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Thanxs buddy for a good laughter session I had while reading ur comment PAF is no. 1 Air force in the world
IAF, USAF, russian and Israeli are all lil rookies
But can u gimmie one proof or source which back ur claim of Paf being better than IAF and ur Pilots being more trained n skilled than ours
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Listen I am not saying China will start to give orders to Pakistan, but am saying that Pakistan will be in China's pocket at that point.
Just because its in the pocket of china doesn't mean China will Take advantage, But its still in China's Pocket.
That's all i said.
guys tell you something
china start the j10 at early 80s put them in AF late 90s
and start the 5th stealth fighter at early 90s
we will start to see the news about china's 5th gen fighter before 2012
with the boost of economy and one party political government
you will be very surprised no late then 2020
i am not judge which political system is better or not
but you have to believe this
"one party political government" if they want to do something they will finally get it
one RICH "one party political government" if they want to do something they will do it faster then your thought
jf 17 is a 4th gen. Aircraft .and u cant say it 5th.but dont worry guys,i know with the future is becoming more dangerous from our competing side.,paf will be definately having any plan for the 5th gen. planes.
Well Pak having a 5th Gen Fighter, NOT before 2030.
How ?
See, except for f-22 none of the fighters are complete, even the f35 will take a good 5 Yrs before it will be really available to its customers.
Now In another thread dedicated to PAK FA, It har been roughly estimated that with the prototype ready it will take another 8-10 Yrs before the plane is actually inducted in IAF.
So PAF is already a good 10 Years behind as NO Prototype of JXX is in place, say even if its ready by 2015-2020, Pakistan will NOT get them before 2025-2030.
In any case PAF will lag atleast a Decade my friend atleast in case of 5th Gen Fighters.
yeah i agree with you brother..but atleast PAF will have it...and i dont think in 2030.like you can say in 2020 PAF will be acquiped with 5th gen.becz PAF will not only rely on jf17,f 16 and j10 in the year of 2020
Brother, 2020 is really very very optimistic.
See, J10 which has been developed and is in 100+ nos. will be available to you in 2015-2017.
JXX which is NOT even Modelled as a prototype cannot be available by 2020, it has to be a fair 7-10 yrs after that.
Russia, with all the know how is able to make PAKFA in over a 15Yr Span, So how can it be so early for China ?
Besides, IMO They will be Very costly for PAF and a more no. of J10 will be better til 2025.
yup i agree with you in that..ok so finally 2030...
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1.Indo-Pakistan War of 1965
MM Alam took down 5 IAF jet fighters within 1 minute.
Its a world record till today.
Everyone had the same jet fighters.
But how come MM Alam took down 5 in 1 minute?
Because PAF pilots have skill.
2. Pakistan is the only country to have shot down Israeli jet fighters.
When Israel had better aircraft than Pakistan.
What does this mean?
Pakistan Air Force pilots have skill.
I don't think India has done any of those.
Not even close.
OK great achievement and gimmie a credible source for it
every Air forces have done some amazing things brotha.....and acc. to your story here that makes IAF less skilled and weaker than paf hmm? and what year are we living in 2009 not 1965 sir,,,whats the present condition of both air forces at present, if u compare....ur lil paf is nothing compared to IAF in technology, aircrafts, skilled pilots, achivements and numbers.
We are recognized as one of the best and strongest airforces in the world and we do international excercises with superpowers like usa, russia and uk never seen paf in any of the air force excercizes in usa or in any other continent:lol: face the reality dear friend you guyz are nothing......
just few american old f-16s aint gonna do anything and dont get very happy with few new F-16s that Uncle Sam is gonna give you country thats for keeping the lil kid(pakistan) happy so they can do anything they want in pakistan because you guyz are already under so much american pressure n they have shut your mouths with giving billions dollars of aid.
Sorry for going lil off topic but just want you to wake up n face the reality and save ur country first from disappearing before comparing anything with growing superpowers like India. If any doubt about india being one of the superpowers in future google it n u will find thousands of sources telling you of the future n tell me if you find pakistan anywhere there
I was about to go off this page before this peace of fantasy tale of your's drew my intentions.
1-Within next two to three years most of technical advantages of IAF will be matched by PAF. (AWACS,BVR, IFR all these are going to be inducted). Numbers are only thing where i can foresee IAF will be ahead of PAF but again... India has a large border with China as well and need assets there as well.
Just google "Bright Star 2009" and see where these exercise are being held and who is participating in this exercise you will know level of your ignorance..
What about FC-20 and JF-17? US gave F-16 to Pakistan to safe jobs at Texas Just search some fact about how many Pakistan was offered with and how many it actually choosed. So pity little kid with little Airforce never allowed Mighty IAF to fulfill its dream of surgical strikes in Pakistan So what is point in having such ultra modern air force who cannot complete the job? US aid to Pakistan is money to compensate expenditure in WoT.
No sir Pakistan will not anywhere near India...neither we can ( as our size is too small compared to India)..But let me tell you one thing for sure... Doesn't matter how strong India got in future Pakistan will always your first concern due to its military advancements. Your presence on this forum is a proof that Pakistan does matter a lot in your politics, thinking, defence, planning and all other aspects of governance.