a farmer from Abohar - Fazilka region of Punjab. Now, after retirement he is a full time farmer.
This is what he told me.
"I have been actively farming for almost two decades now and I have witnessed many things happen at APMC’s.
I have seen classifications of C grade grain miraculously change into B grade grain.
Similarly I have also witnessed the weigh bridge weigh in the empty truck at 39 tons and the full truck at 55 tons and later found that the unloaded truck weighed 43 tons at another weigh bridge.
Yes I know, you know what I know. Yet, let me tell you more about what you may already know.
There are over 30,000 registered adtiyas in Punjab.
These 30,000 employ another 300,000 sub agents or sidekicks or people who wouldn’t have made it into doing anything anyplace were it not for the patronage network of these 30,000.
There are only 1500 farming villages in Punjab.
330,000 / 1500 is about 220 people on average per village doing the work of middlemen.
Why is this the case?
It’s a long story but someone needs to begin talking about this at some time.
We had a food shortage and a ship to mouth existence until the 1970’s.
Norman Borlaugh pioneered a variety of wheat which gave 10 X the yield but needed 3X the fertiliser.
The Punjab was chosen as the battleground against hunger. Enterprising Sikh farmers worked hard to Create what we know as the green revolution.
Since there were huge shortages. Laws were made which didn’t allow for stockholding or selling at farm gates.
Essential Commodities Act
APMC Act (farmers were compelled to sell only at APMC’s to licensed traders - remember license permit quota Raj?)
As an assurance to the farmer for his hard work. Minimum Support Prices were guaranteed.
No matter what the quantum. Sarkar would pick it up and provide farmers with a minimum amount as compensation per quintal or ton as the case maybe.
Getting money out of the sarkari treasury is a muck filled process. Thus was born the breed of middle men who walked the corridors of bureaucracy, government and worked corrupt sarkari babus.
political patronage networks flourished.
220 : 1 is the ratio of middlemen to a single village in Punjab today.
This business got integrated backwards.
Corruption was professionalised.
For instance, I have in my circle of influence or immediate family, folks who own very large tracts of land. (100 acre plus holding).
The thekedar comes and takes the theka of growing on the land. For those unfamiliar with the word, Theka it’s also referred to as contract. I know there are grumblings about corporates contracting with farmers directly now. I also know why. You should too.
Anyways; to cut a long story short.
Plenty Farmers do, not much except receive their due at the end of each cropping season.
What is grown?
What grade or quality?
For how much is it sold?
Would it have fetched the similar price in the open market?
Where is it sold?
How is it sold?
Who’s the end beneficiary?
Does anybody consume it or does it go to waste?
Was there a better way to do what’s being done?
All the above is none of my business or yours.
As long as you receive your cheque.
Why do you care?
The Jamkhedkar committee meanwhile reports that over 40% of the grain acquired under MSP by FCI is either unfit for consumption or is simply wasted.
All Told, One out of every Two kilos acquired is wasted.
Years of perfidy have today given birth to this.
MSP has ensured that there is no necessity to seek profitable enterprise.
It’s also given birth to the patronage networks which survive off the sarkari teat and refuse to breakaway.
It’s given rise to a political class which thrives and survives of being Specialist Corrupt Thugs.
There was no sunset clause on this. Nobody foresaw a time of surplus production on food grains.
Result; all other states such as Haryana, UP, Bihar, Rajasthan & MP all produce surfeits of Grain. They also have their own MSP mechanisms which have proliferated and created similar political patronage networks.
Since more is acquired at Mandis in Punjab. Remember the central government promise. Grain from UP and or Bihar also finds its ways into the mandi system of Punjab.
The trucks being under weight and over paid for and the grades changing are common place practise, you can go for a few days to the mandi and figure out how to make a killing by doing this. I don’t advise it, this is what the system is current day. I advise, Try doing truthful clean work. It’s more fulfilling.
Soon enough, you’ll also be one of those “know it all’s” in the mandi who doesn’t talk to others. After all information is power.
All this is paid for by you dear tax payer.
The annual bill for this is approximately 8 lakh crores.
Why don’t the farmers grow something else.
Something more profitable.
If I’m being paid for doing precisely nothing.
Why bother with competing.
Where is the incentive to compete?
I would rather go and picket the roads leading into Delhi to ensure that the existing system isn’t threatened."
Quite a racket ! What a shame.”
AUz
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Sep 14, 2010
- Messages
- 8,595
- Reaction score
- -12
- Country
- Location
"hahaha" is showing your desperation where Pakistan is completely benefiting from the farmers protests and successfully conducting misinformation warfare
The Sikh tweet has 35k likes and most of em are other indians (Sikhs). Check it yourself 
This is why your general was like We need to learn information war from ISPR
While you come up with laughable "Shehzazudin"F-16 pilot stories---which are so obviously fake---we pick our time and spot, and run effective campaigns
Chakar The Great
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Apr 25, 2018
- Messages
- 5,614
- Reaction score
- 0
- Country
- Location
Says some one from a country who do fake surgical strike, fake 58 inch chest , fake progress and fake secularism.
Similar threads
