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JF17 is a contender in Bulgarian Fighter jet Acquisition

Recently an air show in Europe showed that F-16 are better thAn F-35 can be a strategic campaign to counter Jf- 17 and others Low profile planes by USA.
It gives a clue to small nations that don't go for jf-17 and other planes cause F-16 providing a better result with cheap cost.
all in all it was a marketing strategy by USA to counter competitors that will be investing small money in planes with better result.
 
the mid life upgrade is expensive ... they are cheap due to their obsolete airframe, hence MLU is necessary for them
only slightly and also you need to think about capability, value and effectiveness there are thousand of f16's and hundreds waiting to be stripped for parts. of maintenance is cheap and the price of a used f16 is similar to a new jd-17 but granted you may need to upgrade the f16 to your standard which will cost more. but at the end of the day its mainly politics that usually does the deciding.
 
No, the joke is sh!tty tejas which can't even fly after 3 DECADES of "development"...that junk is a bloody joke.

JF-17 has one confirmed order...and it competes with other jets in international market...while tejas sh!t is not even mentioned!!!!! :lol:

The standard joke is that you are posting sh!t even when nobody claimed sale of JFT to Bulgaria in this thread showing you are another troll from Bharat.

Lol calm down B!tches, was just an observation...
 
its a win-win situation as bulgaria has new fighter jet with western suits, and pak has more f-16s and a operator of jf-17 and mig-29 as aggressor..

Thanks for highlighting Bulgaria is operating Mig-29's...

We all are discussing that F-16's would be the ones that Bulgaria would be choosing because it wants to be part of NATO, but one has to understand that JF-17 can have the same standards that are required to be a NATO product. Integration of avionics and A2A refueling which are comparable with the NATO members.

The second issue is the Engine of F-16 is not the same a Mig-29 where as JF-17 is using a variant though it can use the exact Mig-29 engine with minimum changes giving it more T/W ratio.

We all should look forward at this evaluation process as it is going to be a very difficult and interesting, the competition between the F-16 and JF-17 would be neck and neck.
 
only slightly and also you need to think about capability, value and effectiveness there are thousand of f16's and hundreds waiting to be stripped for parts. of maintenance is cheap and the price of a used f16 is similar to a new jd-17 but granted you may need to upgrade the f16 to your standard which will cost more. but at the end of the day its mainly politics that usually does the deciding.

Recently an air show in Europe showed that F-16 are better thAn F-35 can be a strategic campaign to counter Jf- 17 and others Low profile planes by USA.
It gives a clue to small nations that don't go for jf-17 and other planes cause F-16 providing a better result with cheap cost.
all in all it was a marketing strategy by USA to counter competitors that will be investing small money in planes with better result.

Thats very true in its essence that used F-16 which will be available for sale are proven platform and are better as well but their are quiet a lot of things included like political aspect and competitive price. even a used F-16 would cost more then a JFT and who knows what package Bulgarians wants to choose for them so it may decide the price. Their are other factors like flying per hour and infrastructure which they already have like for Mig-29 which may help in parts commonality with JFT engine. So I believe JFT as a new platform with the room of improvement will give an old horse a tough time as a contender with all of these circumstances.
 
Thanks for highlighting Bulgaria is operating Mig-29's...

We all are discussing that F-16's would be the ones that Bulgaria would be choosing because it wants to be part of NATO, but one has to understand that JF-17 can have the same standards that are required to be a NATO product. Integration of avionics and A2A refueling which are comparable with the NATO members.

The second issue is the Engine of F-16 is not the same a Mig-29 where as JF-17 is using a variant though it can use the exact Mig-29 engine with minimum changes giving it more T/W ratio.

We all should look forward at this evaluation process as it is going to be a very difficult and interesting, the competition between the F-16 and JF-17 would be neck and neck.
this is a + point for f-17, but don't know our marketing used this + point to convince Bulgaria or not??
 
I am surprised all of you are comparing used F16s with Out of assembly line new JF17 but non of you is considering the life of a brand new aircraft with a 2 decades old aircraft plus the mid life upgrade costs and other maintenance costs that will accrue with the acquisition of F16 platform. all this hassle for an aircraft that will be in skies only for 7 to 10 odd years?
Pakisitan acquiring F16 is a totally different story as we already have the infrastructure and we are using them as a stop gap.
If they want to REPLACE an obsolete platform why on earth would they go for a used aircraft? they would definitely go for new one. And in that petty budget i doubt anything can fit in. Mig 29 SMT and JF17 are their only choices i think with that money.
 
"The Bulgarian Ministry of Defense is also considering to acquire new fighter jets. When the country joined NATO in March 2004, its government vowed to replace six of its MiG-21 fighters and acquire eight new aircraft by 2016."

$283 Million / 8
That's more than $35 million per plane. They will probably look towards F-16s
 
Textron touts Scorpion to Bulgaria in bid to secure first customer
Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
14 July 2015


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At just USD20 million to procure and USD3,000 per hour to operate, the Scorpion is being billed as a cheap yet capable combat aircraft for those operators, such as Bulgaria, that require performance on a budget. Source: Textron AirLand
Textron AirLand has demonstrated the capabilities of its Scorpion aircraft to Bulgaria and others, as it looks to secure a first sale of the type during a post-Paris Air Show tour of Europe, the company disclosed in early July.

The tandem twin-seat and twin-engine jet, which is being touted as a modern, cheap, yet capable multirole platform, is being pitched to Bulgaria as that country looks to update its ageing combat aircraft inventories.

Bulgaria has been reported to be looking at surplus Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon jets to fulfil a MiG-29 'Fulcrum' and Sukhoi Su-25 'Frogfoot' replacement requirement, and other offerings such as early model Eurofighter Typhoons, Saab Gripens, and even the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex/Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation (PAC/CAC) JF-17 Thunder have also been touted.

In the case of the Scorpion, however, it was reported by national defence aerospace publication Списание АЕРО that this particular aircraft is being touted as a possible replacement for the Bulgarian Air Force's Aero L-39ZA Albatros light strike fighters, and as a support platform to the 'new' main fighter type.

First revealed in September 2013, the Scorpion jet has been developed to suit a wide range of mission sets that include counterinsurgency, border patrol, maritime surveillance, counter-narcotics, and air defence. The aircraft is built around a 2.3 m 3payload bay in the centre of its fuselage that can accept a variety of sensors and weapons systems, depending on the mission, up to 1,360 kg, and has six underwing hardpoints - three on each side - to carry additional sensors, fuel, or weapons up to 2,766 kg. Company-supplied performance specifications give the Scorpion a top speed of 450 kt, a service ceiling of 45,000 ft, and a ferry range of 4,450 km.

At USD20 million to procure and just USD3,000 per hour to operate, the Scorpion is significantly cheaper to both buy and field than just about any of its jet rivals (only advanced jet trainer aircraft that have a secondary light strike capability come close in terms of cost). This would make it an especially appealing option for Bulgaria, which has the need but not necessarily the budget.

As well as Bulgaria, Textron revealed ahead of the Scorpion's planned appearance at the UK's Royal International Air Tattoo (RIAT) in mid-July that it has demonstrated the aircraft to the UK Royal Navy also. As well, it was reported to have visited the Royal Air Force's officer training college at Cranwell and QinetiQ's Empire Test Pilots' School at Boscombe Down in Wiltshire. No further details were disclosed.

Speaking to IHS Jane's during the Paris Air Show in June, Textron AirLand president Bill Anderson said that a production-standard version of the Scorpion will fly in 2016, just two years after the type was first rolled out.
 
Used f16 will cost them too much as it still requires MLU.
New Jf17 fits perfect in their budget.
 
A advice to the Pak Govt: officials... contact USA, Holand, Belgium, Greece said them that we want to buy f-16s from you.. and buy f-16s from them... then contact Bulgaria and said them that we want to exchange jf-17s with your mig-29...

its a win-win situation as bulgaria has new fighter jet with western suits, and pak has more f-16s and a operator of jf-17 and mig-29 as aggressor..
It wont be a Win win , it will be a lose lose For Pakistan , Why will you donate your best weapon against something which you have no knowledge off ,
 

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