JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[messiach]

Kn is calculated with Ab.

Madam, is that dry or wet?

For the engine, you should wait for official. I do not speculate.

Which new engine ? WS13 ? Is it speculation or some sort of insider ?

They do'nt have to, they already have much better RD variants to their disposal. 33mk the most talked about engine was developed back in 99-00.

That would be pushing the life of fhe engine, if it could do that safely; it is a wonder why Klimov has not pushed it for the remiander of the RD-33 variants its pushing??

 

[SQ8]

Kn is calculated with Ab.


For the engine, you should wait for official. I do not speculate.


They do'nt have to, they already have much better mk variants to their disposal. 33mk the most talked about engine was developed back in 99-00.

Thats pretty normal for aviation standards, the F-35 flies with software developed to 01-04 standards.

 

[messiach]

Jet planning & development is spread over decades. What we see today was planned at inception. This is known info amongst AeSP community. Nothing top secret here.

Messiach's information supercedes your information at this time. Thank you.

 

[MastanKhan]

Jet planning & development is spread over decades. What we see today was planned at inception. This is known info amongst AeSP community. Nothing top secret here.

Hi,

Most people tend to forget is that the life of an aircraft ranges from 20-50 years---and sometimes more---.

So---much planning goes into current options---but more so goes into what will be---in the future---10-15-25 years from now.

 

[messiach]

I do'nt have first hand info on F35 but my team worked on fwr for BD-500-1A11. The pre-processor routines were acquired from a previous redundancy from 1998. Similar is LTP in PW-4000, a longterm success story for P&W.

Thats pretty normal for aviation standards, the F-35 flies with software developed to 01-04 standards.

Yes. Fighter jet developement is the domain of AeSp engineers. RD PEM&RE was conceived >10 yrs ago. Nothing special.

Hi,

Most people tend to forget is that the life of an aircraft ranges from 20-50 years---and sometimes more---.

So---much planning goes into current options---but more so goes into what will be---in the future---10-15-25 years from now.

 

[raahaat7]

Basic turbine development runs in cycles and each cycle by experience runs over a decade at least. It depends what kind of turbine end-product you wish to pursue. Basic research cycle has a minimum turnover of a decade and still is a continuous cycle. FT cycle is atleast a minimum decade of development, D&D cycle is more or less a decade. Production runs and test turbines is another time consuming necessary event. This is the due process of law for turbines and it takes several decades averaging at-least three. All this effort of decades & you have a product which is yet to be test trialed on a fighter platform. If you look at chinese experience, you will see they have followed the due process of law, it has taken them three-four decade but they have come out with a finished product, culminating efforts of four decades of work. We on the other hand try to take short cuts.

we have to start from somewhere, rest will follow naturaly.

 

[Thunder.Storm]

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[sparten]

Looks like J-31 is a reality.

 

[razgriz19]

I do'nt have first hand info on F35 but my team worked on fwr for BD-500-1A11. The pre-processor routines were acquired from a previous redundancy from 1998. Similar is LTP in PW-4000, a longterm success story for P&W.


Yes. Fighter jet developement is the domain of AeSp engineers. RD PEM&RE was conceived >10 yrs ago. Nothing special.

So you work for Bombardier?

 

[messiach]

I did, not now.

So you work for Bombardier?

 

[Tempest II]

Someone here was dismissing speed.

http://alert5.com/2017/07/14/j-20-chief-designer-on-ooda-2-0/

J-20 chief designer on OODA 2.0
A seminar on future aerial warfare took place in Beijing, China on Jul. 3. Organized by Techxcope and Chinese Institute of Command and Control, one of the key speakers was the chief designer of Chengdu J-20, Yang Wei.


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Yang started his speech by saying that aerial fights undergo an important change in 1991 when kills were achieved not by dog fighting and the use of guns. O and O in the OODA loop has become more complex than just getting into an advantageous position with superior energy. One needs to consider the information provided by radar and electro-optical sensors.

He further questioned the need for supermaneuverability in platforms as dogfights seldom take place nowadays. Building supermaneuverability into an aircraft will incur penalties and Yang said there must be serious consideration into whether such investments is worth it.

He then went on to touch on the new OODA 2.0 concept proposed by Lockheed Martin’s Tod Schuck and the Air Force Research Lab’s Erik Blasch. Speed and maneuverability is outdated, according to him. Information is key to winning future fights. He agreed that the parameters proposed in OODA 2.0: communication channel capacity, information entropy, amount of messages sent, and the velocity of those messages are important factors and should be research upon.

Lastly, Yang proposed that China develop its OODA 3.0 concept by incorporating artificial intelligence (AI). The outcome of an aerial battle is not determined by the physical actions of the pilot but the ability of the human brain to make decisions quickly. Advances in AI will aid the war fighter in coming up with a decision in shorter amount of time.

 

[MastanKhan]

Someone here was dismissing speed.

http://alert5.com/2017/07/14/j-20-chief-designer-on-ooda-2-0/

Hi

" He then went on to touch on the new OODA 2.0 concept proposed by Lockheed Martin’s Tod Schuck and the Air Force Research Lab’s Erik Blasch. Speed and maneuverability is outdated, according to him. Information is key to winning future fights. He agreed that the parameters proposed in OODA 2.0: communication channel capacity, information entropy, amount of messages sent, and the velocity of those messages are important factors and should be research upon ".

 

[khanasifm]

http://katalog.unob.cz/konferencepvo/data/uploads/2014/prezentace/21_balwar.pdf

Indra alq400 and alq500 dcrm

Does not look poded jammer ???

 

[khanasifm]

 

[Bratva]

PL-10 & PL-15 has been operationalized on J-10C. It means, Chinese HMD has become reliable upto the point that they are comfortable testing it on J-10C and with PL-10. So Chinese HMD is becoming a reality day by day. Block-3 will come in 2019. Further enhancements in PL-10, PL-15 and Chinese HMD by then should make these 3 things default armament of Block 3 replacing PL-5, SD-10 A @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Bilal Khan 777