JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[devil thunder 302]

guys does any one have any idea that is it a real one or a dummy??

 

[ziaulislam]

a nice pic indeed

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Is this a model or true aircatft

 

[razgriz19]

https://www.quora.com/When-a-fighte...-flight-characteristics-and-lift-capabilities



With the 3 EFTs + the SD-10s, rolling at 120 deg/sec seems respectable.

Except we don't know if those tanks are even full or not (no1st likely not)

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

Is this a model or true aircatft

guys does any one have any idea that is it a real one or a dummy??

Wow MASHALLAH its mean our JF-17 carry 4 BVR missile, 2 Short range missile and 2 fuel tanks <3 Great MASHALLAH

 

[Dazzler]

A mockup, albeit a detailed one.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Look tiny J-31

 

[messiach]

This is factually correct. Good.

Visual range means an object which could be seen through human eye. Generally it is considered “BVR” beyond 37 kilometers but these figures vary w.r.t. weather, light conditions and size of an aircraft. The plane with a size of MIG-21 could be seen in ideal conditions at 9-10km while SU-30 at 15km or so.

@ If a BVR missile has a stated range of 100kms, its effective range against a fighter is ~ 20kms (1/5th)

@ BVR missiles follow ballistic trajectories. The motor burns out in initial 10-12 seconds (10-12kms) after launch. At that point the missile is at its top acceleration with minimum mass (as motor fuel is gone). However, it starts to decelerate with each passing seconds. Missile ranges are max at high altitude. If a fighter plane receives an early warning of missile lock, it could choose to outrun or out maneuver the missile. Simply by diving to low altitude could make the missile lose 25% of its range.

@ g forces in tracking turn are a square of speed. If a fighter plane pulls 9gs at 0.9 mach speeds, while taking sharp turn, a chasing missile with 3 mach speed would need to pull 100 g to match the turn. AIM-120 with a Mach 4 speed could pull 30 g.
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[Shabi1]

A mockup, albeit a detailed one.


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The paint scheme is different from PAF. Could it be launch ceremony for Myanmar JF-17s.

 

[PakEye]

A mockup, albeit a detailed one.


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why they are showing the flag of ex- CCCP ( Soviet Union Russia) ?

 

[maravan91]

why they are showing the flag of ex- CCCP ( Soviet Union Russia) ?

Soviet union is a model and inspiration for all communist countries.

 

[clarkgap]

why they are showing the flag of ex- CCCP ( Soviet Union Russia) ?

Also the flag of CCP.

 

[air marshal]

JF-17 Thunder (Serial# 17-238)

https://falcons.pk/photo/JF-17/149

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

Be careful about this assertion. While it is true, in no way does it mean that missiles are useless.

If we go back to the pre missile era, as in WW I and II, the Korean and Vietnam wars, in general idea, it was no different with machine guns.

When the target was surprised, the odds of victory increases dramatically. When the target was aware of the fight, the odds of victory decreases and often times, the tables were turned when the predator became the prey.

Machine guns forced the combatants to engage in distances of meters where the odds of the predator becoming the prey is high.

Missiles allows the combatants to engage in distances of kilometers where the odds of the predator surprises the prey is high.

Since so often that great pilots turned the tables on their attackers -- the prey became the predator -- do we criticize the machine guns ?

A major component of air combat is about putting one's self in advantageous positions and the more hidden those positions are, the better. No pilot want to engage an aware opponent, in other words, all pilots want the element of surprise. If the missile fails, the enemy is not going to hunt down the missile. Whereas with the machine gun, if the hunter missed, he could be outmaneuvered and become the prey.

The machine gun reached its apex of development a long time ago. Now is the time of the missile with the gun being the weapon of last resort.

Thank you for responding. Not denying your expert opinion. I posted the above with respect to JF-17 current state and prevailing challenges.
In this very thread, many a times, one feel that a large aircraft with 8-10 BVRs with large radar is invincible. If it has acquired and locked you say at 100km, you are dead.
One Flanker would shot down at least 6 of JF-17s from 80kms away (easy peesey) before even being detected.

99% of us are lay-men (referred as armed chair generals. me included)
So I think, if we are here to learn something, we should know in black and white, that a very very complex thing like war or air combat is not a video game. If the points in post are correct, then one should discuss the real odds, if both Pakistan and Indian air forces come face to face. Both having very trained and professional personals. Majority of planes carrying ECM, jammers and FCR. I would say more of air duels would be in WVR possible <20kms. Number of planes and better use would be the key. In that scenario, if we look at Thunder, I would say PAF strategy is a good one. SU-30MKI in no way carrying silver bullets. There are limits and physical barriers of nature and no machine is 100% optimum.

This is factually correct. Good.

Thank you. Sorry forgot to tag you. Always look forward for your expert opinions and posts

 

[TaimiKhan]

why they are showing the flag of ex- CCCP ( Soviet Union Russia) ?

That flag is used for a communist and socialist party, its not just ussr. Chinese communist party use this as their party flag.

 

[CriticalThought]

Thank you for responding. Not denying your expert opinion. I posted the above with respect to JF-17 current state and prevailing challenges.
In this very thread, many a times, one feel that a large aircraft with 8-10 BVRs with large radar is invincible. If it has acquired and locked you say at 100km, you are dead.
One Flanker would shot down at least 6 of JF-17s from 80kms away (easy peesey) before even being detected.

99% of us are lay-men (referred as armed chair generals. me included)
So I think, if we are here to learn something, we should know in black and white, that a very very complex thing like war or air combat is not a video game. If the points in post are correct, then one should discuss the real odds, if both Pakistan and Indian air forces come face to face. Both having very trained and professional personals. Majority of planes carrying ECM, jammers and FCR. I would say more of air duels would be in WVR possible <20kms. Number of planes and better use would be the key. In that scenario, if we look at Thunder, I would say PAF strategy is a good one. SU-30MKI in no way carrying silver bullets. There are limits and physical barriers of nature and no machine is 100% optimum.


Thank you. Sorry forgot to tag you. Always look forward for your expert opinions and posts

You are forgetting the AEWACS factor. Bluster aside, the Indians won't know what's comin' for them. AEWACS + Thunder is a game changer.