JF-17 thunder vs Tejas MK-1 a unbiased comparison

[Trango Towers]

Look you indiot you know nothing fighter jets you have a Indian superiority false ego remember all 4 and 4++ gen jet had premature induction then develop into advance version do research before you post you stupid indiot @randomradio

Why are you abusing me? I am neither an indiot not an Indian nor an idiot. And your post makes no sense at all. Or am I casualty of war

 

[Ultima Thule]

Why are you abusing me? I am neither an indiot not an Indian nor an idiot. And your post makes no sense at all. Or am I casualty of war

Am i talking to you @snow lake i am talking indiot @randomradio he is talking nonsense he is comparing Tej@$$ with f35 and all 4th 4++ gen jets were induct rather raw state haven't you know f-16a to block 60, GRIPPEN-A to GRIPPEN-NG similar with Su's, MIG's, EF2000 and RAFALE, MIRAGE2000 series @snow lake

 

[Gurjot.S]

loooooooool. 35 years and still on a truck.

Show me the tejas prototype which flown 35 yrs ago ? and when was the last time u were in senses ?
Tell me how your junk fighter is better than tejas mk-1, dont tell me about numbers bla bla .

its all about requirements, india dont depend on tejas as your bankrupt airforce depend on junk fighter 17

Anyway, OP does not seem to be indian. May be false flag pakistani hiding behind indian flags.

 

[Vapnope]

Tell me how your junk fighter is better than tejas mk-1

Because JF 17 doesn't come on trailers.
Junk fighter 0
Tejas +99

 

[Ultima Thule]

Show me the tejas prototype which flown 35 yrs ago ? and when was the last time u were in senses ?
Tell me how your junk fighter is better than tejas mk-1, dont tell me about numbers bla bla .

its all about requirements, india dont depend on tejas as your bankrupt airforce depend on junk fighter 17

Anyway, OP does not seem to be indian. May be false flag pakistani hiding behind indian flags.

Make your out of this universe vedic cowpiss 100000000 gen junk tej@$$ your indigenous product than we chat and have you a comprehension problem you indiot @snow lake referring to 35 + development phase and just 7 inducted you stupid indiot @Gurjot.S

 

[Gurjot.S]

Make your out of this universe vedic cowpiss 100000000 gen junk tej@$$ your indigenous product than we chat and have you a comprehension problem you indiot @snow lake referring to 35 + development phase and just 7 inducted you stupid indiot @Gurjot.S

Firstly learn manners and then talk. Get out from the age of piss and learn to live in civilized world.
Atleast there are 35 yrs for tejas and what you have ? a big zero.

Stop making pride out of chinese junk,learn to make a engine of 2 vehicle first.

Because JF 17 doesn't come on trailers.
Junk fighter 0
Tejas +99

Wake up, this is 2018. Do you take sleeping pills ?

 

[Vapnope]

Wake up, this is 2018. Do you take sleeping pills ?

I was kidding, of course Tejas are better..
After all they are indigenous products of India which is the most unique characteristic, Junk fighter can't compete.

 

[volatile]

Mod kindly close the thread one is in 3rd block production other one still unclear also JF17 better comparison can be with IAF Mirage 2000s

 

[Ultima Thule]

Firstly learn manners and then talk. Get out from the age of piss and learn to live in civilized world.
Atleast there are 35 yrs for tejas and what you have ? a big zero.

Stop making pride out of chinese junk,learn to make a engine of 2 vehicle first.

You indiot always remains indiot @Gurjot.S how do know that our jf is junk jet modi ji tells you fi and you're not ranting about our JF we have JF f16 that enough for you indiot @Gurjot.S you have too much shupa powa false ego you indiot @Gurjot.S
Gay shupa powa HIND
And first make your crap tej@$$ your indigenous product @Gurjot.S

 

[Trango Towers]

Show me the tejas prototype which flown 35 yrs ago ? and when was the last time u were in senses ?
Tell me how your junk fighter is better than tejas mk-1, dont tell me about numbers bla bla .

its all about requirements, india dont depend on tejas as your bankrupt airforce depend on junk fighter 17

Anyway, OP does not seem to be indian. May be false flag pakistani hiding behind indian flags.

Tejas.....stands for tere as5

Am i talking to you @snow lake i am talking indiot @randomradio he is talking nonsense he is comparing Tej@$$ with f35 and all 4th 4++ gen jets were induct rather raw state haven't you know f-16a to block 60, GRIPPEN-A to GRIPPEN-NG similar with Su's, MIG's, EF2000 and RAFALE, MIRAGE2000 series @snow lake

Oh dear....it was my post in the link. Ok bro fire away at him

 

[araz]

7 jets are already in operation with No 45 Squadron, the Flying Daggers. By the end of the year, they will have received 9 more jets. The 12th jet has started the assembly process. The squadron will be moved to their home base in Sulur, Tamil Nadu in a few months.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/sta...-bengaluru-to-tamil-nadus-coimba-1701172.html

My original argument still stands.Seven jets do not a squadron make!!!(Being a little poetic)!!!
Tejas is a decent effort but being destroyed by the HAL policies of making it better. You will make it perfect but by the time you do, it will be so outdated, it will not be worth the effort. It was worth it 1decade ago. Now it is too long coming and has so many opponents within the IAF and IN. It will be rammed down their throats and will remain a failed project. However the effort needs to be appreciated although Indians need to accept that the product has on this occasion not come out quite right.
As such there is no comparison between a non inducted plane and a plane in active service.
Last post on the topic.
Regards
A

 

[kabooter_maila]

Inducting premature aircraft isn't an achievement. The Americans have done the same with the F-35.

F-16 too is a premature plane for you. It is still evolving/improving. Man, go and take another doze of your own urine. You urgently need one.

 

[randomradio]

My original argument still stands.Seven jets do not a squadron make!!!(Being a little poetic)!!!
Tejas is a decent effort but being destroyed by the HAL policies of making it better. You will make it perfect but by the time you do, it will be so outdated, it will not be worth the effort. It was worth it 1decade ago. Now it is too long coming and has so many opponents within the IAF and IN. It will be rammed down their throats and will remain a failed project. However the effort needs to be appreciated although Indians need to accept that the product has on this occasion not come out quite right.
As such there is no comparison between a non inducted palne and a plane in active service.
Last post on the topic.
Regards
A

I had explained in another thread why the concept of LCA becoming outdated won't stand up to scrutiny. You can read it in the link below.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/a-tw...-blind-patriotism.543901/page-2#post-10246284

Hence--
The LCA's design is specific to roles and functions that other aircraft do not have a particular advantage in. As long as we operate aircraft like MKI and Jaguar, LCA will be relevant to the IAF. The LCA will only be as outdated as equivalent enemy aircraft. So if PAF has to make the LCA outdated, then JF-17s should be withdrawn from service and replaced with 5th gen aircraft before LCA squadrons make their way into the equation.

The argument that seven jets are not enough is pretty weak since it no longer applies. There was uncertainty a few years ago, but now that the LCA Mk1's performance envelope has been opened up, which was the biggest hurdle, it is only a matter of time for more numbers to come in. HAL has been authorised to set up a third production line and bring the numbers up to 19/year. So in no time, you will see the IAF operating a lot of LCA squadrons.

Also, you are wrong about HAL destroying the LCA. They in fact saved the LCA program. IAF is supposed to wait for the Mk2 unicorn until 2027, that's too late. The first Mk2 is planned to be inducted well after JF-17's production run for the PAF will have ended. But with the improved Mk1A, HAL managed to bring the aircraft back to spec, better than what the IAF originally wanted, and they saved a decade in procurement time. Because of HAL, you will see the IAF inducting LCA Mk1As alongside the JF-17 Block 3.

It will be rammed down their throats and will remain a failed project.

The LCA Mk1A was not rammed down the IAF's throats. This is a very poor excuse that Tejas critics come up with. Being a critic myself, I have never used this argument. Everything that is to be purchased has to clear extremely tough trials which is vetted by multiple govt agencies before procurement clearance is provided. LCA was treated worse than the MMRCA candidates in that respect.

If the LCA was indeed rammed down the IAF's throat, then why did the same technique not work with IN? They outright rejected all Mk1 models without batting an eye. ADA has gone back to the drawing board for the IN's version without any guarantees of it being procured. The entire aircraft for the navy is to be redesigned.

 

[kabooter_maila]

Show me the tejas prototype which flown 35 yrs ago ? and when was the last time u were in senses ?
Tell me how your junk fighter is better than tejas mk-1, dont tell me about numbers bla bla .

its all about requirements, india dont depend on tejas as your bankrupt airforce depend on junk fighter 17

Anyway, OP does not seem to be indian. May be false flag pakistani hiding behind indian flags.

35 years and 7 rejected prototypes. Good progress (by Indian standard). It's a lot for Indians. You deserve at least a bit of happiness and boasting. Congratulations!

I had explained in another thread why the concept of LCA becoming outdated won't stand up to scrutiny. You can read it in the link below.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/a-tw...-blind-patriotism.543901/page-2#post-10246284

Hence--
The LCA's design is specific to roles and functions that other aircraft do not have a particular advantage in. As long as we operate aircraft like MKI and Jaguar, LCA will be relevant to the IAF. The LCA will only be as outdated as equivalent enemy aircraft. So if PAF has to make the LCA outdated, then JF-17s should be withdrawn from service and replaced with 5th gen aircraft before LCA squadrons make their way into the equation.

The argument that seven jets are not enough is pretty weak since it no longer applies. There was uncertainty a few years ago, but now that the LCA Mk1's performance envelope has been opened up, which was the biggest hurdle, it is only a matter of time for more numbers to come in. HAL has been authorised to set up a third production line and bring the numbers up to 19/year. So in no time, you will see the IAF operating a lot of LCA squadrons.

Also, you are wrong about HAL destroying the LCA. They in fact saved the LCA program. IAF is supposed to wait for the Mk2 unicorn until 2027, that's too late. The first Mk2 is planned to be inducted well after JF-17's production run for the PAF will have ended. But with the improved Mk1A, HAL managed to bring the aircraft back to spec, better than what the IAF originally wanted, and they saved a decade in procurement time. Because of HAL, you will see the IAF inducting LCA Mk1As alongside the JF-17 Block 3.



The LCA Mk1A was not rammed down the IAF's throats. This is a very poor excuse that Tejas critics come up with. Being a critic myself, I have never used this argument. Everything that is to be purchased has to clear extremely tough trials which is vetted by multiple govt agencies before procurement clearance is provided. LCA was treated worse than the MMRCA candidates in that respect.

If the LCA was indeed rammed down the IAF's throat, then why did the same technique not work with IN? They outright rejected all Mk1 models without batting an eye. ADA has gone back to the drawing board for the IN's version without any guarantees of it being procured. The entire aircraft for the navy is to be redesigned.

Nice!!! Looks really nice on paper. Now you can fold that paper, make a batti, and let it fly upright. I am sure you'll get much deeper satisfaction.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Considering the time frames we are talking about, the 'advantage' really is irrelevant. There is only a 3 year difference between the two aircraft considering the JF-17 only achieved full 4th gen capability only in 2015 with the Block 2.

Not to mention the objectives are also very different. Pakistan's experience with the JF-17 is extremely limited, while a successful LCA will mean India's aerospace industry has come of age to the point where it will become revolutionary for the entire global aerospace industry, not just India.

actually 2 indian generations learnt a lot from this tejas and the way it is going forward one more will also learn from it.

Well JF-17 is the jet made by Chinese and denied to induct it in its own Chinese air force? Why?? It was just a cheap normal fighter jet and pak has no.option . You can't buy other jets . You have only 1 argue that tejas still in developing phase yes it's true because we are making it more and more advanced.

China will induct block 3 along with many more countries in the world to replace their older generation aircrafts.